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Post by frienduff on May 1, 2022 20:11:43 GMT -5
They have long been at work to change christanity from within .
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2022 20:40:46 GMT -5
This is a must-see video, folks.
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2022 19:10:41 GMT -5
Yes indeed it is my friend .
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Post by watchful on May 5, 2022 6:50:02 GMT -5
Just a heads up that Billy Crone espouses OSAS. I dont' disagree with the main things he is talking about in this video, except I dont' agree with his insistence that everyone who falls away from sound doctrine or loses their faith were never believers to begin with. Believers can be led astray by false teaching or fall into sin, or they can receive Christ but have shallow roots.
I am not sure that where it says in 1 John 2 "they went out from us to show that they were not of us" is a principle to be applied to everyone everywhere but was specific to the situation that John was writing about. (I have even heard some say based on that verse that if you leave 'their' church you must be an antichrist and not saved, which is a false assumption.) 1 John 2:26 says he was writing about those who seduce the church, so it's referring to some who were inserting themselves as leaders or teachers and then didn't continue with the apostles and apostle's doctrine, but left to form their own fellowships with false doctrines. (Probably at that time they were Jewish men since it talks about them not being able to claim they have the Father when they don't have the Son.)
I even think it's worth considering whether there was a falling away in the early church after Paul departed this life, since he said grievous wolves would come in not sparing the flock after he departed...what is that but a falling away. (I believe wolves refers to false ones, or who would prove to be false in the end, full of ravenous fleshly ambition, exploiting the flock to serve their own kingdom building and desire to be top dog.)
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Post by frienduff on May 5, 2022 13:14:50 GMT -5
Just a heads up that Billy Crone espouses OSAS. I dont' disagree with the main things he is talking about in this video, except I dont' agree with his insistence that everyone who falls away from sound doctrine or loses their faith were never believers to begin with. Believers can be led astray by false teaching or fall into sin, or they can receive Christ but have shallow roots. I am not sure that where it says in 1 John 2 "they went out from us to show that they were not of us" is a principle to be applied to everyone everywhere but was specific to the situation that John was writing about. (I have even heard some say based on that verse that if you leave 'their' church you must be an antichrist and not saved, which is a false assumption.) 1 John 2:26 says he was writing about those who seduce the church, so it's referring to some who were inserting themselves as leaders or teachers and then didn't continue with the apostles and apostle's doctrine, but left to form their own fellowships with false doctrines. (Probably at that time they were Jewish men since it talks about them not being able to claim they have the Father when they don't have the Son.) I even think it's worth considering whether there was a falling away in the early church after Paul departed this life, since he said grievous wolves would come in not sparing the flock after he departed...what is that but a falling away. (I believe wolves refers to false ones, or who would prove to be false in the end, full of ravenous fleshly ambition, exploiting the flock to serve their own kingdom building and desire to be top dog.) Believers ought to always be warned and encouraged to STAY the COURSE IN CHRIST . If paul said so and others did too . THEN we should do the same . That is the problem with OSAS . ITS not that they say IF one came out HE was not truly of us . THAT WOULD BE TRUE . ITS by telling the Church you cant fall away no matter what you do . THAT Is my problem with OSAS . Cause every warning in the scripture , from JESUS to the apostels always included this saying , HE WHO ENDURES TO THE END . SO we have to make that point VERY CLEAR . That one indeed HAS to continue to the end . Telling a church no matter what you do You cant lose salvation , IS A BAD THING TO DO . What should be taught is , COME TO JESUS and CONTINUE IN HIM TO THE END . AND keep warning about the dangers of sin and etc . THERE Is a reason that those reminders were written . SO AS WE can learn and HEED THEM . Even JESUS warned to CONTINUE IN HIM . NOW in the end it is true . IF ONE DID come out from amongst us they were NEVER truly of us . EVEN JOHN said that . HOWEVER to then try and turn around and tell the church No matter what you do you just cant lose salvation or fall away . THAT was never taught . NOR SHOULD IT BE TODAY . IN the end those who truly knew HIM did endure . BUT THEY BELIEVED ALL the warnings JESUS GAVE and the aposetls gave . THEY TOOK HEED TO YE MUST CONTINUE TO THE END and etc . THEY TOOK heed to and believed the warnings . THEY didnt omit them , THEY BELIEVED THEM . AND OSAS often omits many warnings and makes the cliam YE JUST CANT FALL AWAY , LOSE salvation . THAT WAS NEVER TAUGHT . NOR AGAIN SHOULD IT BE EVER ONCE TAUGHT . INSTEAD , PREACH JESUS and ALL HIS REMINDERS , teach all the remindes of said apostels CAUSE ITS GOOD FOR OUR SOULS TO BOTH HEED the warnings and believe them and DO THEM .
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Post by frienduff on May 5, 2022 13:21:58 GMT -5
Just a heads up that Billy Crone espouses OSAS. I dont' disagree with the main things he is talking about in this video, except I dont' agree with his insistence that everyone who falls away from sound doctrine or loses their faith were never believers to begin with. Believers can be led astray by false teaching or fall into sin, or they can receive Christ but have shallow roots. I am not sure that where it says in 1 John 2 "they went out from us to show that they were not of us" is a principle to be applied to everyone everywhere but was specific to the situation that John was writing about. (I have even heard some say based on that verse that if you leave 'their' church you must be an antichrist and not saved, which is a false assumption.) 1 John 2:26 says he was writing about those who seduce the church, so it's referring to some who were inserting themselves as leaders or teachers and then didn't continue with the apostles and apostle's doctrine, but left to form their own fellowships with false doctrines. (Probably at that time they were Jewish men since it talks about them not being able to claim they have the Father when they don't have the Son.) I even think it's worth considering whether there was a falling away in the early church after Paul departed this life, since he said grievous wolves would come in not sparing the flock after he departed...what is that but a falling away. (I believe wolves refers to false ones, or who would prove to be false in the end, full of ravenous fleshly ambition, exploiting the flock to serve their own kingdom building and desire to be top dog.) They quoate a TRUTH IN JOHN but then turn around to use that in the text that no matter what one does they cannot lose salvation . JOHN never taught that . They should read down a bit farther in JOHN where HE says ABIDE IN HIM , IF what ye have learned shall abide IN YOU , THEN YOU SHALL CONTINUE IN HIM . WE GOTTA KEEP BELEIVING , WE GOT TO KEEP HOLD on the gospel . See OSAS omits what peter said too and what paul in hebrews and in romans even said . PAUL warned the very church at ROME . About both the goodness and serveriety of GOD and How the very church needed to BELIEVE THEM BOTH . Paul warned the church , that just like the jews who did not believe had been cast out of the TREE , SO WOULD THEY if they CONTINUED NOT IN HIS GOODNESS . SEE , the warnings are NECESSARY and must be heard and beleived . IT has a way of working in us the things which do persaude us to CONTINUE ONWARDS . WHEREAS OSAS makes the church in large GO RIGHT TO SLEEP . IF One believes no matter what they do they cannot lose salvation , GUESS what they gonna do or NOT DO . The thing is we have to teach ALL the doctrine as it is written . THE SPIRIT Knows how to keep us safe , CHRIST can keep us safe , Beleiving the doctrine can keep us safe . BUT omitting the warnings are very dangerous to do to the church . Just like many have omitted correction , omitted other things too . AND what was the result , THEIR CHURCHES TANKED . SO my advice remains the same . BELIEVE and HEED EVERY SINGLE WARNING to every promise .
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Post by frienduff on May 5, 2022 13:24:26 GMT -5
Even when i remind CONTINUE IN CHRIST TO THE END . MANY OSAS folks attack that as though i have no faith in the finished works of Christ . AND YET , it is they whose faith IS NOT IN CHRIST . I BELIEVE JESUS and I BELIEVE EVERY WARNING HE ALSO GAVE . AND HE DID remind , HE who endures to THE END the same shall be saved . SO if JESUS said it , WHY IS IT A LACK OF FAITH WHEN I SAY IT .
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