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Post by John on Jun 16, 2022 21:55:43 GMT -5
I often watch the program "Tiny Houses," because I find it interesting seeing how they are able to make use of very small spaces. The thing that I do not understand is what makes people pay so much for a home with 300 to 500 square feet of living space. I will see people pay upwards of $250,000 for a house that size, when they could get a much larger place for the same money or less. I thought the idea of tiny houses was to get them cheap.
In some cases, the price is about location, like at the beach or in the center of a city, which means they are paying for that more than the home, but even then, is it really worth that much? I saw a tiny home in Omaha going for 375,000. It was bigger than 500 square feet, more like 1000 square feet, but 375,000 for a house that size? I do not get it.
Do you have any thoughts about tiny homes? Do you like them? Do you think you could live in one? Would you pay that much for one?
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Post by watchful on Jun 17, 2022 6:04:08 GMT -5
The poor have always lived in tight spaces. Now the concept is being marketed as being trendy and righteous. The ones I've seen on TV are all portable and don't come with their own land, so they are very cheap compared with regular houses. Maybe the ones you are seeing are being built on land, and land is expensive, depending on location and amenities. If they aren't being built on land, I expect these tiny homes depreciate in value over time like cars do, rather than appreciate.
I wouldn't want to live in a space that tiny unless I were a hermit living alone, and never having to go out anywhere or host dinners and gatherings. Tiny homes are not very practical...everything needs space to store, from clothes to cooking pots to serving dishes, to winter coats and boots, to tools for repairing things and gardening implements etc. It's a fancy way to camp or good for young singles and students, but I doubt that most who buy them with the intention of living in them permanently will actually end up staying in them long unless they have to.
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Post by John on Jun 17, 2022 9:11:26 GMT -5
The poor have always lived in tight spaces. Now the concept is being marketed as being trendy and righteous. The ones I've seen on TV are all portable and don't come with their own land, so they are very cheap compared with regular houses. Maybe the ones you are seeing are being built on land, and land is expensive, depending on location and amenities. If they aren't being built on land, I expect these tiny homes depreciate in value over time like cars do, rather than appreciate. I wouldn't want to live in a space that tiny unless I were a hermit living alone, and never having to go out anywhere or host dinners and gatherings. Tiny homes are not very practical...everything needs space to store, from clothes to cooking pots to serving dishes, to winter coats and boots, to tools for repairing things and gardening implements etc. It's a fancy way to camp or good for young singles and students, but I doubt that most who buy them with the intention of living in them permanently will actually end up staying in them long unless they have to. The ones that were so expensive were a permanent structure on land. I have seen some that were built very small and even on wheels. People have even converted old school buses into homes. That is usually so they can move them because they like to travel. Some have converted utility buildings into a home and done it very cheap. That is about cost. What has surprised me is those willing to pay very high prices for tiny homes. The ones on land and built as a permanent structure do not seem to lose value, but the ones with no land or that are mobile do. It is not my preference either, but for someone with nothing, it makes sense as a starter home if you can build it having no debt.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 17, 2022 19:53:23 GMT -5
IN MY FATHERS HOUSE are many mansions . The lambs one day shall live forever with the LORD . To me that is great hope to look forward too . Now let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious LORD . Yes indeed my friends , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
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Post by John on Jun 17, 2022 21:08:13 GMT -5
IN MY FATHERS HOUSE are many mansions . The lambs one day shall live forever with the LORD . To me that is great hope to look forward too . Now let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious LORD . Yes indeed my friends , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . That is right. Even a tiny house would be wonderful there, but we will have a mansion if we endure faithful till the end.
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Post by watchful on Jun 18, 2022 6:23:54 GMT -5
The poor have always lived in tight spaces. Now the concept is being marketed as being trendy and righteous. The ones I've seen on TV are all portable and don't come with their own land, so they are very cheap compared with regular houses. Maybe the ones you are seeing are being built on land, and land is expensive, depending on location and amenities. If they aren't being built on land, I expect these tiny homes depreciate in value over time like cars do, rather than appreciate. I wouldn't want to live in a space that tiny unless I were a hermit living alone, and never having to go out anywhere or host dinners and gatherings. Tiny homes are not very practical...everything needs space to store, from clothes to cooking pots to serving dishes, to winter coats and boots, to tools for repairing things and gardening implements etc. It's a fancy way to camp or good for young singles and students, but I doubt that most who buy them with the intention of living in them permanently will actually end up staying in them long unless they have to. The ones that were so expensive were a permanent structure on land. I have seen some that were built very small and even on wheels. People have even converted old school buses into homes. That is usually so they can move them because they like to travel. Some have converted utility buildings into a home and done it very cheap. That is about cost. What has surprised me is those willing to pay very high prices for tiny homes. The ones on land and built as a permanent structure do not seem to lose value, but the ones with no land or that are mobile do. It is not my preference either, but for someone with nothing, it makes sense as a starter home if you can build it having no debt.
I'm guessing they're expensive because they are popular and trendy right now. The marketers have done their job well...marketeering, lol.
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Post by watchful on Jun 18, 2022 6:57:10 GMT -5
IN MY FATHERS HOUSE are many mansions . The lambs one day shall live forever with the LORD . To me that is great hope to look forward too . Now let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious LORD . Yes indeed my friends , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . Yes, thankfully we won't have practical things to deal with in heaven. In the meantime some of us do while we still live in these temporal tents of flesh, and God thankfully gives grace and wisdom for those practical challenges, while we look forward to receiving our new incorruptible and permanent 'dwelling'.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 18, 2022 12:24:49 GMT -5
IN MY FATHERS HOUSE are many mansions . The lambs one day shall live forever with the LORD . To me that is great hope to look forward too . Now let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious LORD . Yes indeed my friends , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED . That is right. Even a tiny house would be wonderful there, but we will have a mansion if we endure faithful till the end.
Now john they call ya a legalist if ya say we have to endure to the end . EVEN THOUGH JESUS DID , PAUL DID , PETER DID , THEY ALL DID . Thus WE SAY and REMIND As well . Here is a good reminder and its SPIRIT FILLED TOO . Behold therefore the goodness and severity of GOD . GOODNESS towards THEE , IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS otherwise you gonna be cast out , JUST LIKE the unbelieving jews were . WHEN it says cast out , IT MEANS OUT OF THE TREE . AND if one aint in that tree , THEY GOT ZERO HOPE . ZERO . For we are made partakers of Christ , IF , theres that pesky If word again , IF WE HOLD our confidence , IN HIM , steadfast unto THE END . I Do believe that said TO THE END . THUS we aint legalistic , THEY JUST PREACH A FALSE IDEA .
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Post by watchful on Jun 19, 2022 9:19:55 GMT -5
That is right. Even a tiny house would be wonderful there, but we will have a mansion if we endure faithful till the end.
Now john they call ya a legalist if ya say we have to endure to the end . EVEN THOUGH JESUS DID , PAUL DID , PETER DID , THEY ALL DID . Thus WE SAY and REMIND As well . Here is a good reminder and its SPIRIT FILLED TOO . Behold therefore the goodness and severity of GOD . GOODNESS towards THEE , IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS otherwise you gonna be cast out , JUST LIKE the unbelieving jews were . WHEN it says cast out , IT MEANS OUT OF THE TREE . AND if one aint in that tree , THEY GOT ZERO HOPE . ZERO . For we are made partakers of Christ , IF , theres that pesky If word again , IF WE HOLD our confidence , IN HIM , steadfast unto THE END . I Do believe that said TO THE END . THUS we aint legalistic , THEY JUST PREACH A FALSE IDEA . It's true that many do unfortunately neglect the warnings of scripture, which are for our good when delivered in a right spirit as part of the whole gospel. Well who am I brother, but I can see that there is a danger also in neglecting other aspects of truth. It's never right to only emphasize one aspect of the gospel at the expense of all the rest.....that's how denominations are formed. The WHOLE gospel needs to be preached, and there is something wrong if believers get to be afraid of words like grace, mercy, advocate, liberty, etc. The body of Christ needs a whole lot more than just to be warned, and there's more to the gospel than "sin not".
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Post by frienduff on Jun 20, 2022 20:23:10 GMT -5
Now john they call ya a legalist if ya say we have to endure to the end . EVEN THOUGH JESUS DID , PAUL DID , PETER DID , THEY ALL DID . Thus WE SAY and REMIND As well . Here is a good reminder and its SPIRIT FILLED TOO . Behold therefore the goodness and severity of GOD . GOODNESS towards THEE , IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS otherwise you gonna be cast out , JUST LIKE the unbelieving jews were . WHEN it says cast out , IT MEANS OUT OF THE TREE . AND if one aint in that tree , THEY GOT ZERO HOPE . ZERO . For we are made partakers of Christ , IF , theres that pesky If word again , IF WE HOLD our confidence , IN HIM , steadfast unto THE END . I Do believe that said TO THE END . THUS we aint legalistic , THEY JUST PREACH A FALSE IDEA . It's true that many do unfortunately neglect the warnings of scripture, which are for our good when delivered in a right spirit as part of the whole gospel. Well who am I brother, but I can see that there is a danger also in neglecting other aspects of truth. It's never right to only emphasize one aspect of the gospel at the expense of all the rest.....that's how denominations are formed. The WHOLE gospel needs to be preached, and there is something wrong if believers get to be afraid of words like grace, mercy, advocate, liberty, etc. The body of Christ needs a whole lot more than just to be warned, and there's more to the gospel than "sin not". G We must preach it all .
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Post by John on Jun 21, 2022 19:08:46 GMT -5
Now john they call ya a legalist if ya say we have to endure to the end . EVEN THOUGH JESUS DID , PAUL DID , PETER DID , THEY ALL DID . Thus WE SAY and REMIND As well . Here is a good reminder and its SPIRIT FILLED TOO . Behold therefore the goodness and severity of GOD . GOODNESS towards THEE , IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS otherwise you gonna be cast out , JUST LIKE the unbelieving jews were . WHEN it says cast out , IT MEANS OUT OF THE TREE . AND if one aint in that tree , THEY GOT ZERO HOPE . ZERO . For we are made partakers of Christ , IF , theres that pesky If word again , IF WE HOLD our confidence , IN HIM , steadfast unto THE END . I Do believe that said TO THE END . THUS we aint legalistic , THEY JUST PREACH A FALSE IDEA . It's true that many do unfortunately neglect the warnings of scripture, which are for our good when delivered in a right spirit as part of the whole gospel. Well who am I brother, but I can see that there is a danger also in neglecting other aspects of truth. It's never right to only emphasize one aspect of the gospel at the expense of all the rest.....that's how denominations are formed. The WHOLE gospel needs to be preached, and there is something wrong if believers get to be afraid of words like grace, mercy, advocate, liberty, etc. The body of Christ needs a whole lot more than just to be warned, and there's more to the gospel than "sin not". God made us all different and gave us a part to play in the body of Christ. I tend to focus on judgment, Frienduff on exhortations to endure till the end and stay away from the all inclusive movement, and others have their part. We need to preach the whole Word of God, but sometimes God uses several ministers to get the job done in a single congregation.
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Post by watchful on Jun 22, 2022 17:33:21 GMT -5
It's true that many do unfortunately neglect the warnings of scripture, which are for our good when delivered in a right spirit as part of the whole gospel. Well who am I brother, but I can see that there is a danger also in neglecting other aspects of truth. It's never right to only emphasize one aspect of the gospel at the expense of all the rest.....that's how denominations are formed. The WHOLE gospel needs to be preached, and there is something wrong if believers get to be afraid of words like grace, mercy, advocate, liberty, etc. The body of Christ needs a whole lot more than just to be warned, and there's more to the gospel than "sin not". God made us all different and gave us a part to play in the body of Christ. I tend to focus on judgment, Frienduff on exhortations to endure till the end and stay away from the all inclusive movement, and others have their part. We need to preach the whole Word of God, but sometimes God uses several ministers to get the job done in a single congregation.
It would have been so encouraging to be exhorted and reminded who and what we are to have our confidence in. I started to get excited to hear some more about that. The Lord has been kind and faithful to feed me but I'm still starving to hear others preach or talk about it, because you know, it's just encouraging and a blessing to hear the truth preached, and it's a very important topic, because when Peter was walking on water after Jesus, it was when he took his eyes off Jesus that he started to flounder and sink. And then...MERCY....Jesus reached out and took hold of him. Where would any of us be without His mercy......some people don't really realize that we need His mercy every minute of every day of our lives....otherwise why would we need Him to ever live to make intercession for us and why would we need His mercies to be new every morning? Well, scripture tells and shows us what prophets and pastors do. Prophets under the new covenant bring prophetic words of encouragement, comfort, exhortation and building up the flock. And yes, warning of all kinds of deceptions. Even the old covenant prophets always had words of comfort and hope though, in the midst of the most dire prophetic warnings....it was like they never closed the door on hope, otherwise that would have been a ministration of death. The door to repentance stays open until the end of time...repentance requires some measure of hope for forgiveness and restoration I believe....faith in God's mercy. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't know pastors had any other focus other than to care for and feed God's flock...I assumed a balanced diet! It's a well rounded gift I thought, so I don't understand what you mean about focusing on judgment. Or do you mean the judgment of the world in the end?
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Post by John on Jun 22, 2022 21:27:02 GMT -5
God made us all different and gave us a part to play in the body of Christ. I tend to focus on judgment, Frienduff on exhortations to endure till the end and stay away from the all inclusive movement, and others have their part. We need to preach the whole Word of God, but sometimes God uses several ministers to get the job done in a single congregation.
It would have been so encouraging to be exhorted and reminded who and what we are to have our confidence in. I started to get excited to hear some more about that. The Lord has been kind and faithful to feed me but I'm still starving to hear others preach or talk about it, because you know, it's just encouraging and a blessing to hear the truth preached, and it's a very important topic, because when Peter was walking on water after Jesus, it was when he took his eyes off Jesus that he started to flounder and sink. And then...MERCY....Jesus reached out and took hold of him. Where would any of us be without His mercy......some people don't really realize that we need His mercy every minute of every day of our lives....otherwise why would we need Him to ever live to make intercession for us and why would we need His mercies to be new every morning? Well, scripture tells and shows us what prophets and pastors do. Prophets under the new covenant bring prophetic words of encouragement, comfort, exhortation and building up the flock. And yes, warning of all kinds of deceptions. Even the old covenant prophets always had words of comfort and hope though, in the midst of the most dire prophetic warnings....it was like they never closed the door on hope, otherwise that would have been a ministration of death. The door to repentance stays open until the end of time...repentance requires some measure of hope for forgiveness and restoration I believe....faith in God's mercy. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't know pastors had any other focus other than to care for and feed God's flock...I assumed a balanced diet! It's a well rounded gift I thought, so I don't understand what you mean about focusing on judgment. Or do you mean the judgment of the world in the end? I mean warning of judgment to come upon those who do not endure till the end, as well as those who reject Jesus outright. I think you missed the main point I was making. We all have our part. I am not suggesting that we have messages that contradict each other, but you have a voice here. If you want to talk about Peter walking on the water till he took his eyes off of Jesus, nobody is stopping you. That story is part of the Bible. If you want to talk about God's mercy, like to Peter when he denied the Lord, God's speed, because that is truth. Narrow Way is a kind of congregation. I am wanting the whole counsel of the Word of God preached here. I do not want lies and spin, like some have brought, but if you want to bring truths from scripture you feel are being left out, maybe God wants you to bring it.
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Post by watchful on Jun 23, 2022 7:05:21 GMT -5
All I know is the same thing that keeps us faithful to the end is the same thing that saved us in the beginning. JESUS and His sheer mercy to the undeserving. Let us keep our confidence in HIM because the devil would try to pry our eyes off Him and onto ourselves, to cause us to fall from grace.
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Post by John on Jun 23, 2022 16:50:44 GMT -5
All I know is the same thing that keeps us faithful to the end is the same thing that saved us in the beginning. JESUS and His sheer mercy to the undeserving. Let us keep our confidence in HIM because the devil would try to pry our eyes off Him and onto ourselves, to cause us to fall from grace. Normally when I am having a disagreement with someone, I understand what the disagreement is about. You said that we should give the whole council of the Word of God, and I did not disagree with you. I just said that we all have our part, and God uses us in different ways. We should not be disagreeing, because the Word is the Word, but we may emphasize different parts of the Bible.
At times I feel like I am talking to an OSAS believe when I am talking to you, where at other times, you say the exact opposite. If you think that Frienduff or I am in some kind of error, it would be helpful to know what it is so we can try to figure things out. If not, as I said, you are a member here, and have the ability to discuss things like Peter walking on the water or anything in the Bible. We are all believers in the inerrancy of scripture. I cannot read minds, so if there is an issue, say what it is.
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