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Post by frienduff on Jul 26, 2018 9:39:07 GMT -5
As of late more and more are marching with gays , and claim to be christain and saying things like we owe the gay community an apology . Many are twisting and twisted more than ever , concepts of love gone wrong . Many are saying , as they hold high signs that support gay marriage or an all inclusive message , that we owe the world an apology . NOPE . GOD IS OWED the apology BY those who teach such things . I will not apologize and march with or support those who teach contrary doctrine. And we shall not apologize for doing that which HONORS a HOLY GOD , THE HOLY and ONLY GOD . The masses have been deceived and worse many churches have . All who have sold out to the all inclusive lie of unity gone wrong , their leaders FROM ROME and down NEED TO FIRST REPENT and APOLOGIZE to GOD . YES APOLOGIZE TO GOD I did SAY . The POPE and all this ermergent , peace , unity teachers , OWE GOD FIRST an apology . THEN they need to right the wrongs . Marching as one from nation to nation , state to state , city to city and house house , APLOGIZING to all for the cloud of deception they have taught and the wrongs they have done . MEN like that OWE GOD an serious APOLOGY and then the WORLD . BUT we , who speak truth , we who love what GODS Loves and hates the evil deeds which God hates, OWES no such apology to the world . And I will not apologize for calling the act of gay marriage an abomation . GOD SAID IT FIRST . I will not apologize for warning out that all fornicators , witches , gays , evil , covetousness , ARE in danger of hell fire and need to repent and follow the lamb. IF we have the SPIRIT , then what we do we love and what do we hate . WE LOVE the things GOD has said , WE hate the evil things spoken , taught and done which are contrary to HIM . We do all things by the power of HIS SPIRIT which HONORS THE SON , which HONORS the FATHER . And we do not forget that we were all once children of dakness doing all evil things . BUT we also must never forget , that to warn out against such things and POINT OT JESUS IS NOT WRONG EITHER . ITS HIGH TIME to armour up . The evil are not at rest , they are as waves of the ocean , foaming out their shame unto the world and churches . AND WE must not cease to warn against all such evil deeds and POINT ONLY TO CHRIST . ARMOUR UP , HELMETS ON , Breastplates , loins girded , feet prepared , RAISE THOSE SHIELDS and HAVE the swords at the ready . For the whore slumbers not , and those infected with her outward beauty rest not . THEY DO all to convert the entire world , its religions and make ready a mindset which worships and points to the beast . and all this will lead to the beast who is to come , and when it does , the whore and all who worship the beast , will as one come against the lambs worldwide . EVEN now it gets only worse . But we have all power IN CHRIST , in and by THE SPIRIT to overcome all evil . And though many die , THEY WILL NOT DIE For all who believe and follow Christ , have eternal life and the soul will not die . ONWARD into the trenches , the great hour of the end time final climax of it all, IS fast approaching .
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2018 9:57:23 GMT -5
This is a huge issue I've been trying to discuss with other Christians lately. We need to stop apologizing to this wicked world. We need to stop acting like second-class citizens. The apostles didn't apologize to anyone, and every cultural depravity around us today was there for them. They saw sexual perversion in society. They saw pagan temples and idol sacrifices. None of this is new. It's as wrong now as it was then, no apology necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 10:52:39 GMT -5
Brother....I hear what you are saying, but on the other hand I would say the church does owe the world (or rather the Lord) an apology, not for doctrine against sin, but often in the way it has failed to present the image of Christ to the world in how doctrine was presented. The Lord has a lot of anger at the church, particularly the shepherds of it. Once I was praying for the church and was suddenly filled with indignation against the false shepherds in the way they were preventing people from entering the kingdom. Religiosity, formality, self-righteousness.....the gospel is supposed to be good news to the POOR, it is to the SICK who are in need of a Physician that Jesus came....but the church has kept many lost souls OUT of the churches because they were little more than spiritual social clubs for the well-dressed....and nor did they go out to seek and save the lost and wounded sheep. Oh yes, I have apologized to people quite a few times for the way the church has been....and told them not to be put off Jesus because of how churches and church people can be. Even one time I was trying to comfort another believer who was upset because his church had judged/condemned and driven out a couple of prostitutes who had come there seeking. It broke my heart too, and I can tell you such things do anger the Lord.
So, I agree that we do not need to apologize for lifting up the standard of His word, just be sure we are presenting it in a right spirit....how Jesus would have, not condemning but saving. Remember who His indignation and condemnation was reserved for....not lost sinners, but the Pharisees of His own people.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 26, 2018 14:56:02 GMT -5
Brother....I hear what you are saying, but on the other hand I would say the church does owe the world (or rather the Lord) an apology, not for doctrine against sin, but often in the way it has failed to present the image of Christ to the world in how doctrine was presented. The Lord has a lot of anger at the church, particularly the shepherds of it. Once I was praying for the church and was suddenly filled with indignation against the false shepherds in the way they were preventing people from entering the kingdom. Religiosity, formality, self-righteousness.....the gospel is supposed to be good news to the POOR, it is to the SICK who are in need of a Physician that Jesus came....but the church has kept many lost souls OUT of the churches because they were little more than spiritual social clubs for the well-dressed....and nor did they go out to seek and save the lost and wounded sheep. Oh yes, I have apologized to people quite a few times for the way the church has been....and told them not to be put off Jesus because of how churches and church people can be. Even one time I was trying to comfort another believer who was upset because his church had judged/condemned and driven out a couple of prostitutes who had come there seeking. It broke my heart too, and I can tell you such things do anger the Lord. So, I agree that we do not need to apologize for lifting up the standard of His word, just be sure we are presenting it in a right spirit....how Jesus would have, not condemning but saving. Remember who His indignation and condemnation was reserved for....not lost sinners, but the Pharisees of His own people. ALL them false prophets do , they need to repent and apologize to GOD and to man for leading everyone astray. But true christains don't need to apologize for speaking truth . Let the false prophets stand up and apologize to the world . For an all inclusive lie , for pointing to men and not GOD . For accepting all manner of sin , AND USING HIS NAME to justify it . But we owe the world no apology whatsoever . We OWE GOD , CHRIST everything . and if we LOVE people then we ought to preach the gospel . We running out of time . And them circus shows need to cease with the funny biz of entertaining the crows and gathering all under a lie and lies. TIME to correct . Time to get up and warn out . We been taught for too long , OH lets not offend and the doctrines and sermons have become what PLEASES and tickles the ears . You know the one thing that most don't even consider any more . THEY SO busy worrying about Not offending anyone , BUT DONT CARE one ounce about the ONE THEY OUGHT NOT TO BE OFENDING . WHATEVER happened to PUT GOD FIRST . Enough with the old man dead mindsets . EVERY WORD out of our mouth and every thing we say , WE SHOULD SAY OH let it NOT OFFEND THE HOLY ONE OF ISRALE . Stead of worrying about offending men , lets just speak truth BY THE SPIRIT and lets not OFFEND THE CREATOR , who alone DESERVES ALL HONOR AND GLORY .
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Post by Cletus on Jul 26, 2018 14:58:19 GMT -5
I must be super blessed to live where i do because i hear about things like this on these forums and had no knowledge of these things happening before i read it. no one in my neck of the woods is discriminating homosexuals, no one is apologizing either. there are some homosexuals around here and there but they are far and few between. you got to go to the big cities before you start seeing gay night clubs. In large places of employment like factories and plants with 500 or so employees maybe a handful are homosexual. maybe only one or two. openly anyway. I am pretty good at spotting them without them saying so, I can just see it on them. even before i hear them speak or without watching mannerisms. but here it is, not all Christians owe homosexuals an apology. maybe a few Christians owe a select few or even one homosexual an apology but not everyone that's a christian does. I am not responsible for how someone else treated someone else. if this was true, then all homosexuals owe all christians apologies for what has been done to a few christians who were florists and bakers, as well as others. Do i owe all black people an apology because white people owned slaves? I never owned any slaves. and what about the white people who helped black folks get free? and i really hate to use the example of black people and white people because black folks actually do have a leg to stand on as far as civil rights. homosexuals do not because its not genetic, its no gay gene found and we have mapped the human genome. every study that proves being gay is hereditary and genetic cant be replicated in a lab, falsified data was used or manipulated and/or no controls were used in any of these scientific studies. the lie gay people are owed anything is not only false but a chip on their shoulder witch is wearing their feelings like a patch. Hitler made gay people wear pink arm bands with the star of david on it and gasses them too. How many christians have been gassing homosexuals? I dont see anyone mistreating homosexuals because they are homosexual. I even have a gay cousin. everyone else in the family is very against it. but no one is rude to him or whatever. Why do we even need to be disrespectful to them at all/in the least... its their soul, their life. their choice. I dont need to beat them in the head with the bible. The Book even says you cant beat sense into a fool. the truth is people dont want to hear they have to change or that thier choices will result in them suffering for all eternity in hell. the truth offends them. its not personal, but they want to make it personal because we tell them the truth. sadly, the truth is for all eternity it will echo in their minds... if i had only listened... if i had only repented i would not be here now. then they will know how those who told them the truth were trying to help them. if it comes across your path to speak it... its your duty to tell the truth, because God does love them. In ezekiel it speaks about a watchman on the wall. and if we do not blow the trumpet their blood is on our hands, but if we blow the trumpet their blood is on them and we have delivered our soul. thou shall not lie.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 26, 2018 15:11:19 GMT -5
Hey sister candance , I got a trivia quesotoin for us all. WHEN the desciples were like LORD did you know this saying OFFENDED THEM , What did JESUS say. A , OH DEAR we ought not to dothat , run now and bring them back and lets say this another way . B. Are you sure they were offended , OH , then lets go door to door and find out what don't offend and maybe that will cause them to want TO HEAR ME MORE . C. LET THEM BE , EVERY PLANT that MY FATHER has not planted shall be rooted up .
Question number two. When JESUS told the desciples to go into the streets of a city and preach the gospel and if they hear not , What was his orders . A . Okay tone it down some , Try saying I am love , try saying I am all inclusive and just beg beg beg them to come . B. IF they hear not , then try changing the gospel a lil more to suit their needs . C. shake the dust of your feet and move on . question number three. What did JOHN tell the church if anyone does not have this doctrine and comes to you . What should you do . A . Now try and understand church , that we all gods children , let them n your house , pray with them , If they get offended , maybe offer some coffee. B. Punch them in the head . C. IF one comes to you and brings not this doctrine , DONT EVEN LET THEM IN YA HOUSE , DONT EVEN BID them GOD SPEED lest he be partaker of their evil deeds . What did paul say if anyone , even an angel , try and change the gospel , try and bring another gospel . A. Well now that is how we will win souls , IF just are inclusive and have unity and don't worry about it , cause we all gods kids , lets just focus on good works and unity . B. Don't make a big deal out of it , just hug them a lot and focus on good works and don't try and change their mind . C. LET THEM BE ACCURSED .
And lastly . What Was JESUS main point concering world peace and unity . A. I CAME TO BRING ONE BIG WORLD TOGETHER , THAT YOU ALL MY CHILDREN , YA DADDYS KIDS , We all worship god in different ways So lets make UNITY the focus . B. I came to bring world peace and unity , so lets focus on good works and hugs and tell all you loved no matter what you do, You daddys kids . C. THINK I came to bring peace on earth , I SAY NAY , but rather division , for from now on a mans enemies shall be they of his own household .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 10:50:39 GMT -5
Brother....I hear what you are saying, but on the other hand I would say the church does owe the world (or rather the Lord) an apology, not for doctrine against sin, but often in the way it has failed to present the image of Christ to the world in how doctrine was presented. The Lord has a lot of anger at the church, particularly the shepherds of it. Once I was praying for the church and was suddenly filled with indignation against the false shepherds in the way they were preventing people from entering the kingdom. Religiosity, formality, self-righteousness.....the gospel is supposed to be good news to the POOR, it is to the SICK who are in need of a Physician that Jesus came....but the church has kept many lost souls OUT of the churches because they were little more than spiritual social clubs for the well-dressed....and nor did they go out to seek and save the lost and wounded sheep. Oh yes, I have apologized to people quite a few times for the way the church has been....and told them not to be put off Jesus because of how churches and church people can be. Even one time I was trying to comfort another believer who was upset because his church had judged/condemned and driven out a couple of prostitutes who had come there seeking. It broke my heart too, and I can tell you such things do anger the Lord. So, I agree that we do not need to apologize for lifting up the standard of His word, just be sure we are presenting it in a right spirit....how Jesus would have, not condemning but saving. Remember who His indignation and condemnation was reserved for....not lost sinners, but the Pharisees of His own people. ALL them false prophets do , they need to repent and apologize to GOD and to man for leading everyone astray. But true christains don't need to apologize for speaking truth . Let the false prophets stand up and apologize to the world . For an all inclusive lie , for pointing to men and not GOD . For accepting all manner of sin , AND USING HIS NAME to justify it . But we owe the world no apology whatsoever . We OWE GOD , CHRIST everything . and if we LOVE people then we ought to preach the gospel . We running out of time . And them circus shows need to cease with the funny biz of entertaining the crows and gathering all under a lie and lies. TIME to correct . Time to get up and warn out . We been taught for too long , OH lets not offend and the doctrines and sermons have become what PLEASES and tickles the ears . You know the one thing that most don't even consider any more . THEY SO busy worrying about Not offending anyone , BUT DONT CARE one ounce about the ONE THEY OUGHT NOT TO BE OFENDING . WHATEVER happened to PUT GOD FIRST . Enough with the old man dead mindsets . EVERY WORD out of our mouth and every thing we say , WE SHOULD SAY OH let it NOT OFFEND THE HOLY ONE OF ISRALE . Stead of worrying about offending men , lets just speak truth BY THE SPIRIT and lets not OFFEND THE CREATOR , who alone DESERVES ALL HONOR AND GLORY .
I agree brother, as long as we don't err by swinging the pendulum too far the other way. The gospel is the same for every type of sinner. Jesus ate and drank with sinners while He wooed them to the gospel and washed them with the washing of His word.....He didn't condemn them for their sin, He came to save them from it, and left all judgment in the Father's hands. So as long as we are not condemning homosexuals and don't intend to hit them over the head with the gospel, then I agree. Many homosexuals feel condemned already, in spite of their outward bravado of 'pride'....which is often just a cover and defiance against their own feelings of worthlessness. That said, we are not to be friends with the world in order to win the world, no. We are to beckon souls to come to another kingdom, which belongs to Christ the King. But I believe we are to show the same compassion and love and mercy of Christ to that lost world, that we ourselves received.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 27, 2018 11:14:46 GMT -5
SISTER the answers were all C as in CHRIST JESUS SET THE EXAMPLE . every answer was C. as in OH let us SEE the TRUTH IN JESUS and live and love it . NOW throw those hands up and praise the LORD . the answer to every question was the letter C.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 27, 2018 12:44:29 GMT -5
The strategy of tip-toeing around sin lest we condemn people hasn't worked out too well for us. Divorce and single parenthood are normalized now, to the point that Christians have all but forfeited divorce as a sin. Divorced people no longer feel any shame or condemnation. Single mothers no longer feel remorse. It's normal to wear tank tops and shorts to church service, and anyone who complains about it is a prude.
We are rapidly approaching the day when those in the gay lifestyle will be totally numb to any kind of shame or condemnation -- and it will be the fault of Christians who were terrified of being mean to them.
Those sinners did not invite Jesus to their homes because He was such a nice young man. It's because He was raising their children from the dead. He was feeding them with food that came from nowhere, casting out demons, and sticking it to the bureaucrats who made their lives miserable.
So instead of begging wicked people to believe that we love them, what if we invested more energy in each other, manifested the power of the gospel, starting seeing more healings and miracles, and brought Holy Spirit conviction on sinners?
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Post by Cletus on Jul 27, 2018 12:46:46 GMT -5
and Adam said.... its that woman you put here with me!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 7:58:34 GMT -5
The strategy of tip-toeing around sin lest we condemn people hasn't worked out too well for us. Divorce and single parenthood are normalized now, to the point that Christians have all but forfeited divorce as a sin. Divorced people no longer feel any shame or condemnation. Single mothers no longer feel remorse. It's normal to wear tank tops and shorts to church service, and anyone who complains about it is a prude. We are rapidly approaching the day when those in the gay lifestyle will be totally numb to any kind of shame or condemnation -- and it will be the fault of Christians who were terrified of being mean to them. Those sinners did not invite Jesus to their homes because He was such a nice young man. It's because He was raising their children from the dead. He was feeding them with food that came from nowhere, casting out demons, and sticking it to the bureaucrats who made their lives miserable. So instead of begging wicked people to believe that we love them, what if we invested more energy in each other, manifested the power of the gospel, starting seeing more healings and miracles, and brought Holy Spirit conviction on sinners? I think they invited Him because of His love and mercy, when everyone else around them were treating them like scum and outcasts as if they were lepers. We need to be very careful we don't let our gospel become a push-back against error or taking pride in our stance. Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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Post by justinadams on Jul 28, 2018 8:16:45 GMT -5
The age of the apology is upon us. If you read Animal Farm you will note the 'confessions'.
Fake everything is just like those face-saving apologies. They are quite meaningless really and an attempt to feel justified somehow. People have been known to admit the most horrendous (and untrue) acts so they will be punished and therefore expunged of sin in some way. A lie of Ha-Satan and his many followers.
Personal responsibility has be eclipsed by psycho-heresy. It is a sad ditch that many have fallen into.
The world follows Jung and Freud et al. No wonder they feel the irrational compunction to apologize.
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Post by frienduff on Jul 28, 2018 8:22:27 GMT -5
They invited HIM because they wanted to hear what He had to say . ONLY the Father can draw one to the Son . I think THIS is what we must also not forget . Folks have pandered and changed the gospel to be more inclusive , more flesh , to try and catch fish . But this is not how true fish are caught . We are to be kind, but to never compromise anything . If we examine JESUS in the bible . Just observe HOW HE WAS . Jesus sought the lost sheep . But not the way Seeker friendly or the all inclusive Do . its all compromise , but then we know the one behind that agenda is not about winning souls , he is about deceiving souls . I honestly do not think anyone here , IS MEAN to people . I Don't think sister Candace when she sees a sinner , RUNS UP and starts yelling or slapping . NONE OF US DO . None of us yell at anyone . If the early church was big on constant reminders , good examples and bad examples , promises of GOD and fear of GOD . Good ness of GOD and severity of GOD . then we must be too . My simple advice is don't worry about what to say . GOD will always give us a mouth . And that We here , already BELEIVE IN CHRIST so we going to be going into greater depth towards one another on exhorting to avoid evil doctrines and keep the pattern OF CHRIST in all things . We getting so close to the end , so we must be on guard against a sensual love , AND HAVE THE TRUE LOVE of GOD . HERE is what Our heart should desire , repentance , that folks repent and come to Christ . OUR HEARTS desire SHOULD BE THIS , WHAT PLEASES THE LORD and saving souls , correcting warning and encouraging .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jul 28, 2018 8:48:24 GMT -5
I think they invited Him because of His love and mercy... Probably they were of His sheep.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." - John 10:27
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." - Matthew 11:28-30
Truth and love. His sheep love Him.
"Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost." - Matthew 18:10-11
"I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own." - John 10:14
"And when Jesus came to the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, “Zacchaeus, make haste and come down, for today I must stay at your house.”" - Luke 19
"Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.”" - Luke 19:8
"And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”" - Luke 19:9-10
"Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish." - Matthew 18:14
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 28, 2018 10:30:29 GMT -5
This is a very good description of the modern Christian church...
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