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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 7:26:16 GMT -5
Let no one deceive you with religious appearances or persuasive words. We must remember and hold to what God's word says, lest we be swayed from the truth by those who say and believe otherwise:
The Bible Says:
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)
"Whoever hates Me (Jesus) hates My Father also." (John 15:23)
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:8)
Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. (Romans 8:9)
No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:23)
"Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." (John 5:23)
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. (John 3:36)
The true worshipers of God must worship Him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23,24
The church is the circumcision that God recognizes, and the Israel of God, not natural Israel. John 8:39-47. Romans 2:28,29; 9:6-8. Philippians 3:3. Colossians 2:11-13. Galatians 6:15-17.
God is, and always has been, ONE: One God, three Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are equal in deity. All the same God: Not three gods. Genesis 1:26,27 ("our image", "our likeness" = "His image"). Mark 12:29. John 1:1-3; 10:35-38. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Ephesians 4:4,5. Colossians 1:15-19. 1 John 5:20.
"I (Jesus) am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 25, 2018 7:32:53 GMT -5
Amen. Jesus' words are not negotiable. They are not the words of another man, but the words of God.
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Post by John on Apr 25, 2018 8:18:18 GMT -5
I don't think we disagree, but the true circumcision and those God recognizes as Israel today are the natural Jews who accepted Jesus and those of the gentile nations that are adopted into God's family through accepting Jesus as their Savior and Lord.
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 9:37:13 GMT -5
I don't think we disagree, but the true circumcision and those God recognizes as Israel today are the natural Jews who accepted Jesus and those of the gentile nations that are adopted into God's family through accepting Jesus as their Savior and Lord. Yes.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 11:06:28 GMT -5
Let no one deceive you with religious appearances or persuasive words. We must remember and hold to what God's word says, lest we be swayed from the truth by those who say and believe otherwise:
The Bible Says:
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (Hebrews 13:8) "Whoever hates Me (Jesus) hates My Father also." (John 15:23) Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:8) Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. (Romans 8:9) No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:23) "Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." (John 5:23) Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. (John 3:36) The true worshipers of God must worship Him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23,24 The church is the circumcision that God recognizes, and the Israel of God, not natural Israel.
John 8:39-47. Romans 2:28,29; 9:6-8. Philippians 3:3. Colossians 2:11-13. Galatians 6:15-17. God is, and always has been, ONE: One God, three Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are equal in deity. All the same God: Not three gods. Genesis 1:26,27 (" our image", " our likeness" = " His image"). Mark 12:29. John 1:1-3; 10:35-38. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Ephesians 4:4,5. Colossians 1:15-19. 1 John 5:20. "I (Jesus) am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 11:13:00 GMT -5
Onward through the trenches sister . We must put on the whole armour of GOD. and I truly warn us all , a massive delusion is on the rise . We must more than we ever have before, flood places with JESUS and HIS sayings and be edified in Truth. For a delusion so dark and sinister is on the rise and highly deceptive it is , for it uses words like love peace freedom unity tolerance all inclusive . The enemys delusion will fill the minds of those who are not in the lambs book of life and then in the last hour those words he spoon fed mankind with , will lead to one final hour upmost end time great tribulation against the LAMB and those who are of the lamb will be hunted . the mark is at the door , the largest one mind one heart evil mindset is rising up to come against the true lambs. The more the dangerous ones keep doing evil works , the more the world and religions will use the bad examples to come against ANY fundamental mindset , WHICH MEANS the JESUS ONLY camp will be hunted . the more evil increases, the more the dark one will use it , to try and make the lambs look dangerous too. This cant be stopped sister . We must be prepared to lose all and even die for the LORD . we must remember to forgive as we have been forgiven and we must rememeber to never conform to their mindset but expose the dark deeds . a time of great darkness is building to lead the world to armegeddon to lead the world under the mindset which will say the solution for world peace IS to rid those who did not conform to THIER UNIVERSAL ONE RELIGIN .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 11:14:48 GMT -5
Amen. Jesus' words are not negotiable. They are not the words of another man, but the words of God.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -5
Let that be heard the world round . And even as the blade begins to fall upon the neck of the true lambs let the last words be JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY and HE and HIS SAYINGS are the ONLY FOUNDATION .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 11:24:13 GMT -5
Their is something else building and its tied right into the end time delusion . And many who exalt the jew , the FLESH are going to fall for it . WHERE do we really think THIS whole one world mindset religion is going to sit. I TELL us all its capital will be IN JERSUALEM And many who believe the jews are gods children , EVEN those who do not follow the lamb, they will be deceived big time . For the son of perdition himself will also stand in the city of jerusalme . its where this whole one world mindset , all inclusive religion WILL be centered . Rome already has entered into negotiations . and the natural jews are selling out . in fact both unbelieving jews and gentiles are buying more than ever into the lie , and this will increase . We are truly seeing the beginning of the end , of the final hour , of all things that were long ago foretold . When does the son of perdtion rise . TWO KEY things we find IN DANIEL. and before I say this , LOOK at this world , LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW . Okay. it says in the latter times of their kingdoms WHEN the TRANSGRESSORS have come to the FULL, THEN stands this dark king and HOW does he destroy . THROUGH PEACE . transgressions , transgressors are fast coming to the full world wide , and at the same time the CONCEPT OF WORLD PEACE PEACE PEACE is being sold to all peoples religions and tribes . WHO WE THINK is about to stand . OH and on that note What else does the dark king do. DIVIDES the land for gain. DIVIDES , DIVIDES . correct me if I am wrong BUT what are they wanting to do to JERSUALEM FOR WORLD PEACE.............DIVIDE IT , DIVIDE IT < DIVIDE IT . our final hour IS SO CLOSE . they have the mark tech ready too. I MEAN ITS AT THE DOOR . and fewer and fewer see this and more and more are going under a dark delusion FOR WORLD PEACE so they will HEED this one who comes by PEACE and destroys many. I MEAN IT RIGHT at the DOOR .
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 13:14:27 GMT -5
Their is something else building and its tied right into the end time delusion . And many who exalt the jew , the FLESH are going to fall for it . WHERE do we really think THIS whole one world mindset religion is going to sit. I TELL us all its capital will be IN JERSUALEM And many who believe the jews are gods children , EVEN those who do not follow the lamb, they will be deceived big time . For the son of perdition himself will also stand in the city of jerusalme . its where this whole one world mindset , all inclusive religion WILL be centered . Rome already has entered into negotiations . and the natural jews are selling out . in fact both unbelieving jews and gentiles are buying more than ever into the lie , and this will increase . We are truly seeing the beginning of the end , of the final hour , of all things that were long ago foretold . When does the son of perdtion rise . TWO KEY things we find IN DANIEL. and before I say this , LOOK at this world , LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW . Okay. it says in the latter times of their kingdoms WHEN the TRANSGRESSORS have come to the FULL, THEN stands this dark king and HOW does he destroy . THROUGH PEACE . transgressions , transgressors are fast coming to the full world wide , and at the same time the CONCEPT OF WORLD PEACE PEACE PEACE is being sold to all peoples religions and tribes . WHO WE THINK is about to stand . OH and on that note What else does the dark king do. DIVIDES the land for gain. DIVIDES , DIVIDES . correct me if I am wrong BUT what are they wanting to do to JERSUALEM FOR WORLD PEACE.............DIVIDE IT , DIVIDE IT < DIVIDE IT . our final hour IS SO CLOSE . they have the mark tech ready too. I MEAN ITS AT THE DOOR . and fewer and fewer see this and more and more are going under a dark delusion FOR WORLD PEACE so they will HEED this one who comes by PEACE and destroys many. I MEAN IT RIGHT at the DOOR . The spirit of antichrist is indeed at work in the world right now, preparing the world to receive him. And persuasions of demons abound. We must remember the prophetic Scriptures, and hold fast to the word of God, and to the one true faith, which was delivered perfect once for all to the saints, and not let it go, as so many are choosing to do, embracing heresies of this kind and that which sound nice and get them the praise of men. But it is the praise of God that we are to seek, and not man's. For all men will have to give an account to God; and what will the praise of Godless men who are bound for the lake of fire benefit a Christian? Seeking it will only lead the Christian astray from the truth. And unfortunately, the praise of Jews in particular has a LOT of weight with many Christians. And it should not. Unsaved Jews are no more righteous than unsaved Gentiles, and they need Jesus just as much as everyone else. The praise of all things Jewish is nothing more than a demonic persuasion of the spirit of antichrist, preparing the world for the worship of the Jewish antichrist. Christianity is the perfection of Judaism, not the other way around. Jews who come to Christ may be Jewish by birth, but in religion they should be Christians, keeping the law of Christ according to the teachings of the New Testament (ONE law for both Jews and non Jews, NOT TWO), and not Judaism, which is only for unsaved Jews now, and is a dead and futile religion, from whose prescriptions those Jews who put their faith in Jesus Christ are set free. Judaism cannot save. Judaism does not have God (nor will it ever again). And pride in being Jewish---and divisions---are of the flesh, and not of the Spirit. Remember the New Testament. (You should hear the things people of "Messianic Judaism" ilk have to say about the apostle Paul. Beware of people like these, I warn you. Pious they may seem, but their teachings are heretical, and what comes out of their hearts exposes them. Do not be misled by them. And don't you know that if I were to dare to post this on Worthy Chat there would be proverbial hell to pay?) 2 Corinthians 3:7-13 (And the whole book of Hebrews.)
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Post by John on Apr 25, 2018 13:49:03 GMT -5
At other places, you would be seen as a Jew hater. So long as everyone understands all Jews weren't cut off and replaced by the gentiles, I have no issue with saying Judaism can't save, and the true Israel are followers of Christ. The land of Israel is the inheritance of all Christians, of natural Israel and by adoption. We who were gentiles should defend the nation of Israel as we have a portion there too. We are adopted sons and daughters, and a legally adopted child is an heir. That is why the anti-Zionist movement is as bad as promoting Judaism. There is only one body and one way to be part of it. The way to the Father is through Jesus his Son. There is no other way to be saved.
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 14:35:53 GMT -5
At other places, you would be seen as a Jew hater. So long as everyone understands all Jews weren't cut off and replaced by the gentiles, I have no issue with saying Judaism can't save, and the true Israel are followers of Christ. The land of Israel is the inheritance of all Christians, of natural Israel and by adoption. We who were gentiles should defend the nation of Israel as we have a portion there too. We are adopted sons and daughters, and a legally adopted child is an heir. That is why the anti-Zionist movement is as bad as promoting Judaism. There is only one body and one way to be part of it. The way to the Father is through Jesus his Son. There is no other way to be saved. God's promises to the Jewish people still pertain to His elect among the Jews as they always have, but not to the Jewish people as a whole. Most Jews are not of God's elect, just as most Gentiles are not. I am not a Zionist, because the earthly land of Israel is no longer the inheritance of the Jews. They will return to their land when they return to God through faith in Jesus, in whom is the reality of what the land of Israel represented---our eternal inheritance of the new heavens and the new earth. That is the land to which true Israel will return, not the earthly land of Israel. Zionism and the establishment of the state of Israel was just preparation for the antichrist's kingdom. That's why God allowed Israel to come into existence, according to His eternal plan to bring all things to an end, and not because He was blessing them and returning them to their land, as some mistakenly believe. I am not a Zionist, nor do I believe that Zionism has anything whatsoever to do with Christianity (it doesn't), unless it's bringing unsaved Jews into true Zion---the heavenly Jerusalem. Nor am I in any way an antisemite. I do not despise the Jewish people, nor do I exalt them. God's chosen people are His elect, whether they are Jews or Gentiles; and His non-elect are in no way blessed, but rather accursed.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 14:57:41 GMT -5
At other places, you would be seen as a Jew hater. So long as everyone understands all Jews weren't cut off and replaced by the gentiles, I have no issue with saying Judaism can't save, and the true Israel are followers of Christ. The land of Israel is the inheritance of all Christians, of natural Israel and by adoption. We who were gentiles should defend the nation of Israel as we have a portion there too. We are adopted sons and daughters, and a legally adopted child is an heir. That is why the anti-Zionist movement is as bad as promoting Judaism. There is only one body and one way to be part of it. The way to the Father is through Jesus his Son. There is no other way to be saved. God's promises to the Jewish people still pertain to His elect among the Jews as they always have, but not to the Jewish people as a whole. Most Jews are not of God's elect, just as most Gentiles are not. I am not a Zionist, because the earthly land of Israel is no longer the inheritance of the Jews. They will return to their land when they return to God through faith in Jesus, in whom is the reality of what the land of Israel represented---our eternal inheritance of the new heavens and the new earth. That is the land to which true Israel will return, not the earthly land of Israel. Zionism and the establishment of the state of Israel was just preparation for the antichrist's kingdom. That's why God allowed Israel to come into existence, according to His eternal plan to bring all things to an end, and not because He was blessing them and returning them to their land, as some mistakenly believe. I am not a Zionist, nor do I believe that Zionism has anything whatsoever to do with Christianity (it doesn't), unless it's bringing unsaved Jews into true Zion---the heavenly Jerusalem. Nor am I in any way an antisemite. I do not despise the Jewish people, nor do I exalt them. God's chosen people are His elect, whether they are Jews or Gentiles; and His non-elect are in no way blessed, but rather accursed.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 25, 2018 15:11:04 GMT -5
Torah says what sister lights is saying . I will cut out of the land anything that offends , the abominations and a lie . Torah , bible , points to JESUS , it always has . No where in torah did it ever mention all men are saved . And torah was written to the JEWS first . And torah stated that only a remenant ,the elect , those in THE MESSIAH , the coming savoir , the one MOSES and the prophets pointed too, are saved . Not all Israel IS of TRUE ISRAEL. not all jews were always the elect , Just as not all gentiles are of the elect . THE ELECT that paul speaks , torah speaks of , the prophets and the law points to , ARE THOSE IN CHIRST PEROID . And every apostel knew that . peter told the jews , he told Israel , WHAT THEY HAD TO DO . REPENT and BELEIVE in the ONE WHOM GOD DID SEND IN THE ONLY NAME under heaven whereby anyone whether jew or gentile can be saved . THESE are the elect . TORAH points to no other plan of salvation. IN Abraham the gospel was preached , IN THY SEE which is CHRIST , shall all nations be blessed. IT POINTS TO the WORK OF GOD that no man can do or earn. ANYONE who even considers one ounce contrary to this is being MISLED. SISTER YOU SPOT ON RIGHT . NOW LETS GO WIN THEM SOULS TO JESUS . belive me , we will be hated on many sites and in the world and worse as time goes on CAUSE we wont be backing down . AND THIS is not AN ALL INCLUSVIE MESSAGE , its a JESUS ONLY SAVES MESSAGE and in time it will be hated and worse by even many who claimed to be of Christ . A massive delusion of many legs is infiltratring all denominations , all faiths , all religions both secular and all, ITS A MONSTER , SOUND THE ALARM the weapon has been spotted , SOUND THE TRUMPET those who are on the wall SOUND the alarm , and now a word . if any watchman sees the sword approaching and warns not , then THEY will be held accountable for the blood of all men. SOUND the alarm my peoples , we must sound the alarm against the all inclusive madhouse entering and that has entered many chuches , many religions the media , govts , kings from top to bottom and bottom to top this thing is going viral . SOUND the alarm that ONLY JESUS saves SOUND the alarm that he is no minister of sin , SOUND the alarm the darkest hour ever to be is on the horizon . Sound the alarm and ready the peoples , for many will be killed , betrayed , persecuted , seen as monsters of society as haters of love , as haters of unity as haters of the world , BUT marvel not , THE WORLD and those JESUS came for saw him as being of satan and evil , AND ITS GOING to see us just the same . THE END of all things is approaching , the final hour is approaching, the greatest tribulation is approaching and we cannot be taken by the webs of its deceit . FORWARD , MARCH SOLIDERS Of the LORD , MOUNT UP our betrayer is nigh to stand and the hour of our betrayal does approach . SLEEP not , slumber not , pray that ye enter not into temptation , ITS A MONSTER DELUSOIN and nothing will stop it , it will lead to death of a number so high it cannot be numbered by man . SOUND THE ALARM to all , AND FOLLOW THE GREAT SHEPARD OF THE SHEEP . and whether we live or die , WE THE LORDS and our end is good .
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Post by John on Apr 25, 2018 15:11:32 GMT -5
The purpose for God bringing the Jews back to the land of promise is to bring about Bible prophecy that many will come to know the Lord during the tribulation period. They are not God's people based on DNA.
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