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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 16:14:44 GMT -5
Torah says what sister lights is saying . I will cut out of the land anything that offends , the abominations and a lie . Torah , bible , points to JESUS , it always has . No where in torah did it ever mention all men are saved . And torah was written to the JEWS first . And torah stated that only a remenant ,the elect , those in THE MESSIAH , the coming savoir , the one MOSES and the prophets pointed too, are saved . Not all Israel IS of TRUE ISRAEL. not all jews were always the elect , Just as not all gentiles are of the elect . THE ELECT that paul speaks , torah speaks of , the prophets and the law points to , ARE THOSE IN CHIRST PEROID . And every apostel knew that . peter told the jews , he told Israel , WHAT THEY HAD TO DO . REPENT and BELEIVE in the ONE WHOM GOD DID SEND IN THE ONLY NAME under heaven whereby anyone whether jew or gentile can be saved . THESE are the elect . TORAH points to no other plan of salvation. IN Abraham the gospel was preached , IN THY SEE which is CHRIST , shall all nations be blessed. IT POINTS TO the WORK OF GOD that no man can do or earn. ANYONE who even considers one ounce contrary to this is being MISLED. SISTER YOU SPOT ON RIGHT . NOW LETS GO WIN THEM SOULS TO JESUS . belive me , we will be hated on many sites and in the world and worse as time goes on CAUSE we wont be backing down . AND THIS is not AN ALL INCLUSVIE MESSAGE , its a JESUS ONLY SAVES MESSAGE and in time it will be hated and worse by even many who claimed to be of Christ . A massive delusion of many legs is infiltratring all denominations , all faiths , all religions both secular and all, ITS A MONSTER , SOUND THE ALARM the weapon has been spotted , SOUND THE TRUMPET those who are on the wall SOUND the alarm , and now a word . if any watchman sees the sword approaching and warns not , then THEY will be held accountable for the blood of all men. SOUND the alarm my peoples , we must sound the alarm against the all inclusive madhouse entering and that has entered many chuches , many religions the media , govts , kings from top to bottom and bottom to top this thing is going viral . SOUND the alarm that ONLY JESUS saves SOUND the alarm that he is no minister of sin , SOUND the alarm the darkest hour ever to be is on the horizon . Sound the alarm and ready the peoples , for many will be killed , betrayed , persecuted , seen as monsters of society as haters of love , as haters of unity as haters of the world , BUT marvel not , THE WORLD and those JESUS came for saw him as being of satan and evil , AND ITS GOING to see us just the same . THE END of all things is approaching , the final hour is approaching, the greatest tribulation is approaching and we cannot be taken by the webs of its deceit . FORWARD , MARCH SOLIDERS Of the LORD , MOUNT UP our betrayer is nigh to stand and the hour of our betrayal does approach . SLEEP not , slumber not , pray that ye enter not into temptation , ITS A MONSTER DELUSOIN and nothing will stop it , it will lead to death of a number so high it cannot be numbered by man . SOUND THE ALARM to all , AND FOLLOW THE GREAT SHEPARD OF THE SHEEP . and whether we live or die , WE THE LORDS and our end is good . Amen.
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 25, 2018 16:46:29 GMT -5
The purpose for God bringing the Jews back to the land of promise is to bring about Bible prophecy that many will come to know the Lord during the tribulation period. They are not God's people based on DNA. Indeed He will save a last days remnant of the Jews at the beginning or just before the start of the tribulation (144,000 men), after the last of His elect among the Gentiles have been saved. And of course, there have been Jews being saved even up to now. (They have been partially hardened, not entirely.) Once the last Gentile is saved, and the 144,000 Jews have been saved, there won't be any more lost sheep left to be found. The rest will be goats (non-elect, tares, vessels of wrath, sons of the devil, etc.) When the judgments of God begin to fall on the earth, you can know that there are no more people left to be saved. The last people to be saved---the 144,000---will be sealed (saved) before the judgments of God begin to occur (see Revelation 7:1-3). These saved Jews (Christians) will be supernaturally protected by God in a pre-appointed location in the wilderness of Israel, near Megiddo (the plain where the battle of Armageddon is going to take place) for the duration of the Tribulation, while the antichrist is persecuting the rest of the saints. I do believe that these men will be saved in the land of Israel in a single day (like those 3,000 souls were saved on the day of Pentecost); so in that sense the establishment of the state of Israel plays a part in the fulfillment of prophesy regarding the return of the people of Israel to God, and of God to them, in the last days. But for the majority of the Jewish people, the establishment of the state of Israel was to fulfill the prophecies about the antichrist's kingdom, over which they will rejoice, worshiping him along with all the rest of the non-elect whose names are not in the Lamb's book of life from before the foundation of the world. The antichrist will fulfill the Messianic prophecies of the OT (or Torah) in the minds of the non-elect Jews. Unfortunately, Jerusalem's glory during the tribulation will be not from God but from Satan. The glory of God will never return to earthly Jerusalem. It is destined for destruction.
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Post by John on Apr 25, 2018 17:01:09 GMT -5
Where do you believe Jesus will rule from during the millennial reign? Revelation indicates New Jerusalem comes down after the millennial reign ends. Do you believe he rules from the city of Jerusalem on earth or New Jerusalem from the heavens?
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Post by tlsitd on Apr 26, 2018 7:51:54 GMT -5
Where do you believe Jesus will rule from during the millennial reign? Revelation indicates New Jerusalem comes down after the millennial reign ends. Do you believe he rules from the city of Jerusalem on earth or New Jerusalem from the heavens? The thousand year reign of Christ and the saints is a subject of much debate and confusion among Christians, and the misunderstanding of this apparent enigma---and trying to fit it into the prophetic timeline of the last days here or there---is one of the reasons why many are confused about other end-time events, because they're trying to fit the thousand years in where they don't actually fit. My answer would probably seem too bizarre to you to be believable, and it's not a subject that is all that important to clarify, in my opinion, since everyone will understand it in due time as the events of the last days play out. But if you want, I can provide you with a detailed explanation.
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Post by John on May 1, 2018 12:55:18 GMT -5
Where do you believe Jesus will rule from during the millennial reign? Revelation indicates New Jerusalem comes down after the millennial reign ends. Do you believe he rules from the city of Jerusalem on earth or New Jerusalem from the heavens? The thousand year reign of Christ and the saints is a subject of much debate and confusion among Christians, and the misunderstanding of this apparent enigma---and trying to fit it into the prophetic timeline of the last days here or there---is one of the reasons why many are confused about other end-time events, because they're trying to fit the thousand years in where they don't actually fit. My answer would probably seem too bizarre to you to be believable, and it's not a subject that is all that important to clarify, in my opinion, since everyone will understand it in due time as the events of the last days play out. But if you want, I can provide you with a detailed explanation. The reason I asked was because I have always believed Jesus will rule from Jerusalem on earth, which would mean it's glory would be restored for a thousand years.
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Post by tlsitd on May 1, 2018 16:17:38 GMT -5
The thousand year reign of Christ and the saints is a subject of much debate and confusion among Christians, and the misunderstanding of this apparent enigma---and trying to fit it into the prophetic timeline of the last days here or there---is one of the reasons why many are confused about other end-time events, because they're trying to fit the thousand years in where they don't actually fit. My answer would probably seem too bizarre to you to be believable, and it's not a subject that is all that important to clarify, in my opinion, since everyone will understand it in due time as the events of the last days play out. But if you want, I can provide you with a detailed explanation. The reason I asked was because I have always believed Jesus will rule from Jerusalem on earth, which would mean it's glory would be restored for a thousand years. Yes, it's confusing, like a lot of things in the Revelation---what takes place when and where, what is symbolic, what is literal. The short answer is that the thousand years doesn't pertain to us, but rather to the saints who are in heaven now, and that we are actually coming to the end of them---at the end of which, Satan (who is presently bound in the bottomless pit----but not most of his angels) will be released to enter the person of the soon-to-be-revealed antichrist, and the rest of the events of the Tribulation will follow as written. Jesus will never reign from earthly Jerusalem, only the antichrist.
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Post by John on May 1, 2018 16:29:28 GMT -5
If the millennial reign is taking place in heaven now, when did it begin? It has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus died on the cross. I can't understand what event took place to where that thousand years would have started.
The way I have understood it, there were approximately 4000 years from creation to the cross. Then there has been approximately 2000 years from the cross till today. That would represent the 6 days of creation based on a year equaling 1000 years. Next would come the millennial reign, which would round out the week. I am curious how you arrived at your conclusions. Thanks.
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Post by justinadams on May 2, 2018 3:38:34 GMT -5
We have a problem here.
There is such a mish-mash of 'prophesy' explanations, that even wrong stuff gets carried over inadvertently. (I.e. I do not see a seven year tribulation in Revelations - if it IS even mentioned, it is a far longer period!)
I like Yeshua's Matt 24 dissertation. It is unambiguous and does not require the antics of the pre-trib debate.
The fact that past prophesy is only seen clearly in hind-sight should caution us about making hard and fast predictions. When it happens it will take all of us by surprise: some have been forewarned to expect it and most will be so alarmed that they will literally go nuts.
As far as DNA is concerned. The early Mesopotamian ancestry of most Israelis has been well mixed with other races so there is very little 'pure' DNA evidence. That some is mixed into the general populace is well known and some black African tribes have a purer DNA than some others that live in Jerusalem. These have been repatriated.
It was easy to become a 'Jew'. Read Esther. Down thru the ages many did just this. Read the Torah. The horrendous early church history shows how the Jews were persecuted by the Christians. It is very hard to get a good and sane balance as even some of the 'church fathers' were antisemitic! Check out Justin Martyr's writings. To be and Israeli was not at all popular - even the Christians were often treated better - to be a Messianic Jew was even worse.
We have to really study the history of the various movements both political (Constantine) and judicial (Augustine) to really get a good idea of what happened. Eventually, the Trinitarians won out, but not until a great deal of blood was spilled.
What we think we believe, from the comfort of our armchair biblical studies, has been hashed and thrashed thru the many lives of those that suffered death and mutilation for their notions of Christianity. It is truly a very sad historical series of events that do not speak very much of Love and Salvation. The Cross was replaced by the Sword.
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Post by John on May 2, 2018 6:01:08 GMT -5
We have a problem here. There is such a mish-mash of 'prophesy' explanations, that even wrong stuff gets carried over inadvertently. (I.e. I do not see a seven year tribulation in Revelations - if it IS even mentioned, it is a far longer period!) I like Yeshua's Matt 24 dissertation. It is unambiguous and does not require the antics of the pre-trib debate. The fact that past prophesy is only seen clearly in hind-sight should caution us about making hard and fast predictions. When it happens it will take all of us by surprise: some have been forewarned to expect it and most will be so alarmed that they will literally go nuts. As far as DNA is concerned. The early Mesopotamian ancestry of most Israelis has been well mixed with other races so there is very little 'pure' DNA evidence. That some is mixed into the general populace is well known and some black African tribes have a purer DNA than some others that live in Jerusalem. These have been repatriated. It was easy to become a 'Jew'. Read Esther. Down thru the ages many did just this. Read the Torah. The horrendous early church history shows how the Jews were persecuted by the Christians. It is very hard to get a good and sane balance as even some of the 'church fathers' were antisemitic! Check out Justin Martyr's writings. To be and Israeli was not at all popular - even the Christians were often treated better - to be a Messianic Jew was even worse. We have to really study the history of the various movements both political (Constantine) and judicial (Augustine) to really get a good idea of what happened. Eventually, the Trinitarians won out, but not until a great deal of blood was spilled. What we think we believe, from the comfort of our armchair biblical studies, has been hashed and thrashed thru the many lives of those that suffered death and mutilation for their notions of Christianity. It is truly a very sad historical series of events that do not speak very much of Love and Salvation. The Cross was replaced by the Sword. It really is amazing how many different opinions there are about the end times. I couldn't agree with you more about becoming a Jew. It is about becoming a worshipper of the true and living God more than about DNA. I don't know why that is so hard for some people to see.
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Post by PG4Him on May 2, 2018 7:29:05 GMT -5
So many generations have moved the goalpost on eschatology. Every few decades there's a new development that fulfills prophesy in an unexpected way. My own view of end-time prophesy is unconventional, so I keep it to myself, mostly because it isn't essential for exhorting others in the faith. I agree with Justin that we should always take the words of Jesus first, take them as literal as we reasonably can, and don't try to make Jesus conform to a misguided metaphor dance.
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Post by tlsitd on May 2, 2018 14:10:32 GMT -5
If the millennial reign is taking place in heaven now, when did it begin? It has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus died on the cross. I can't understand what event took place to where that thousand years would have started. The way I have understood it, there were approximately 4000 years from creation to the cross. Then there has been approximately 2000 years from the cross till today. That would represent the 6 days of creation based on a year equaling 1000 years. Next would come the millennial reign, which would round out the week. I am curious how you arrived at your conclusions. Thanks. What event? God knows. There doesn't need to be an event, or at least one that is made known to us; He has His reasons for doing things when He does them. Comparing Scripture with Scripture, with the Lord's help, is how I arrived at the understanding of this; and this is one of those things I know to be correct with certainty, as the forthcoming events will prove. I really don't think it's all that important to explain the thousand year reign, as I said before: I don't see the misunderstanding of it having serious ramifications for Christians, or I would say more about it. But suffice it to say: The tribulation will be approximately three and a half years long (not seven); it is getting ready to begin (no, I do not know exactly when, only that it will be "soon", whatever that means to the Lord; but I've no reason to believe that it's decades, or even a decade from now); there won't be any rapture before the tribulation begins, but only one, when Christ returns at the end of it; and the thousand year reign of the saints is a heavenly one that is almost at its end and doesn't pertain to us. Confusion about the nature and chronology of these events will shortly be clarified by the unfolding of the events themselves. While I could provide a detailed explanation with Scripture, I don't think it would be particularly helpful, and would create more questions than it answers---leading to a long, and probably pointless discussion/debate about eschatology, which I'm honestly not interested in having, and don't feel any necessity upon me from the Lord to engage in. (No offense intended.)
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2018 15:34:13 GMT -5
Sister lights onward in the LORD my sister . What matters Is that the signs of the times are full force showing us , THAT the great tribulation hour is right at the door. I mean it will be on us before most know what hit them. ALL the signs are showing the world gathering more and more under a ONE common mindset for WORLD PEACE . TWO things in Daniel. WHEN the transgressors have come to the FULL , THEN IT DOES STAND the dark evil son of perdition . HE destroys HOW , BY PEACE . transgressors are soaring and filling up the land fast full. and what else is increasing , THE ALL INCLUSIVE WORLD PEACE AND THE SOLUTOIN its MARK that it will offer. I mean its right at the door . RIGHT at the door . Folks forget how fast a delusion can move . But here is just one example . HOW FAST did the so called TORONTO blessing RIP throughout the world . FAST AS in FAST . WE got many preachers preparing the flocks RIGHT to this coming evil kings and king. AND they KNOW IT NOT . They see world peace as GODS BIG END TIME PLAN . ONLY problem is , It wont be god leading it , it wll be he who plays AS GOD and by this PEACE he will bloody the streets with the true lambs . Most of christanity and the world for that matter, will simply see the mark as NECESSARY and us and evil .
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2018 15:35:51 GMT -5
If the millennial reign is taking place in heaven now, when did it begin? It has been approximately 2000 years since Jesus died on the cross. I can't understand what event took place to where that thousand years would have started. The way I have understood it, there were approximately 4000 years from creation to the cross. Then there has been approximately 2000 years from the cross till today. That would represent the 6 days of creation based on a year equaling 1000 years. Next would come the millennial reign, which would round out the week. I am curious how you arrived at your conclusions. Thanks. What event? God knows. There doesn't need to be an event, or at least one that is made known to us; He has His reasons for doing things when He does them. Comparing Scripture with Scripture, with the Lord's help, is how I arrived at the understanding of this; and this is one of those things I know to be correct with certainty, as the forthcoming events will prove. I really don't think it's all that important to explain the thousand year reign, as I said before: I don't see the misunderstanding of it having serious ramifications for Christians, or I would say more about it. But suffice it to say: The tribulation will be approximately three and a half years long (not seven); it is getting ready to begin (no, I do not know exactly when, only that it will be "soon", whatever that means to the Lord; but I've no reason to believe that it's decades, or even a decade from now); there won't be any rapture before the tribulation begins, but only one, when Christ returns at the end of it; and the thousand year reign of the saints is a heavenly one that is almost at its end and doesn't pertain to us. Confusion about the nature and chronology of these events will shortly be clarified by the unfolding of the events themselves. While I could provide a detailed explanation with Scripture, I don't think it would be particularly helpful, and would create more questions than it answers---leading to a long, and probably pointless discussion/debate about eschatology, which I'm honestly not interested in having, and don't feel any necessity upon me from the Lord to engage in. (No offense intended.)
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2018 15:42:19 GMT -5
We got serious issues at hand . we got the blind leading the blind right into the final hour , and they see it as a big world peace plan gathering . They got no idea who and where this is leading them too. SISTER , I warn us all, we will see all religions , secular , many even in the christain religion FAST TAKING the mark of the beast and telling themselves whatever they will to make it seem all good . and us who don't take it , they going see as evil as can be . It aint no accident MAJOR SIGNS are everywhere . I mean folks all over preaching peace , peace , transgressions going through the roof , now the ultimate betrayal as even Christians are running into an all inclusive world peace interfaith that denies JESUS as the only way . I mean one would think a babe could see the error. But they cant , a massive blindness is hitting all those who rejected truth and had pleasure in unrighteousness . I never seen anything like it . And who sounds the alarm , few to none do . and those who do , seen just like the true prophets were , as evil , as vile . Think Toronto curse moved fast , wait till this full force delusion gets sent . it will rip through the lands and deceive any and all whose names were not in the lambs book of life. THEN as one the king and kings turn full force against the saints . Now, am I saying this could happen in the very near future , am I saying get ready now , YOU BETTER BELEIVE IT , and I make no apologies WE GOT TO WARN the delusion strikes the land and it will take captive ALL who were not in the lambs book of life . EVERYTHING is so ripe for it all to begin .
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Post by frienduff on May 2, 2018 15:48:21 GMT -5
Yall want to hear something so scary for so many . How often do you hear, we cant know when the day is near we cant know , we cant know . WILL SOMEONE please explain to me , how on earth THEN I can see the signs fast fillng the land . And also explain this . WHEN JESUS own asked him what it would be like near the end , near his coming HE ANSWERED THEM and HE SAID WHEN YOU SEE, as IN SEE these things , as in AKA WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW ITS NEAR . We got a mark which is all tied into buying and selling we got transgressions through the roof we got peace , world peace becoming the entire message of churches WHO WE THNINK this is and lead the world as one RIGHT TOO. SO those who cannot see how close it is , got some explaining to do. Cause GOD don't play favorites , meaning , what he shows me he would have shown ANYONE who is following ONLY the lamb . Playtime is long over . THIS IS WAR and the final hour is at the door . TIME to CHOOSE YE THIS DAY and DO IT NOW who we FOLLOW cause we running fast out of time .
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