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Post by Giller on Dec 26, 2023 13:12:05 GMT -5
Rev 3:14-16 (14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. (16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
We ought to really think about what the word lukewarm really means, we sometimes take things too lightly.
So what does it mean to be lukewarm ?
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Post by Giller on Dec 30, 2023 16:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by frienduff on Dec 31, 2023 8:08:20 GMT -5
Lukewarm is being in the middle . You cliam to believe in GOD , in CHRIST and yet you are double minded . An example can be seen in the old test when GOD tells them to CHOOSE . Either serve GOD or baal but it cannot be both . Those who often profess to KNOW GOD and yet DENY HIM in works . Their fruits prove they love sin , not GOD but use HIS name .
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Post by Les on Dec 31, 2023 8:42:38 GMT -5
Lukewarm is being in the middle . You cliam to believe in GOD , in CHRIST and yet you are double minded . An example can be seen in the old test when GOD tells them to CHOOSE . Either serve GOD or baal but it cannot be both . Those who often profess to KNOW GOD and yet DENY HIM in works . Their fruits prove they love sin , not GOD but use HIS name . Here is a quote from a so called believer in the Lord. This is taken from a forum that the majority are on the same mind set of claiming they believe in the Lord but are clearly Luke warm.
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Post by Les on Dec 31, 2023 9:38:50 GMT -5
Why did Jesus speak so strongly against lukewarm faith?
In Revelation 3:14–21, the Lord is describing the “lukewarm” heart attitude of those in the Laodicean church, an attitude manifested by their deeds. The Laodiceans were neither cold nor hot in relation to God, just lukewarm. Hot water can cleanse and purify; cold water can refresh and enliven. But lukewarm water carries no similar value. The Laodiceans understood the Lord’s analogy because their city drinking water came over an aqueduct from a spring six miles to the south, and it arrived disgustingly lukewarm. Laodicean water was not hot like the nearby hot springs that people bathed in, nor was it refreshingly cold for drinking. It was lukewarm, good for nothing. In fact, it was nauseating, and that was the Lord’s response to the Laodiceans—they sickened Him, and He said, “I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (verse 16).
The letter to the church at Laodicea is the harshest of the seven letters to the churches in Asia Minor. By His indictment of their “deeds” (Revelation 3:15), Jesus makes it clear that this is a dead church. The members of this church see themselves as “rich” and self-sufficient, but the Lord sees them as “wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked” (verse 17). Their lukewarm faith was hypocritical; their church was full of unconverted, pretend Christians.
Jesus frequently equates deeds with a person’s true spiritual state: “By their fruit you will recognize them,” and “Every good tree bears good fruit” (Matthew 7:16–17). Clearly, the lukewarm deeds of the Laodiceans were not in keeping with true salvation. The deeds of the true believer will be “hot” or “cold”—that is, they will benefit the world in some way and reflect the spiritual passion of a life transformed. Lukewarm deeds, however—those done without joy, without love, and without the fire of the Spirit—do harm to the watching world. The lukewarm are those who claim to know God but live as though He doesn’t exist. They may go to church and practice a form of religion, but their inner state is one of self-righteous complacency. They claim to be Christians, but their hearts are unchanged, and their hypocrisy is sickening to God.
The fact that the lukewarm individuals to whom Christ speaks are not saved is seen in the picture of Jesus standing outside of the church (Revelation 3:20). He has not yet been welcomed into their midst. In love, the Lord rebukes and disciplines them, commanding them to repent (verse 19). He sees their lukewarm attitudes as “shameful nakedness” that needs to be clothed in the white garments of true righteousness (verse 18). He urges them to be earnest, or zealous, and commit themselves totally to Him. Our Lord is gracious and long-suffering and gives the lukewarm time to repent.
The Laodiceans enjoyed material prosperity that, coupled with a semblance of true religion, led them to a false sense of security and independence (see Mark 10:23). The expression “I am rich; I have acquired wealth” (Revelation 3:17) stresses that the wealth attained came though self-exertion. Spiritually, they had great needs. A self-sufficient attitude and lukewarm faith are constant dangers when people live lives of ease and prosperity.
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Post by Giller on Dec 31, 2023 19:13:07 GMT -5
Rev 3:14-16 (14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. (16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
On the area of being either cold or hot, I see it a bit differently, then has been mentioned, and on the lukewarm side of things, I think Frienduff hit it on the nail.
We have to remember who founded the Laodicean church, which may have been founded by one of the apostles, or as a certain website says: "it was founded by Epaphras, a disciple of the apostle Paul".
I believe it started off right, but eventually became lukewarm, which was a church that John visited.
God would rather for them to be cold or hot rather than lukewarm, and being cold was not a positive thing, but rather a negative thing, and being hot for the Lord is a positive thing.
See being lukewarm is a mixture of cold and hot water, mixing the ways of the Lord, with the ways of the world which cannot mix.
Using God's word but turning it into a lie because of the mixture.
See being lukewarm, will bring someone towards hypocrisy, and God would rather you be ice cold , in the world, than trying to mix the holy with the unholy, and be an hypocrite.
And we can see that they had the love of money:
Rev 3:17 (17) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
And mammon and God cannot mix.
It makes me think of the prosperity gospel of today.
Although the word lukewarm goes much deeper than this as well.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2024 8:15:12 GMT -5
Lukewarm is being in the middle . You cliam to believe in GOD , in CHRIST and yet you are double minded . An example can be seen in the old test when GOD tells them to CHOOSE . Either serve GOD or baal but it cannot be both . Those who often profess to KNOW GOD and yet DENY HIM in works . Their fruits prove they love sin , not GOD but use HIS name . Here is a quote from a so called believer in the Lord. This is taken from a forum that the majority are on the same mind set of claiming they believe in the Lord but are clearly Luke warm. That is the love that cometh of the world and is under guise and direction of satan himself . Satan is highly wise . He can quoate the scrip and yet , and yet the direction he gives leads away from God . Lets look at the example in genesis . When we do i want to put it into the modern example of what the serpent has done with the gospel itself . So lets give this example in todays version . And the serpent approached the woman , aka the church , and said HAS GOD really said YE MUST believe in JESUS CHRIST to be saved . And the woman said yes , we must believe in HIM to be saved and if one believes not they shall surely die . NAY , nay says the serpent ye shall not surely die if ye believe not , FOR GOD IS LOVE , He has made the way to him broad and there is no need to have beleived . YOU BET satan and his ministirs can appear in wool and can decieve . HAS GOD really said YE shall not be unequally yoked ..................nay nay sayeth the serpent ye must embrace others beleifs and paths , just come together as one in love . HE IS A LIAR .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2024 8:19:30 GMT -5
Why did Jesus speak so strongly against lukewarm faith?
In Revelation 3:14–21, the Lord is describing the “lukewarm” heart attitude of those in the Laodicean church, an attitude manifested by their deeds. The Laodiceans were neither cold nor hot in relation to God, just lukewarm. Hot water can cleanse and purify; cold water can refresh and enliven. But lukewarm water carries no similar value. The Laodiceans understood the Lord’s analogy because their city drinking water came over an aqueduct from a spring six miles to the south, and it arrived disgustingly lukewarm. Laodicean water was not hot like the nearby hot springs that people bathed in, nor was it refreshingly cold for drinking. It was lukewarm, good for nothing. In fact, it was nauseating, and that was the Lord’s response to the Laodiceans—they sickened Him, and He said, “I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (verse 16).
The letter to the church at Laodicea is the harshest of the seven letters to the churches in Asia Minor. By His indictment of their “deeds” (Revelation 3:15), Jesus makes it clear that this is a dead church. The members of this church see themselves as “rich” and self-sufficient, but the Lord sees them as “wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked” (verse 17). Their lukewarm faith was hypocritical; their church was full of unconverted, pretend Christians.
Jesus frequently equates deeds with a person’s true spiritual state: “By their fruit you will recognize them,” and “Every good tree bears good fruit” (Matthew 7:16–17). Clearly, the lukewarm deeds of the Laodiceans were not in keeping with true salvation. The deeds of the true believer will be “hot” or “cold”—that is, they will benefit the world in some way and reflect the spiritual passion of a life transformed. Lukewarm deeds, however—those done without joy, without love, and without the fire of the Spirit—do harm to the watching world. The lukewarm are those who claim to know God but live as though He doesn’t exist. They may go to church and practice a form of religion, but their inner state is one of self-righteous complacency. They claim to be Christians, but their hearts are unchanged, and their hypocrisy is sickening to God.
The fact that the lukewarm individuals to whom Christ speaks are not saved is seen in the picture of Jesus standing outside of the church (Revelation 3:20). He has not yet been welcomed into their midst. In love, the Lord rebukes and disciplines them, commanding them to repent (verse 19). He sees their lukewarm attitudes as “shameful nakedness” that needs to be clothed in the white garments of true righteousness (verse 18). He urges them to be earnest, or zealous, and commit themselves totally to Him. Our Lord is gracious and long-suffering and gives the lukewarm time to repent.
The Laodiceans enjoyed material prosperity that, coupled with a semblance of true religion, led them to a false sense of security and independence (see Mark 10:23). The expression “I am rich; I have acquired wealth” (Revelation 3:17) stresses that the wealth attained came though self-exertion. Spiritually, they had great needs. A self-sufficient attitude and lukewarm faith are constant dangers when people live lives of ease and prosperity.
What did God , through elisha tell the jews . What was GOD WORE OUT WITH . If ye want to serve baal THEN GOSERVE BAAL , BUT LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT . stop trying to do both . IN other words GOD really does not LIKE lukewarm being in the middle stuff . And yet if we examine the social all inclusive love gospel , OOOOPS look at what they are doing . And doing EVEN IN HIS NAME . THIS is not gonna bode well at all les for all how joined hand in hand with this all inclusive lovespell. Folks better repent asap fast of it , before its forever too late to do so .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2024 8:26:41 GMT -5
Rev 3:14-16 (14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. (16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. On the area of being either cold or hot, I see it a bit differently, then has been mentioned, and on the lukewarm side of things, I think Frienduff hit it on the nail. We have to remember who founded the Laodicean church, which may have been founded by one of the apostles, or as a certain website says: " it was founded by Epaphras, a disciple of the apostle Paul". I believe it started off right, but eventually became lukewarm, which was a church that John visited. God would rather for them to be cold or hot rather than lukewarm, and being cold was not a positive thing, but rather a negative thing, and being hot for the Lord is a positive thing. See being lukewarm is a mixture of cold and hot water, mixing the ways of the Lord, with the ways of the world which cannot mix. Using God's word but turning it into a lie because of the mixture. See being lukewarm, will bring someone towards hypocrisy, and God would rather you be ice cold , in the world, than trying to mix the holy with the unholy, and be an hypocrite. And we can see that they had the love of money: Rev 3:17 (17) Because thou sayes t, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: And mammon and God cannot mix. It makes me think of the prosperity gospel of today. Although the word lukewarm goes much deeper than this as well. Yes giller . ice cold is NOT GOOD at all . To be lukewarm , however , BE EVEN WORSE . Yep . I shudder in total and upmost fear for those preaching this all inclusive sin accepting many path accepting go spell . I mean IN TOTAL FEAR for them . This delusion is and will take all religoins captive to a lie . The lie sold as love that cannot save a one of them . A very strong delusion of all out reprobation has been sent unto a world and all to gather it as one under a lie that will DAMN them all . JESUS CHRIST is being TROD UNDER FOOT and the religoins are uniting under what they think is the love god that shall save them all . BUT LOVE that comes of GOD would have shown us something . Their love accepts sins , it rejoices in inquity , not in THE TRUTH . ITS NOT CHARITY . though it do speak of doing good works , its love knows not that if even i gave all my goods to the poor and yet had not charity , IT WOULD PROFIT ME NOTHING . MANY gonna say to HIM , LORD , LORD didnt we do many good works in your name , didnt we build bridges and make peace , didnt we tolerate all When we saw the poor didnt we give him food . YEA , BUT YOU DENIED THE DIRE NEED OF JESUS CHRIST and ye turned JESUS CHRIST into a ministir of sin that holds a rainbow and a koran and other ways . ITS NOT GONNA BODE WELL at all for these people . AND IT IS HIGH TIME we make biblical correction great again and fast . Cause many aint gonna make it .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2024 8:42:16 GMT -5
Rev 3:14-16 (14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. (16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. On the area of being either cold or hot, I see it a bit differently, then has been mentioned, and on the lukewarm side of things, I think Frienduff hit it on the nail. We have to remember who founded the Laodicean church, which may have been founded by one of the apostles, or as a certain website says: " it was founded by Epaphras, a disciple of the apostle Paul". I believe it started off right, but eventually became lukewarm, which was a church that John visited. God would rather for them to be cold or hot rather than lukewarm, and being cold was not a positive thing, but rather a negative thing, and being hot for the Lord is a positive thing. See being lukewarm is a mixture of cold and hot water, mixing the ways of the Lord, with the ways of the world which cannot mix. Using God's word but turning it into a lie because of the mixture. See being lukewarm, will bring someone towards hypocrisy, and God would rather you be ice cold , in the world, than trying to mix the holy with the unholy, and be an hypocrite. And we can see that they had the love of money: Rev 3:17 (17) Because thou sayes t, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: And mammon and God cannot mix. It makes me think of the prosperity gospel of today. Although the word lukewarm goes much deeper than this as well. This is what many no longer recognize is a very simple truth . Allow me to remind us of what by grace we already know to be the truth . Hey giller if a man came to a version of JESUS CHRIST that said to that man , YE are fine as is , GOD created you as are , embrace your rainbow . TELL ME , though that thought gave him great joy and though he served in that church saying daily I LOVE JESUS CHRIST And though he volunteered more than most to help others . TELL ME , IS IT REALLY JESUS CHRIST HE came too , IS IT REALLY JESUS CHRIST he loved OR is it the dragon he loveth who embraced his sin and used the NAME of JESUS CHRIST to preach another version of JESUS CHRIST . Satan can decieve and decieve he can indeed . Folks seem to be forgetting that as they have been so unequally yoked . For many now cry , see how the muslims love as we do , they too do good works they too pray to GOD Satan is USING the name of CHRIST to decieve . Satan gets worship THROUGH THE FLESH , through the lusts of the flesh . something i am afraid most of christendom no longer realizes . AND i challenge each of us to examine exactly what their love embraces and what it has increased in hatred against . TO DO that , walk into any of these inclusive churches . Now you will hear a lot of talk about love and about doing good about tolerance , about accepting . and boy do they accept much . BUT THERE IS ONE THING they will not tolerate , will not accept will not love . BRING BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES into the mix, DONT EXPECT THAT to be embraced at all . THEY SEE THE GOD and CHRIST of the bible as satan and hate they see the love of the world as being of GOD . WE GOT MASSIVE problems indeed .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 1, 2024 8:45:10 GMT -5
Why did Jesus speak so strongly against lukewarm faith?
In Revelation 3:14–21, the Lord is describing the “lukewarm” heart attitude of those in the Laodicean church, an attitude manifested by their deeds. The Laodiceans were neither cold nor hot in relation to God, just lukewarm. Hot water can cleanse and purify; cold water can refresh and enliven. But lukewarm water carries no similar value. The Laodiceans understood the Lord’s analogy because their city drinking water came over an aqueduct from a spring six miles to the south, and it arrived disgustingly lukewarm. Laodicean water was not hot like the nearby hot springs that people bathed in, nor was it refreshingly cold for drinking. It was lukewarm, good for nothing. In fact, it was nauseating, and that was the Lord’s response to the Laodiceans—they sickened Him, and He said, “I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (verse 16).
The letter to the church at Laodicea is the harshest of the seven letters to the churches in Asia Minor. By His indictment of their “deeds” (Revelation 3:15), Jesus makes it clear that this is a dead church. The members of this church see themselves as “rich” and self-sufficient, but the Lord sees them as “wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked” (verse 17). Their lukewarm faith was hypocritical; their church was full of unconverted, pretend Christians.
Jesus frequently equates deeds with a person’s true spiritual state: “By their fruit you will recognize them,” and “Every good tree bears good fruit” (Matthew 7:16–17). Clearly, the lukewarm deeds of the Laodiceans were not in keeping with true salvation. The deeds of the true believer will be “hot” or “cold”—that is, they will benefit the world in some way and reflect the spiritual passion of a life transformed. Lukewarm deeds, however—those done without joy, without love, and without the fire of the Spirit—do harm to the watching world. The lukewarm are those who claim to know God but live as though He doesn’t exist. They may go to church and practice a form of religion, but their inner state is one of self-righteous complacency. They claim to be Christians, but their hearts are unchanged, and their hypocrisy is sickening to God.
The fact that the lukewarm individuals to whom Christ speaks are not saved is seen in the picture of Jesus standing outside of the church (Revelation 3:20). He has not yet been welcomed into their midst. In love, the Lord rebukes and disciplines them, commanding them to repent (verse 19). He sees their lukewarm attitudes as “shameful nakedness” that needs to be clothed in the white garments of true righteousness (verse 18). He urges them to be earnest, or zealous, and commit themselves totally to Him. Our Lord is gracious and long-suffering and gives the lukewarm time to repent.
The Laodiceans enjoyed material prosperity that, coupled with a semblance of true religion, led them to a false sense of security and independence (see Mark 10:23). The expression “I am rich; I have acquired wealth” (Revelation 3:17) stresses that the wealth attained came though self-exertion. Spiritually, they had great needs. A self-sufficient attitude and lukewarm faith are constant dangers when people live lives of ease and prosperity.
What did GOD , through elisha tell the jews . What was GOD WORE OUT WITH . If ye want to serve baal THEN GO SERVE BAAL , BUT LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT . stop trying to do both . IN other words GOD really does not LIKE lukewarm being in the middle stuff . And yet if we examine the social all inclusive love gospel , OOOOPS look at what they are doing . And doing EVEN IN HIS NAME . THIS is not gonna bode well at all les for all how joined hand in hand with this all inclusive lovespell. Folks better repent asap fast of it , before its forever too late to do so .
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Post by Giller on Jan 5, 2024 23:18:15 GMT -5
1Jn 2:15-17 (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
God does not want us to mix his pure ways, with the ways of this world.
And it speaks of 2 subjects in 1 John 2:15, which speaks of not loving the world, neither the things that are in the world.
So what is not loving the world, nor the things that are in the world ?
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Post by Giller on Jan 14, 2024 16:01:55 GMT -5
Loving not the world, is not loving it's ways such as not going by the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.
But now what about not loving the things that are in the world ?
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Post by Giller on Jan 21, 2024 15:37:21 GMT -5
1Jn 2:15-17 (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
The word love in verse 15, in the Greek is Agapao.
Here is the meaning:
(Strong's concordance)
(G25 ἀγαπάω agapaō ag-ap-ah'-o Perhaps from ἄγαν agan (much; or compare [H5689]); to love (in a social or moral sense): - (be-) love (-ed). Compare G5368. Total KJV occurrences: 142)
We are called to not love the world, nor the things that are in the world.
Now that does not mean that we do not love the people of the world, for it says God is love and for God so loved the world, but concerning not loving the things of this world, it is in reference to things mentioned in these next verses:
Mat 10:37 (37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
1Ti 6:10 (10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
It is a type of love, to were you love men, more than you love God, to were you have the love of money and not the love of God.
To were you are making an idol of things, whether men, son , father ,daughter, or money.
When it says to not love the things of this world, it is really talking about say things like money, your mother etc., but it is not saying to not have any love for your mother, but rather that you do not make them come before God, and that they are not your ultimate affection.
And concerning money, we use money, but we do not bough down to money.
And were we should put our ultimate affection in, is towards God, were we show him the ultimate much love, which when done we can reflect a proper love towards men.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 22, 2024 9:25:07 GMT -5
1Jn 2:15-17 (15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. The word love in verse 15, in the Greek is Agapao. Here is the meaning: (Strong's concordance)(G25ἀγαπάωagapaōag-ap-ah'-oPerhaps from ἄγαν agan (much; or compare [H5689]); to love (in a social or moral sense): - (be-) love (-ed). Compare G5368.Total KJV occurrences: 142)We are called to not love the world, nor the things that are in the world.
Now that does not mean that we do not love the people of the world, for it says God is love and for God so loved the world, but concerning not loving the things of this world, it is in reference to things mentioned in these next verses: Mat 10:37 (37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 1Ti 6:10 (10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. It is a type of love, to were you love men, more than you love God, to were you have the love of money and not the love of God. To were you are making an idol of things, whether men, son , father ,daughter, or money. When it says to not love the things of this world, it is really talking about say things like money, your mother etc., but it is not saying to not have any love for your mother, but rather that you do not make them come before God, and that they are not your ultimate affection. And concerning money, we use money, but we do not bough down to money. And were we should put our ultimate affection in, is towards God, were we show him the ultimate much love, which when done we can reflect a proper love towards men. This too is an example of putting one BEFORE GOD . If we choose to accept the sinful lifestyle of one . example . If ones son or daughter came out as gay or etc and then we choose to accept their sin and etc . Many folks have done that . They chose their child and its ways over GOD and HIS ways .
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