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Post by 777 on Jan 21, 2020 14:04:39 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
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Post by John on Jan 21, 2020 21:08:13 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
That is good 777. I haven't heard it explained that way before, but that is the difference.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jan 22, 2020 10:17:17 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
How would you know someone has the gift of tongues and not just the ability?
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Post by John on Jan 22, 2020 19:11:33 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
How would you know someone has the gift of tongues and not just the ability? Do you mean like the person that knows different languages? I suppose you could have a person show up in a church service that knows German or Italian or French, get up in front of the church, and say something like they are giving a message in tongues. That same person could then give the interpretation. You could also conceivably have a person give out a genuine message in another language, and have someone that recognizes that language interpret through natural means. Any of that could potentially happen. There will always be fakes when it comes to anything. You will have fake healings, and ministers that are not really Christians, but that doesn't take away the fact the genuine exists as well.
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Post by 777 on Jan 23, 2020 8:58:35 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
How would you know someone has the gift of tongues and not just the ability? I am sorry I didn't answer you already, but John did a good job of answering it for me. There will always be fake among the genuine. There is often no sure way to tell one from the other, unless it is through spiritual discernment. We need to be careful about how we judge things.
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Post by Giller on Jan 26, 2020 15:16:18 GMT -5
Let me see if I can explain this in another way. When you receive the baptism, the Holy Spirit dwells inside your temple. He is the one doing the praying through you in tongues, but you have to allow this. It is possible to quench the Spirit. He will pray through any who are baptized if we allow it. His praying through us is not the gift. The gift from God is the Holy Ghost himself.
Now, when it comes to the Spirit filled believer, the Spirit will give gifts to them according to His will. One of those gifts is tongues and interpretation of tongues. Not all have this prophetic gift. His ability to pray through you in an unknown language is not a gift, and it is not withheld from some Spirit-filled Christians, but the gift of tongues is only to those that the Spirit decides to give it to. I hope that helps.
How would you know someone has the gift of tongues and not just the ability? Well first I just want to show that there are different types of tongues: Unknown Tongue, only known to God, and not to man
1Co 14:2 (2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
| Other tongues, not known to the individual, but is a known tongue, known in the world
Act 2:4-8 (4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. (6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. (7) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? (8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
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Now on the day of Pentecost, there was no need of interpretation of what was said, for there were people there who understood the various languages that were being spoken in; now the 120 did not understand what they were saying, but people around them that knew the various languages, sure did. And what were the 120 speaking? Act 2:11 (11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. They were not prophesying in tongues, or giving a word of knowledge in tongues, but rather were just glorifying God in other tongues. You can say it was a type of praise, or prayer to God, to were they were speaking of his wonderful works. But the gift of tongues, is used much in the same way as the gift prophecy, and the gift of the word of knowledge is used. Here is what the word says on prophecy: 1Co 14:29-31 (29) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. (30) If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. (31) For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. It gives order of it being 2 or 3, and doing so one by one. Now what about tongues? 1Co 14:27 (27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. See here it is not just praying in tongues, but it is speaking in tongues, and it uses pretty much the same formula as prophesying, that it be 2 or 3, and that by course.
But of course these tongues need interpretation, for the person will not know what is being prophesied if there is no interpretation, and it is the gift of interpretation, it is not natural interpretation, for it is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
Unknown tongues which has a message to someone needs to be interpreted, but also say someone is speaking a language that he does not know, but is known in the world, but no one among you knows what is being said, then the gift of interpretation applies, but someone who knows the language and just mentions what is being said, that is not the gift of interpretation, for it is not a natural gift, that is just natural interpretation.
When we get baptized in the Holy Spirit, we get a prayer language, which we can either be praying in an unknown tongue, or in an other tongue.
We do not all speak in various divers languages when we receive tongues, but when speaking in tongues, you can either be speaking in an unknown tongue or in an other tongue.
And also when we are just strictly praying in tongues, is is directly to God and not for a person, but when the specific gift of tongue is in use, it is a message to someone.
I pray this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 9:51:31 GMT -5
Just one little word to the wise, but don't worry I'm not going to stay and argue....notice where it says "unknown tongue"...the word 'unknown' was added by the translators in order to distinguish the word tongue from earthly language (eg, like mother tongue, foreign tongue, native tongue), to make it clear that it is talking about a spiritual tongue (language), not earthly human language. In the original Greek it is only the word "glossa" which is the same word used in every reference in the New Testament referring to spiritual tongues speaking. I hope that helps, bless you.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Jan 28, 2020 6:48:01 GMT -5
Just one little word to the wise, but don't worry I'm not going to stay and argue....notice where it says "unknown tongue"...the word 'unknown' was added by the translators in order to distinguish the word tongue from earthly language (eg, like mother tongue, foreign tongue, native tongue), to make it clear that it is talking about a spiritual tongue (language), not earthly human language. In the original Greek it is only the word "glossa" which is the same word used in every reference in the New Testament referring to spiritual tongues speaking. I hope that helps, bless you. That does help. Cessationists like Paul Washer say tongues are only known languages.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 28, 2020 17:07:29 GMT -5
Just one little word to the wise, but don't worry I'm not going to stay and argue....notice where it says "unknown tongue"...the word 'unknown' was added by the translators in order to distinguish the word tongue from earthly language (eg, like mother tongue, foreign tongue, native tongue), to make it clear that it is talking about a spiritual tongue (language), not earthly human language. In the original Greek it is only the word "glossa" which is the same word used in every reference in the New Testament referring to spiritual tongues speaking. I hope that helps, bless you. That does help. Cessationists like Paul Washer say tongues are only known languages. Correct . tongues is an uknown to man language . But to lambs of any language , german , French , latin , English , THEY WILL HEAR it in their own langague . THAT is what happened at Pentecost . UNBELIEVERS heard it as some sound , but to the sheep , those who were coming in , they heard it in their own language . Sister watchful is right on .
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Post by frienduff on Jan 28, 2020 17:10:07 GMT -5
One more reminder and I hope I don't sound like a skipping record . don't ever heed the pope nor any who do his bidding . Okay , that's all , have a blessed day now . Its been a while , so I thought why not remind .
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Post by John on Jan 28, 2020 20:00:03 GMT -5
That does help. Cessationists like Paul Washer say tongues are only known languages. Correct . tongues is an uknown to man language . But to lambs of any language , german , French , latin , English , THEY WILL HEAR it in their own langague . THAT is what happened at Pentecost . UNBELIEVERS heard it as some sound , but to the sheep , those who were coming in , they heard it in their own language . Sister watchful is right on . Unknown can just mean unknown to me. Like French is unknown to me. Also, an angelic language is unknown to me. It doesn't have to be a language nobody in this world knows. Those who came out of the upper room were speaking in tongues that were not known to the speaker, but were known to some in the crowd.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 29, 2020 10:04:14 GMT -5
Correct . tongues is an uknown to man language . But to lambs of any language , german , French , latin , English , THEY WILL HEAR it in their own langague . THAT is what happened at Pentecost . UNBELIEVERS heard it as some sound , but to the sheep , those who were coming in , they heard it in their own language . Sister watchful is right on . Unknown can just mean unknown to me. Like French is unknown to me. Also, an angelic language is unknown to me. It doesn't have to be a language nobody in this world knows. Those who came out of the upper room were speaking in tongues that were not known to the speaker, but were known to some in the crowd.
exactly . to the point is this , let me break it down very simple . Lets say I had been among them on the day of Pentecost and were speaking in tongues , if a greek had heard me , or a French man , or a English man , each one would haveheard the sound in their own language . That is how perfect the SPIRIT is , it can utter sounds by tongues and different men of different langagues , if they are sheep , WILL hear it in their own common tongue . That is the beauty and just a touch of the total power GOD has . HE can do ALL THINGS with no effort , FOR there is nothing to hard or difficult FOR THE LORD.
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Post by 777 on Jan 29, 2020 10:10:47 GMT -5
Unknown can just mean unknown to me. Like French is unknown to me. Also, an angelic language is unknown to me. It doesn't have to be a language nobody in this world knows. Those who came out of the upper room were speaking in tongues that were not known to the speaker, but were known to some in the crowd.
exactly . to the point is this , let me break it down very simple . Lets say I had been among them on the day of Pentecost and were speaking in tongues , if a greek had heard me , or a French man , or a English man , each one would haveheard the sound in their own language . That is how perfect the SPIRIT is , it can utter sounds by tongues and different men of different langagues , if they are sheep , WILL hear it in their own common tongue . That is the beauty and just a touch of the total power GOD has . HE can do ALL THINGS with no effort , FOR there is nothing to hard or difficult FOR THE LORD. I like that Frienduff, and never considered that. Maybe God was giving them the interpretation in their own languages supernaturally? I don't know if that is what happened, but it is possible! God can do anything.
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Post by Giller on Jan 30, 2020 11:01:51 GMT -5
Well on the day of Pentecost, it mentions clearly that they were speaking in other tongues, not once is another tongue mentioned as being an unknown tongue.
This is what the bible says, and it explains all by itself what an unknown tongue is without any interpretation:
1Co 14:2 (2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
It says no man understands him, yet on the day of Pentecost, the men who spoke the languages that the disciples spoke and so forth, understood them:
Act 2:4 (4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:8-11 (8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, (10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, (11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Let us not add or take away from the word.
And the gift of interpretation is not a natural gift like normal interpretation, but rather spiritual.
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Post by 777 on Jan 30, 2020 14:01:28 GMT -5
Well on the day of Pentecost, it mentions clearly that they were speaking in other tongues, not once is another tongue mentioned as being an unknown tongue. This is what the bible says, and it explains all by itself what an unknown tongue is without any interpretation: 1Co 14:2 (2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. It says no man understands him, yet on the day of Pentecost, the men who spoke the languages that the disciples spoke and so forth, understood them: Act 2:4 (4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Act 2:8-11 (8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? (9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, (10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, (11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Let us not add or take away from the word. And the gift of interpretation is not a natural gift like normal interpretation, but rather spiritual. I think you are right. It is not complicated if you just accept it as written.
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