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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 3, 2018 16:43:19 GMT -5
It's better to be meticulous and prudent than to be lax or presumptuous... "...I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes..." - Luke 10:21
"...the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him." - 1 John 2:27
"now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." - Romans 7:6
"And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures." - Luke 24:45
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:10
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Post by frienduff on Sept 3, 2018 17:36:02 GMT -5
Yes . let us be diligent to test all things and do so by prayer and reading of the word for ourselves . Now dig in people . Let us cling to the LORD and love the LORD with all the heart , all mind and the soul , all the strength and our neighbor as our self. Sister lights brought up some really good points . Let us not aruge over this . Lets just dig in the bible and learn .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 3, 2018 18:41:21 GMT -5
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. (1 Corinthians 1:10) This is talking about the truth of the gospel. What is needed to salvation, as they were talking things like:
"Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”" - 1 Corinthians 1:12
"Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" - 1 Corinthians 1:13
"Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?" - 1 Corinthians 15:12
But you imply that we can have no fellowship if we have a different, yet correct, understanding of what a prophet is or does, or how I should brush my teeth.
If we cannot have fellowship because of such details, well, I am so sad to know this.
As far as I know, we agree to the truth of the gospel and about many things.
But you want to despise fellowship with me just because I have different understanding about those matters.
Well, if a soul is less important for you than to know what prophet, deacon, and apostle are according to your understanding then I do not know what to say.
If we cannot have fellowship, if you cannot greet me because of these things... if you believe that I am going to hell just because of that...
It is just sad. Very, very sad.
"...And he said, “Take heed, all you people!”" - 1 Kings 22:28
I just wish that the Lord bring understanding to you.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 3, 2018 19:15:32 GMT -5
Yes . let us be diligent to test all things and do so by prayer and reading of the word for ourselves . Now dig in people . Let us cling to the LORD and love the LORD with all the heart , all mind and the soul , all the strength and our neighbor as our self. Sister lights brought up some really good points . Let us not aruge over this . Lets just dig in the bible and learn . I agree, we all must dig into the Word of God, heed it, take it to heart... learn from it... and obey it to the best of our ability. But it is prideful and arrogant to assume and even proclaim that our view on everything is always correct and everyone else must be wrong if they do not agree or see it exactly as we do. We can't condemn someone as a heretic over personal viewpoints. One could argue that it isn't a viewpoint, but it is... unless you're perfect, then you will not have 100% correct understanding on everything. It's Holy Spirit who teaches and we are commanded to work out our own salvation before God, with fear and trembling. And I think most of us here do exactly that!
I've posted Scripture after Scripture to support my view and that was not even acknowledged... why? Because if one wants to hold to their own opinion then they will not address the truth. I'm sorry.... but I don't even read posts from someone who thinks they are above everyone else and can never be wrong. There is no fruit of brotherly love... and yet, it would be said, "You can't love someone into heaven while condoning error." I'm not in error by following Scripture and praying for Holy Spirit understanding. For some... "error" means someone doesn't agree with their opinion of what the Word of God says or means.
I never ... never see this member praying for others, only posting reprimands and what she says God is saying to her to tell us. For all I know, maybe she believes I and my family are suffering because I'm so evil... I won't receive that. I look at fruit... not how much a person claims to know about God. The Bible says we will be known by our love toward one another. There should be some sort of fruit ... now, the Word says the world will know us by our love... that means, they will be able to see it, hear it, witness it... even feel it. For the world to see our love toward one another, it isn't us condemning one another to hell every day because they don't agree with our views. We are brothers and sisters here.... let us walk in love, and not in pride, because when we think we stand, we will surely fall. It's not how much we (think we) know.... it's WHO we know... and does He know us? If we know Him, we will love Him ... and if we love Him, we will love the brethren.
If I'm wrong for what I wrote, I apologize.... I don't have time to go into long private conversations, especially if I'm already viewed as a rank sinner. I have a family to care for.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 3, 2018 20:17:59 GMT -5
This is depressing already . Half of most folks think I am an anti Christ , most others I am like a bull in a china glass shop . WHO cares . Seriously we should not let our feelings be so easily offended . LETS JUST START OVER and begin with new posts already .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 3, 2018 20:30:12 GMT -5
This is depressing already . Half of most folks think I am an anti Christ , most others I am like a bull in a china glass shop . WHO cares . Seriously we should not let our feelings be so easily offended . LETS JUST START OVER and begin with new posts already . Sorry, it is just a matter of priority. Something that sister lights is not putting in the correct order apparently.
To put the love for knowledge of things such as what is bishop, prophet, apostle and what they do, above the knowledge of Christ is not love at all.
"We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies." - 1 Corinthians 8:1
Love rejoices in the truth, the truth of Jesus Christ. What she is doing is like:
You are an heretic because you do not agree to the truth that a tree has 7585749019498150 cells
You said it has a different number, then I cannot have fellowship with you.
"For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." - John 1:17
But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 2 Peter 1:5-8
Can you see this?! Judge for yourselves if such thing is right.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 3, 2018 21:04:46 GMT -5
Letters , good night , what ever happened to mercy . I did not read all of what you all said , I seen the strife days back and left . Course I apologized for that , for not correcting right away . BUT GOODNESS, can we not start over . Emotions are running high . We got to tame them , even if we in the right . Lets say sister lights was just plain wrong . Do we desire her to be run off . Its like some folks don't want this to end . WHAT I am trying to do is get the emotions to simmer down . AND LETS all start over . GOODNESS let us not FORGET HOW MERCIFUL GOD IS TO US and DAILY too . LETS END THIS . I don't care who is right or wrong at this point . LETS END this and start over and talk slowly and see if we cannot get this fixed . WE at least SHOULD TRY . People cant stand me either letters , most cant . I get accused of being a Pharisee or whatever . But that is just the way things are . Lets start over and stop this rail raod of complaining . AND see if we can fix this .
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 3, 2018 21:23:39 GMT -5
Letters , good night , what ever happened to mercy . I did not read all of what you all said , I seen the strife days back and left . Course I apologized for that , for not correcting right away . BUT GOODNESS, can we not start over . Emotions are running high . We got to tame them , even if we in the right . Lets say sister lights was just plain wrong . Do we desire her to be run off . Its like some folks don't want this to end . WHAT I am trying to do is get the emotions to simmer down . AND LETS all start over . GOODNESS let us not FORGET HOW MERCIFUL GOD IS TO US and DAILY too . LETS END THIS . I don't care who is right or wrong at this point . LETS END this and start over and talk slowly and see if we cannot get this fixed . WE at least SHOULD TRY . People cant stand me either letters , most cant . I get accused of being a Pharisee or whatever . But that is just the way things are . Lets start over and stop this rail raod of complaining . AND see if we can fix this . You are far from being a pharisee, in my opinion. No worries about that.BUT GOODNESS, can we not start over . Emotions are running high . We got to tame them , even if we in the right . Lets say sister lights was just plain wrong . Do we desire her to be run off . Its like some folks don't want this to end . No, we cannot start over until sister lights come and decide what is more important to her:
The knowledge of the gospel of Christ
or
Whatever knowledge she has
Because saying that you cannot have fellowship with me just because I have a different interpretation over trivial matters such as what a prophet does or is, spiritual gifts or whatever, saddens me.
If such behavior is what Christ told us to have regarding our brethren then please show me, then I will see my error and say: OK, I was wrong.
But if you classify me as a heretic just because of that, well, it hurts.
But who is going to care? Perhaps agreeing to her of what prophet is or does according to her understanding is much more important than my well-being anyway, as it is truth.
Is that the truth taught by our Lord Jesus Christ!?
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 3, 2018 21:47:39 GMT -5
The question before us is whether this ends when we drop the subject of gifts. Do we forget about this and resume fellowship, or will the word heretic appear in every conversation? Let’s be honest, this group already lost one sister who no longer comments because she was called a rebellious heretic almost daily. She was run off real good, and not by Letters or Abby.
In defense of Letters and Abby, no one is required to visit a forum where their feelings are hurt every day. New members don’t want to join a forum just to read daily manifestos about bad Christians. There’s being easily offended, and then there’s having enough of it. This group is being ripped apart with no apology, after the first thread was locked so we could end it but then it was brought up again, and not by Letters or Abby. This is being rehashed and repeated until there’s no one else left to disagree.
Brother Frienduff, please reconsider this. Being right or teaching good doctrine does not justify destructive behavior. There has been a consistent pattern of resisting authority, ignoring answers, rebuking grown men who served as pastor, and starting new threads to complain about people. No amount of good teaching makes up for it.
My only solutuon would be to lock this thread, not allow new threads until this is over, and see if Sister Light wants to talk with you in private. She has clearly burned too many bridges in public.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 3, 2018 22:26:46 GMT -5
The question before us is whether this ends when we drop the subject of gifts. Do we forget about this and resume fellowship, or will the word heretic appear in every conversation? Let’s be honest, this group already lost one sister who no longer comments because she was called a rebellious heretic almost daily. She was run off real good, and not by Letters or Abby. In defense of Letters and Abby, no one is required to visit a forum where their feelings are hurt every day. New members don’t want to join a forum just to read daily manifestos about bad Christians. There’s being easily offended, and then there’s having enough of it. This group is being ripped apart with no apology, after the first thread was locked so we could end it but then it was brought up again, and not by Letters or Abby. This is being rehashed and repeated until there’s no one else left to disagree. Brother Frienduff, please reconsider this. Being right or teaching good doctrine does not justify destructive behavior. There has been a consistent pattern of resisting authority, ignoring answers, rebuking grown men who served as pastor, and starting new threads to complain about people. No amount of good teaching makes up for it. My only solutuon would be to lock this thread, not allow new threads until this is over, and see if Sister Light wants to talk with you in private. She has clearly burned too many bridges in public. What sister got ran off and left for good . This might not be what some want to hear , but I would not be surprised if some have left because of me either. What I think needs to get done is some folks need to get busy praying and see what they think the SPIRIT is really telling them . I just was not reading those posts as of late . So I really got no idea what on earth is going on . But one thing I do know , is we need to be honest with one another . IF we think we see error in one , rather than talking in private OR just even thinking it , WE need to address it . Whether or not this suprises you or the others , In times past I have been accused so often of being a Pharisee, or my approach has been attacked as though I am self righteous or whatever , and every time it was bad assumptions on the others part . The only thing I have personally lacked on as of late , but was convicted and corrected by the SPIRIT , was the fact that I was actually over looking some things I should not have been. It was as though I was trading in doctrine for unity , but not real bad , just a small bit . cause I see problems that I should have addressed. What on earth are we going to say to CHRIST on HIS DAY , if we made excuse for things HE said to NOT DO or TO DO . its not going to work out . I have stressed and stressed that we need to read our bibles more and we do . I know some were raised in the church environment and I am telling us their are things that need to be burned out and sharpened new . The sad thing is if we looking for numbers , yalll going to have to have me leave , BUT if we looking for numbers of lambs who want to SERVE GOD then this place will thrive . You all would be surprised , and I don't say this to make me seem wrong , but still its true , with folks like me around we wont get large numbers . BUT sound doctrine will get said. Don't think I am over bearing or mean or harsh . No , its just in this age folks do not want to hear the sound doctrine , they would rather hear smooth talk . and I have no desire or will for that kind of teaching . We need to seriously pray and make decisions . Don't just make this decision I am about to ask , WITHOUT praying first . But still it needs to get done . I am going to pray about it too . I want you , butero and the others to envision how you would like this place . Then ask youselves after PRAYER , will ones like me benefit it , or damage it . Don't just come and say NO or YES , you pray and really pray hard about this . I will do the same .
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 3, 2018 23:58:26 GMT -5
Listen, y'all ... I apologize for responding the way I did. I don't think I wrote anything that was untrue or necessarily wrong, but the manner in which I handled it was wrong. Please forgive me... there are just some things I don't understand about some of the things written here lately.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 4, 2018 0:11:34 GMT -5
Letters , good night , what ever happened to mercy . I did not read all of what you all said , I seen the strife days back and left . Course I apologized for that , for not correcting right away . BUT GOODNESS, can we not start over . Emotions are running high . We got to tame them , even if we in the right . Lets say sister lights was just plain wrong . Do we desire her to be run off . Its like some folks don't want this to end . WHAT I am trying to do is get the emotions to simmer down . AND LETS all start over . GOODNESS let us not FORGET HOW MERCIFUL GOD IS TO US and DAILY too . LETS END THIS . I don't care who is right or wrong at this point . LETS END this and start over and talk slowly and see if we cannot get this fixed . WE at least SHOULD TRY . People cant stand me either letters , most cant . I get accused of being a Pharisee or whatever . But that is just the way things are . Lets start over and stop this rail raod of complaining . AND see if we can fix this . No, I don't think anyone wants to run sister lights away. But from the sounds of it, she cannot fellowship with us because we differ on what we believe the Word of God is saying. That is what she has said. I have attempted to fellowship with sister lights and everyone here, but it's not doable if she feels we are in rebellion against God... to her, I suppose most of us are heretics. I'm only saying that because it is what her words convey. If she believes that, I don't see why she would even want to be here... I wouldn't hang around if I felt everyone was in complete rebellion against God and didn't care to walk in truth.
I'm just really confused about it all. I love everyone here... but I don't plan to hang around where there is strife. Right now, number one priority (after my relationship with God) is my family. I don't have a need for any unnecessary back and forth. I have great respect for our brother John and his efforts here. I feel he is an excellent leader and a godly man who I look up to as a shepherd. I apologize for any disrespect my actions may have shown.
Sister lights, I'm sorry if I have offended you by my beliefs differing from yours. If you feel you cannot fellowship with me, I understand. It doesn't affect my relationship with Jesus Christ and it's a shame we can't fellowship here, because we will be in eternity with Christ together.
Good night, all....
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Post by justinadams on Sept 4, 2018 4:30:00 GMT -5
Fun fact about history: the world's most infamous, ambitious dictators all had something in common -- a special relationship with a domineering mother. A domineering man left to his own devices will usually become a tiny tyrant with few friends. A domineering woman who gets herself a son will destroy France. It's worth noting that Queen Elizabeth was anointed to change the world, and she never had children. It's a myth that male-dominated societies destroyed themselves by abusing women. Women destroyed other women by using men as pawns. This might be a good segue into a discussion over on Christian Living. As a modern woman myself, I'm one of the most anti-feminist people I know. The average American woman at this moment has the emotional development of a five year old, and has spent her whole life bullying men. Christian women need to return to a much more sober understanding of gender. Used to be that psychologists and psychiatrists were mostly men. Then the adversary set up schools where the natural nurturing bent of women could be tapped. This psycho-heresy has permeated all of our modern society. Nowadays most in this profession of lies and half-truth are women. They took up the standard of "right-living" straight out of the devils play-book. Freud and Jung were occultists and their works have expanded now to the point even churches have psychology departments. It seems that none of the modern 'society of eves' has a clue as to what early Genesis really means. Pastors seem easily cowed by this too. As for men, I think they have retreated into a parody of human dynamos. Chained to a mental hamster wheel where they daily churn our the power to be able to afford the consumables for the families. They are fed just barely enough recognition to keep the wheels turning. I am daily sickened by the public whining of women that seem to run everything here in Britain. Where are the men? Cowering under acres of judicial dictates that are passed down by a scared bunch of toothless male watchdogs who are supposed to protect us. Pathos en extremis...
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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 4, 2018 7:01:44 GMT -5
frienduff John tlsitd PG4Him How many times I have brought different opinions that I am so confident of being true?!
Yet, I have not said:
No, or you agree or you are all having different view of the truth because the Lord has shown to me. You cannot rebel against it.
Then I could stop and say:
No, you are all heretic and going to burn forever because you have a different understanding of those things.
Will you go to hell because you do not see that as I do?! Obviously, no.
But is my understanding wrong?! God only knows, and one day we will know for sure. But I am being sincere in what I believe.
"For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." - 1 Corinthians 13:12
"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge... but have not love, I am nothing." - 1 Corinthians 13:2
"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”" - 1 Peter 4:8
"For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away." - 1 Corinthians 13:9-10
But for now, we need to have patience and bear one another in love, the truth of the gospel is what matters.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 4, 2018 7:10:31 GMT -5
I’ll be gone for the next two days to think, fast, and pray. The last thing I want is to impose myself over the leaders. This is a decision that only Brothers Frienduff and John can make. Brother John, I’ll see you tomorrow night in Bible study.
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