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Post by 2fw8212a on Sept 7, 2018 14:05:28 GMT -5
tlsitd John PG4Him Abby-Joy frienduff If you want to insist on debating doctrinal details that are not required for salvation as if it were death or life to your soul do so at your own risk.
The only testimony I have to tell is that I have been tempted real bad and being encouraged to do HORRIBLE things against my own life.
Then when debating details like how I am opening the doors of my church or how I decorate it and keep on insisting that one can go to hell if they choose the wrong color.
Well, think about it. I have decided that it is best to myself not to debate certain things so intensely, like if one was going to hell if they do not agree with me.
Well, you are NOT going to hell if you do not know what a prophet, apostle, or pastor is or does with 100% accuracy.
I just decided to take a break, pray seriously, then I went to the street and have talked to some people and that really made me feel well while I bought something from them.
Then decide for yourselves if all this talk is making you any good.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another." - John 13:34
"Salt is good, but if the salt loses its flavor, how will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace with one another." - Mark 9:50
I am stopping debating details that does no harm at all. And I recommend you give more importance to what indeed is more important.
"...He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house." - Ezekiel 3:27
Rethink your priorities. And that is all.
And sorry anything.
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Post by John on Sept 7, 2018 14:16:25 GMT -5
As far as I know, most of us don't believe such things are essential to be saved. That doesn't mean right doctrine is not important.
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 7, 2018 14:33:07 GMT -5
I'll add that I follow the Lord's lead to the best of my discernment in how I respond to others. OK, YOU ARE THE ONLY WHO DOES THAT. WE ALL DO NOT DO THAT. WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO HELL AND YOU ALONE IS WORTHY TO GO TO HEAVEN AS YOU KEEP YOUR WAYS PERFECT. Brother, I recommend that you take a break from this thread. You are speaking out of emotion and not according to truth or fact. I recommend the same to Abby-Joy and anyone else who feels this way. I have never said any of that, and it would be wise not to put words in my mouth and accuse me according to what you apparently know is in my heart. Consider that Jesus Christ is examining all of our ways here, and the way that we treat one another is the way that we treat Him. (In the same way that we judge others we are also being judged. You accuse me of judging others, and yet you are judging me.) WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO HELL AND YOU ALONE IS WORTHY TO GO TO HEAVEN AS YOU KEEP YOUR WAYS PERFECT.
I strongly recommend that you take a break from this thread. (And I certainly hope that I am not the only one here who follows the Lord's lead in how I respond to others. We all should be. Oh look, there I go, telling others what to do again. I say that to point out the futility of this interaction at the present time.)
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 7, 2018 14:47:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
My own perspective has been that I invest as much time and thought and care into my responses to others that I put into what I post. I do sometimes write lengthy posts, but I also give lengthy responses, which is why I cannot respond to every post. I didn't realize that every member was expecting a personal response from me to what they post on a thread. I don't expect this from others when I post on other people's threads; and I don't assume they're snubbing me if they don't reply. People post what they post, they respond if they want to respond or have time to respond. That is how I have seen it. I apply the same view to what I post that I do to what other's post.
There didn't appear to be any problem with the length of my posts so long as the people reading them agreed with them. The problem arose when they did not. Then I became a proud, know-it-all, lecturer.
Why are my posts long? Because I'm a thorough person and want to include all of the information and Scripture I believe should be included, rather than adding things later as people respond. I read lengthy articles on the internet, and I agree with some things and disagree with others. I was assuming that others were reading my longer posts in the same way. I was not assuming that they felt like they had to respond to everything in the post. If they had a comment about one part of it, they would respond to that and I would answer them about that. If they had a comment about another part of it, they would respond to that and I would respond to that, and so on. And that was what was happening. I didn't give that much thought to the matter. Perhaps I'm not skilled in using a message board, but I didn't realize that the expectation was for posts to be a certain length or for the poster to reply to every person who responded or that those who responded were trying to respond to the whole post, rather than parts of it that they either agreed or disagreed with.
None of my threads are closed to debate, but how I respond and whether I respond is my discretion, as the Lord leads and time permits, as it is with all of the members here. I may agree with others' comments or I may not. That doesn't mean I'm not open to discussion of the topic. I might change my mind on something, I might not. That goes for anyone here and what they post.
I'll tell you, I don't give this amount of thought to the reading of other people's threads. I have my honest doubts about the length of my posts being the real issue here, although I concede that that does pose a practical challenge to responding to them, IF the other members really feel like they have to respond to every single point of whatever I post at once---which I doubt.
I think the bigger issue here is people's perceptions of me, and their feelings about what I post, not the length of my posts. If I wrote a lengthy post about something that most of the members here agreed with, I wouldn't likely hear a peep about its length or my tone or my attitude. I'm pretty sure of that. Tell me I'm wrong.
Whether I post something long or something short, if people have a perception of or opinion about me and are resentful toward me on account of that perception or opinion, whatever I post will be read through that lens. I'm open to changing my posting style, but I really don't think that's the problem here, and I'm pretty sure we all know it, as some have made their feelings known very clearly.
All I can say to that is what I've said already.
You completely missed the point. Nobody cares that you write long posts and nobody expects you to answer every single comment addressed to you. If you simply said nothing in response to a post, nobody would think anything, but what some are pointing out is how you will sometimes reply to a post by simply telling the person how wrong they are and that you don't have time to explain why. The point some were making is that you take the time to write very lengthy posts, and you will take the time to say things like that, but you won't take the time to properly discuss issues you have with something you consider wrong using scripture. I have seen you do that on more than one occasion. You replied to one person and just told them there was so much wrong with their post, you didn't know where to begin, and you didn't feel the Lord wanted you to spend that much time discussing it. If you felt that way, why say anything? If you are going to take the time to tell someone they are wrong, it seems like common courtesy to explain why from the Bible. You claim to be standing on the Word rather than experience, so you should have no problem discussing it with them using scripture.
If you read that post, I do believe I later went back and said that I probably shouldn't have said anything at all. Even if what I said was true, unless I was going to spend the time addressing everything with that individual, I probably shouldn't have said anything. I believe I gave her some advice about the issue and didn't just leave it at that. There are times when I try to respond with enough information to hopefully encourage the person do the rest of the research for him or herself, rather spending hours or days going back and forth on every point. I did what I thought was best. Recommending that someone go back to the word and restudy a subject more carefully because they are in error about something is not the same as telling them to take a hike because they're dumb and I don't have the time to be bothered with them. If I recommend that they do that, it's because I believe that is the best advice, to avoid a quarrel, and because ultimately every one of us has to get whatever we learn from the Lord, myself included. I do the same things myself that I recommend to others. Sometimes pointing out that something is incorrect, providing a little Scripture to show why, and recommending that they seek the Lord about it, is good enough---either because I don't believe that the Lord would have me to "teach" the person, or because I perceive that discussing the subject with an individual would lead to a quarrel, to no benefit to either party.
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Post by tlsitd on Sept 7, 2018 14:49:53 GMT -5
Sister Lights, that was a crummy thing to say to me. I defended you in a lot of that post, and I really put my heart on my sleeve. Then I’m told to suck a lemon. I know you didn’t mean it like that. I know you’re not setting out to hurt people. But from the view over here, you could have saved yourself time by just slapping me in the face. I didn't tell you to suck a lemon, and I didn't disregard your input. I explained myself, and I disagreed with something for a reason I explained. You can point out to me what offended you about my post to you. I was only being honest.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 7, 2018 14:59:56 GMT -5
I think by now everyone has made their point . I bet if everyone just prays now and lets this rest , we might be amazed at the effect . After this much debate . Points have been made . I would ask that all parties involved would also pray really serious and ask GOD to reveal if also their might not be some misunderstanding on the part of all of us . I mean I seen errors in some things sure . But what if their is also some misunderstanding . I mean I read what some said , like this is how I see it too. But what if their is also some misunderstanding By both sides . WE have to realize we ourselves might be misunderstanding maybe not all , but some things . because its way harder to witness on the internet than in person . I bet if everyone here met in person and talked it out , THIS could have long been cleared up . But when we keep making assumptions , and some are true but are all the assumptions being made correct . I once had a major miscommunication with a lady on another site . we squabbled . in a week or so it did fade . Then one day I said something that overjoyed her . it was not long before we decided to call. DID you know that in the first , less than five minutes WE cleared up the earlier matter . JUST like that . It was miscommuncatoins on both our parts . Cause some of the things Lights has been saying is being misunderstood. AND ALSO she herself is not hearing things either concerning the approach . I am just saying you would be amazed at what a phone call can do . WHEN it can get corrected so fast . Cause its in real time . I know their have been some errors . DONT get me wrong . But what I am saying is you would be amazed at how fast things can get cleared up in person or on phone . Cause if one says something and one misunderstood, the other one can quckly say NO , no I did that mean it like that , I MEANT it like this . the ladies can get this cleared up among themselves real fast . If ever I pick up a phone and call, I ALWAYS ask the lady , YOU need to let your husband KNOW and see if he approves us talking first . This lady was a widow so it was real easy . But I am saying if we really want this cleared up , WHY not let the said parties call one another and watch how fast it will clear up OR on the same ground , maybe a massive error will be seen . But either way , its so much easier on phone or in person .
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Post by John on Sept 7, 2018 15:11:06 GMT -5
On that note, this thread is locked. And on that note , PRAISE THE LORD . it is TIME TO EXHORT and build up . IT IS TIME for just flood the place with beautiful bible doctrine and build one another up , IN THE HOPE that is in CHRIST and remind us daily and exhort daily . IT IS TIME to preach JESUS and pure bible doctrine .
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