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Post by Abby-Joy on Feb 28, 2019 15:57:40 GMT -5
We are blessed with some truly godly men on this forum who represent Him well and lead by example.
Matthew 20:15-28 25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Tabitha3319 , I can certainly understand feeling burned by the male gender and their arrogance, oftentimes. It comes with the territory when one has had bad experiences. But God does truly want us to know the blessings of walking in the place He has called us to. The enemy wants to deprive you and me, and other women of knowing our value in the place He has us. Women are susceptible to pride just as much as men. It's pride that causes men to abuse power. And it's pride that causes women to want to push against the boundaries set in place by God. It isn't that God respects one gender over another. But we each have our rightful place to stand. When we do not stand in our rightful places, there is no order, and strife and chaos ensues. I think it's about time we (women) get with Him and take hold of what the enemy has stolen! There is peace in knowing we're walking in Him.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 28, 2019 16:06:44 GMT -5
Amen to what Abby said... a thousand times amen! Women rebelling against the system won’t make men more righteous. The last 200 years have proven this beyond doubt. The harder we women push feminism, the more we see men turn astray.
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Post by John on Feb 28, 2019 16:29:22 GMT -5
Ummmm what exactly do you mean by this? Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. Whether it be men demanding wives submit when they are not living right, or women rebelling against the man's authority, both are wrong Biblically. All we can do is what is right in the sight of God within ourselves. We can't make others do right. Men are not without authority. We may not have a person standing beside us in the home who is over us in authority demanding we do this or that, but we must give account to our head, Jesus Christ, and we will have to answer to him based on what we do. We have the Holy Bible that tells us what the will of the Lord is, and we must know it and obey it. If we don't, we are in rebellion to our head. Jesus expects us to submit to his Lordship.
As far as men getting on to other men goes, it happens, but a stubborn and rebellious man won't listen most of the time. I have talked to men that I was friends with about the way they were treating their wives, and they didn't listen to me. I had no authority over them to make them listen. I just showed them where they were wrong Biblically, but they always had some excuse for not obeying. Wives will find excuses for not submitting to their husbands, and men will find excuses for not obeying Christ. I was telling one man that he was being unreasonable in expecting his wife to keep the house, help in his ministry, raise their son, and still work a job, and he insisted that she had it easy and should help out with the income. It was not just a matter of whether he was right or wrong about her having it easy, but he was wrong. It was that earning a living by the sweat of his brow was his responsibility, not hers. She was faithfully fulfilling her role, and he should have been happy, but was not. Rebellious people are rebellious. They do not obey authorities, and men are no different than women in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:36:40 GMT -5
Here is what I mean: The men get all the power. But they go crazy with it and sometimes it seems like no other men check them. The Lord does, but in the natural, it seems like men can say "submit to me" and get away with it. Whether it be men demanding wives submit when they are not living right, or women rebelling against the man's authority, both are wrong Biblically. All we can do is what is right in the sight of God within ourselves. We can't make others do right. Men are not without authority. We may not have a person standing beside us in the home who is over us in authority demanding we do this or that, but we must give account to our head, Jesus Christ, and we will have to answer to him based on what we do. We have the Holy Bible that tells us what the will of the Lord is, and we must know it and obey it. If we don't, we are in rebellion to our head. Jesus expects us to submit to his Lordship.
As far as men getting on to other men goes, it happens, but a stubborn and rebellious man won't listen most of the time. I have talked to men that I was friends with about the way they were treating their wives, and they didn't listen to me. I had no authority over them to make them listen. I just showed them where they were wrong Biblically, but they always had some excuse for not obeying. Wives will find excuses for not submitting to their husbands, and men will find excuses for not obeying Christ. I was telling one man that he was being unreasonable in expecting his wife to keep the house, help in his ministry, raise their son, and still work a job, and he insisted that she had it easy and should help out with the income. It was not just a matter of whether he was right or wrong about her having it easy, but he was wrong. It was that earning a living by the sweat of his brow was his responsibility, not hers. She was faithfully fulfilling her role, and he should have been happy, but was not. Rebellious people are rebellious. They do not obey authorities, and men are no different than women in that regard.
I just feel like men, women, we should all do our best. Men should do their best. Women should do their best. Children do their best to obey their parents. Father deserves our best Jesus is the best husband I could ever hope for, so I'm content. The Spirit leads us like the wind. You have to have your sails open, though. Why don't we all just do our best. God doesn't expect perfection. It's so hard to remember that sometimes. He looks at the heart. And He finds my heart acceptable and worthy.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 28, 2019 16:45:18 GMT -5
In line with what John just said, I will attest that the same thing often applies to stubborn women. Over the years I have tried to talk to many women about biblical conduct. Most times, a woman who is already earnest to please the Lord will be receptive to further biblical counsel, while a stubborn woman who wants to do her own thing will continue to do her own thing. Rebellious people by definition are in fact rebellious.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2019 17:55:34 GMT -5
We are blessed with some truly godly men on this forum who represent Him well and lead by example.
Matthew 20:15-28 25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Tabitha3319 , I can certainly understand feeling burned by the male gender and their arrogance, oftentimes. It comes with the territory when one has had bad experiences. But God does truly want us to know the blessings of walking in the place He has called us to. The enemy wants to deprive you and me, and other women of knowing our value in the place He has us. Women are susceptible to pride just as much as men. It's pride that causes men to abuse power. And it's pride that causes women to want to push against the boundaries set in place by God. It isn't that God respects one gender over another. But we each have our rightful place to stand. When we do not stand in our rightful places, there is no order, and strife and chaos ensues. I think it's about time we (women) get with Him and take hold of what the enemy has stolen! There is peace in knowing we're walking in Him. SPOT ............................ON ............................RIGHT . My loved sister . You are dearly loved , and as I have said before so say I now again , I DONT CARE what THE POPE would say about you . YOU LOVED SISTER .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2019 17:57:16 GMT -5
Amen to what Abby said... a thousand times amen! Women rebelling against the system won’t make men more righteous. The last 200 years have proven this beyond doubt. The harder we women push feminism, the more we see men turn astray. A thousand thousands of times over . This is rare these days . OH but the people of narrow way are gonna LOVE CHRIST above all , and one another . Dig in my friends . Dig in . And praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2019 17:58:59 GMT -5
One thing have I found and nothing can compare . TRUTH REJOICES THE HEART , like nothing else can . PUT those hands up and let all sound out thunderous praises coupled with tons of thanksgivings unto THE LORD . Oh , its prayer and praise night tonight . Oh let their be many prayers with many praises .
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Post by Cletus on Feb 28, 2019 18:13:43 GMT -5
oh... thats good.
no body is looking down on you here Naomi. we all want to see you succeed in Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:02:35 GMT -5
oh... thats good. no body is looking down on you here Naomi. we all want to see you succeed in Christ. I've been processing some emotions. I think I'm finally letting go of that bitterness. It wasn't easy. I really think the part of him that loved me--- really truly loved me --- would want me to be happy. Whether we end up back together or not. I just want him to be free. Music helps me go through this process of just letting things go. So does dancing. He didn't really damage me--- my husband. He just held on too tightly. I pray the Lord's mercy on Him and that He truly becomes the man the Lord wants him to be. Still my heart is towards someone else. What God has for me is for me--- as my friend says.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 28, 2019 19:10:47 GMT -5
It’s time for a little hand washing to be done on my part.
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Post by John on Feb 28, 2019 19:50:13 GMT -5
oh... thats good. no body is looking down on you here Naomi. we all want to see you succeed in Christ. I've been processing some emotions. I think I'm finally letting go of that bitterness. It wasn't easy. I really think the part of him that loved me--- really truly loved me --- would want me to be happy. Whether we end up back together or not. I just want him to be free. Music helps me go through this process of just letting things go. So does dancing. He didn't really damage me--- my husband. He just held on too tightly. I pray the Lord's mercy on Him and that He truly becomes the man the Lord wants him to be. Still my heart is towards someone else. What God has for me is for me--- as my friend says. God is a God of restoration. I can agree with you in wanting what God desires for you to come to pass.
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Post by joseph on Apr 12, 2019 16:54:18 GMT -5
If it's God will for a Christian woman to marry, her spiritual head is her husband, by God's decree. If it isn't His will for her to marry, she doesn't need a spiritual head. If she follows the Lord, He'll direct her and keep her. Obviously that doesn't mean that she'll never sin or make mistakes, but so will a wife, and so will a husband, and so will an unmarried man. oops.... in Scripture it is clearly stated who the head is. Yahuweh is the head of Yahushua. Yahushua is the head of man. Man is the head of woman. (regardless single or married) Simple, true, unchanged, unchanging.
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Post by joseph on Apr 12, 2019 16:55:14 GMT -5
Regarding the often mis-represented passage, this is towards a better grasp of that :
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers (36) But if any man think.--Here the writer turns to the duty of parents, and there is a further explanation to such that the previous expressions are not binding commandments, but apostolic advice. If the case arises that a parent thinks he would be acting unfairly towards his unmarried daughter (i.e., exposing her to temptation) by withholding his permission for her marriage, he ought to do as he feels inclined--i.e., let the lover and his daughter marry.
Let him do what he will.--This sentence does not--as it may at first sight in the English appear to do--imply that he may consent or not, and whichever course he adopts he does right. It is implied, in the earlier part of the sentence, that he thinks he ought to give his consent, and therefore that is what he wishes to do. Let him do that which he so wills, says St. Paul, and he need not in doing so fear that he does wrong.
Pulpit Commentary Verse 36. - Uncomely. If any father thinks, by keeping his virgin daughter unmarried, he is acting in a way which may cause sin or scandal, then let him permit her to marry her suitor. The word "uncomeliness" is terribly illustrated in Romans 1:27. (For "comely," see 1 Corinthians 7:35; 1 Corinthians 12:24.) His virgin. Obviously a daughter or ward. Pass the flower of her age. If she be more than twenty years old, which the ancients regarded as the acme of the woman's life. And need so require. If there be some moral obligation or necessity in the case. Let them marry. The "them" means the virgin and her unmarried lover.
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