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Post by PG4Him on Sept 12, 2018 8:16:26 GMT -5
As many of you know, I'm an anti-feminist who does have a professional career. I work from home now. At times I must attend business meetings, but 90% of the time I stay home.
What are your thoughts on women who earn money, according to the Bible? I don't have a strong opinion stored away to come against you. I really want to know what you all think.
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Post by John on Sept 12, 2018 8:22:34 GMT -5
I could just give you a quick answer, but I feel it would be best to use scripture, so I will try to work on getting that together. Spoiler: I don't think it is a sin, but I don't believe it is God's will for women to work a public job. I feel it is the husband's responsibility, and the wife's primary job is homemaker and raising the children. Work at home opportunities creates the best of both worlds for those who can do it.
Anyway, Lord willing, I will try to make a scriptural argument later on.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 12, 2018 15:40:18 GMT -5
I think of the Proverbs 31 woman who was a very wise business woman. Lydia in the book of Acts was a seller of purple fabric which she produced. I don't see anyplace in the Bible that strictly forbids a woman from working, but she is to be a keeper in the home and helpmeet to her husband (if she is married). But what about women who aren't married and have no children?
I have thought of going into the field of doing work as a doula (assistant to a midwife in home births). I also believe that my work in the home in maintaining a garden and chickens (for eggs) would assist my husband in finances as well as provide a little income. That's what I hope to do now that we finally have a house with a little piece of land.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 12, 2018 17:54:58 GMT -5
In proverbs 31 it gives the example of a Godly woman who is good for a man to marry and raise a family with. In verse 24 it says She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. In another verse it says she considers a field and purchases it. Fields aint cheap, wont get that kind of money by just selling a few pieces of fabric here and there.
It does say a lot more about the womans role at home and with family, but it seems to paint the picture that she not only does that but that she does make some kind of money. No where in my reading of the bible does it forbid a woman from making money, or working.
As far as the other thread quoting scripture about not providing for your family you are worse than an infidel... go read the whole passage. its not talking to a man, its talking to a family whos father has died and left his wife behind and its giving instructions that a woman who is under a certain age is not to be considered a widow... its implying she goes and works instead of being a burden on her family so she wont become a busy body.
I do not think a woman is to be the main bread getter but i cant find anywhere in the bible that absolutely forbids it. I cant find a place saying its wrong. I think the man should provide most of the money but there are instances these days where that role of money making is blurred. Take for instance lots of women are nurses... do you know nurses can make 40-60 bucks an hour, and thats hourly rate not overtime rate? I never made that much. todays society is not the same as it was when the texts of the bible were written. i am not claiming that justifies it but things were much simpler then. even 20-30 years ago it was much more simple. Any men on this forum making 60 bucks an hour?
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Post by John on Sept 12, 2018 18:42:35 GMT -5
In proverbs 31 it gives the example of a Godly woman who is good for a man to marry and raise a family with. In verse 24 it says She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. In another verse it says she considers a field and purchases it. Fields aint cheap, wont get that kind of money by just selling a few pieces of fabric here and there. It does say a lot more about the womans role at home and with family, but it seems to paint the picture that she not only does that but that she does make some kind of money. No where in my reading of the bible does it forbid a woman from making money, or working. As far as the other thread quoting scripture about not providing for your family you are worse than an infidel... go read the whole passage. its not talking to a man, its talking to a family whos father has died and left his wife behind and its giving instructions that a woman who is under a certain age is not to be considered a widow... its implying she goes and works instead of being a burden on her family so she wont become a busy body. I do not think a woman is to be the main bread getter but i cant find anywhere in the bible that absolutely forbids it. I cant find a place saying its wrong. I think the man should provide most of the money but there are instances these days where that role of money making is blurred. Take for instance lots of women are nurses... do you know nurses can make 40-60 bucks an hour, and thats hourly rate not overtime rate? I never made that much. todays society is not the same as it was when the texts of the bible were written. i am not claiming that justifies it but things were much simpler then. even 20-30 years ago it was much more simple. Any men on this forum making 60 bucks an hour?
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Post by John on Sept 12, 2018 19:35:17 GMT -5
When it comes to the issue of gender roles, there is much that the Bible has to say, but not all of it has to do with the topic of women in the workplace. Originally, you had Adam living in the Garden of Eden, and he was to look after the garden, but everything he would ever need was provided for. He never had to worry about where his next meal was coming from. Everything was perfect. After a period of time, the Bible never states exactly how long, God decided to create the first woman, and scripture tells us the reason.
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
There is a lot here that people overlook. They know the woman was created as a help meet, but they don't fully recognize the implications of that. The woman was literally created so the man would not be alone, and she was created to be a help meet "for him." Woman was literally created for the man. She wasn't created to be an independent person competing with the man in the work place like Helen Reddy and her ridiculous song where she says, "I am woman hear me roar." That was not God's intent. This is reaffirmed in the New Testament. It is funny because we have all of these false teachers going around twisting scripture to claim women's roles are changed from Old Testament times. We have people like T.D. Jakes and his appalling misuse of scripture when he preaches a message called, "Woman, Thou Art Loosed," and then others created doctrines out of a man carrying a pot, saying that this shows things have changed as before that, only women would do that. It is grasping at straws. God's order hasn't changed. Notice what it says in 1 Corinthians 11:8,9
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."
The woman was literally created for the man. This goes in direct opposition to everything feminists stand for. In marriage, God made the husband and wife one flesh, not two independent people going in their own direction. The woman was created from the man's body, and when a marriage takes place, you have one complete person. Imagine the problems you would have if Christ was divided against God the Father and had his own agenda and identity? Of course, that is not the case, as Christ is always doing the Father's will, and they are one, not only in being God, but in purpose.
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3
In a perfect world, the husband and wife are in perfect unity. The wife is the husband's help-meet, and her duty is to assist him and be his companion. She should not be going around openly defiant against him and opposing him. That is not why she was created, just like Christ is the head of the man, and man's duty is to obey Christ. He knows the will of the Lord through the Holy Bible. He isn't free to be his own person. He was bought with a price, and belongs to Christ. There is no worries about Christ being at enmity with God the Father. It is my belief, and my primary message that this world is out of order, and that is why everything is so screwed up. The goal for everyone should be to look to scripture, see the will of the Lord, compare that to what is happening in the world, and try to calibrate or reconcile it. Return to God's ways. The world won't do that, but the church should, and should be happy to.
Back to the question over women in the work place. Originally, the man and woman were in the garden, and there wasn't anything to do but dress and keep the garden and everything was there for you. Before sin got in the way, I believe the man and his wife were in perfect harmony, but the influences of sin changed that. For one thing, God placed curses on the serpent, the man and the woman as punishment for their disobedience. Notice what the punishments were for the man and the woman.
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
The woman's curse is she will have pain in child bearing. It won't be a pleasant experience. Her desire will be to her husband. Her husband will rule over her. Again, before the curse, it is not like the man wasn't the head of the woman. She was created for him, but there was no strife, as sin hadn't entered in. They were in harmony. Now that sin entered into the world, God tells the woman that her husband will rule over her, where that command wasn't necessary before, as they were in harmony. Her desire is to be to her husband. She is his helper in life, and God placed that desire to fulfil that role in her. Many feminists would buck against that, but this is still God's design. Now, to the man's curse.
"And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
What is the curse on the man? According to Genesis 3:17-19, the ground was cursed, and it wouldn't be so easy getting food as before. He was no longer granted access to the tree of life, and would have to eat herb of the field. It would require hard work for the man to get his food, and it would be that way till he died, and returned to the ground from which he was formed. Working to have food was not placed on the woman, but on the man. She has enough to deal with regarding her own curse. What has always been funny to me is how feminists have convinced women to take upon themselves the man's curse. Most men like this, because they are happy for the extra income and not having to work so hard. Some women work all day and try to keep the home and raise a family too. This is the result of women's liberation!
What has been the consequences of this? Children being handed off to strangers to raise them in daycare or public schools. Women who have their own separate income and are not dependent on their husbands to meet that need. That means that when problems arise, it makes bailing on the marriage much easier. I do not think there is any scripture forbidding women to work. If they have kids, they are not there to train them up in the way they should go. Strangers have them more time than the parents, but women are not expressly told they can't willingly take the man's curse upon them.
Working at home has opened up opportunities that didn't exist on a large scale. The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 likely worked with her hands at home and sold the things she made. Nothing wrong with that. She could keep the house and train up her kids and help with the money too, She was anything but slothful. My wife has worked in the past. I am a truck driver, and my company doesn't allow passengers, so she learned to drive, got her CDL, and we team drove back and forth to California for several years till her health wouldn't allow it anymore. I never pushed her to drive, but it allowed us to spend time together and increased our income. We don't have kids, so there was no issue there. I see nothing wrong with that, but I still always saw it as my God given duty to provide for my household. Her duties are as a homemaker. I have known many men, some Christians, that pushed their wives to work. I know of a Pastor whose wife helped in the ministry, raised their son, and kept a clean house and that wasn't enough for him. He pushed her to work a part time job. I told him that it was not his wife's responsibility and she had enough to do at home, but he insisted being a housewife and mother wasn't that demanding. He literally forced her to take part of his curse. Sadly, this marriage wound up ending in divorce.
There is much more I could go into about order in the Christian home, but that is not the primary topic here. It is my position that the woman is not sinning to work, but that is not her curse, and it is not her purpose for being created. To me, being a housewife and Mother is a full time job, and nothing to be looked down upon as less than the job the man has to do.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 12, 2018 22:11:05 GMT -5
In proverbs 31 it gives the example of a Godly woman who is good for a man to marry and raise a family with. In verse 24 it says She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. In another verse it says she considers a field and purchases it. Fields aint cheap, wont get that kind of money by just selling a few pieces of fabric here and there. It does say a lot more about the womans role at home and with family, but it seems to paint the picture that she not only does that but that she does make some kind of money. No where in my reading of the bible does it forbid a woman from making money, or working. As far as the other thread quoting scripture about not providing for your family you are worse than an infidel... go read the whole passage. its not talking to a man, its talking to a family whos father has died and left his wife behind and its giving instructions that a woman who is under a certain age is not to be considered a widow... its implying she goes and works instead of being a burden on her family so she wont become a busy body. I do not think a woman is to be the main bread getter but i cant find anywhere in the bible that absolutely forbids it. I cant find a place saying its wrong. I think the man should provide most of the money but there are instances these days where that role of money making is blurred. Take for instance lots of women are nurses... do you know nurses can make 40-60 bucks an hour, and thats hourly rate not overtime rate? I never made that much. todays society is not the same as it was when the texts of the bible were written. i am not claiming that justifies it but things were much simpler then. even 20-30 years ago it was much more simple. Any men on this forum making 60 bucks an hour?
Texas. And hospitals tend to pay less than other places, i think thats standard coast to coast. in nursing homes a RN can make around 60 bucks an hour. the hospitals pay around 40. that is not a starting wage at the hospital either. |
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Post by Sister on Sept 13, 2018 1:22:48 GMT -5
When it comes to the issue of gender roles, there is much that the Bible has to say, but not all of it has to do with the topic of women in the workplace. Originally, you had Adam living in the Garden of Eden, and he was to look after the garden, but everything he would ever need was provided for. He never had to worry about where his next meal was coming from. Everything was perfect. After a period of time, the Bible never states exactly how long, God decided to create the first woman, and scripture tells us the reason.
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
There is a lot here that people overlook. They know the woman was created as a help meet, but they don't fully recognize the implications of that. The woman was literally created so the man would not be alone, and she was created to be a help meet "for him." Woman was literally created for the man. She wasn't created to be an independent person competing with the man in the work place like Helen Reddy and her ridiculous song where she says, "I am woman hear me roar." That was not God's intent. This is reaffirmed in the New Testament. It is funny because we have all of these false teachers going around twisting scripture to claim women's roles are changed from Old Testament times. We have people like T.D. Jakes and his appalling misuse of scripture when he preaches a message called, "Woman, Thou Art Loosed," and then others created doctrines out of a man carrying a pot, saying that this shows things have changed as before that, only women would do that. It is grasping at straws. God's order hasn't changed. Notice what it says in 1 Corinthians 11:8,9
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."
The woman was literally created for the man. This goes in direct opposition to everything feminists stand for. In marriage, God made the husband and wife one flesh, not two independent people going in their own direction. The woman was created from the man's body, and when a marriage takes place, you have one complete person. Imagine the problems you would have if Christ was divided against God the Father and had his own agenda and identity? Of course, that is not the case, as Christ is always doing the Father's will, and they are one, not only in being God, but in purpose.
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3
In a perfect world, the husband and wife are in perfect unity. The wife is the husband's help-meet, and her duty is to assist him and be his companion. She should not be going around openly defiant against him and opposing him. That is not why she was created, just like Christ is the head of the man, and man's duty is to obey Christ. He knows the will of the Lord through the Holy Bible. He isn't free to be his own person. He was bought with a price, and belongs to Christ. There is no worries about Christ being at enmity with God the Father. It is my belief, and my primary message that this world is out of order, and that is why everything is so screwed up. The goal for everyone should be to look to scripture, see the will of the Lord, compare that to what is happening in the world, and try to calibrate or reconcile it. Return to God's ways. The world won't do that, but the church should, and should be happy to.
Back to the question over women in the work place. Originally, the man and woman were in the garden, and there wasn't anything to do but dress and keep the garden and everything was there for you. Before sin got in the way, I believe the man and his wife were in perfect harmony, but the influences of sin changed that. For one thing, God placed curses on the serpent, the man and the woman as punishment for their disobedience. Notice what the punishments were for the man and the woman.
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
The woman's curse is she will have pain in child bearing. It won't be a pleasant experience. Her desire will be to her husband. Her husband will rule over her. Again, before the curse, it is not like the man wasn't the head of the woman. She was created for him, but there was no strife, as sin hadn't entered in. They were in harmony. Now that sin entered into the world, God tells the woman that her husband will rule over her, where that command wasn't necessary before, as they were in harmony. Her desire is to be to her husband. She is his helper in life, and God placed that desire to fulfil that role in her. Many feminists would buck against that, but this is still God's design. Now, to the man's curse.
"And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
What is the curse on the man? According to Genesis 3:17-19, the ground was cursed, and it wouldn't be so easy getting food as before. He was no longer granted access to the tree of life, and would have to eat herb of the field. It would require hard work for the man to get his food, and it would be that way till he died, and returned to the ground from which he was formed. Working to have food was not placed on the woman, but on the man. She has enough to deal with regarding her own curse. What has always been funny to me is how feminists have convinced women to take upon themselves the man's curse. Most men like this, because they are happy for the extra income and not having to work so hard. Some women work all day and try to keep the home and raise a family too. This is the result of women's liberation!
What has been the consequences of this? Children being handed off to strangers to raise them in daycare or public schools. Women who have their own separate income and are not dependent on their husbands to meet that need. That means that when problems arise, it makes bailing on the marriage much easier. I do not think there is any scripture forbidding women to work. If they have kids, they are not there to train them up in the way they should go. Strangers have them more time than the parents, but women are not expressly told they can't willingly take the man's curse upon them.
Working at home has opened up opportunities that didn't exist on a large scale. The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 likely worked with her hands at home and sold the things she made. Nothing wrong with that. She could keep the house and train up her kids and help with the money too, She was anything but slothful. My wife has worked in the past. I am a truck driver, and my company doesn't allow passengers, so she learned to drive, got her CDL, and we team drove back and forth to California for several years till her health wouldn't allow it anymore. I never pushed her to drive, but it allowed us to spend time together and increased our income. We don't have kids, so there was no issue there. I see nothing wrong with that, but I still always saw it as my God given duty to provide for my household. Her duties are as a homemaker. I have known many men, some Christians, that pushed their wives to work. I know of a Pastor whose wife helped in the ministry, raised their son, and kept a clean house and that wasn't enough for him. He pushed her to work a part time job. I told him that it was not his wife's responsibility and she had enough to do at home, but he insisted being a housewife and mother wasn't that demanding. He literally forced her to take part of his curse. Sadly, this marriage wound up ending in divorce.
There is much more I could go into about order in the Christian home, but that is not the primary topic here. It is my position that the woman is not sinning to work, but that is not her curse, and it is not her purpose for being created. To me, being a housewife and Mother is a full time job, and nothing to be looked down upon as less than the job the man has to do.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 13, 2018 14:04:55 GMT -5
I think of the Proverbs 31 woman who was a very wise business woman. Lydia in the book of Acts was a seller of purple fabric which she produced. I don't see anyplace in the Bible that strictly forbids a woman from working, but she is to be a keeper in the home and helpmeet to her husband (if she is married). But what about women who aren't married and have no children?
I have thought of going into the field of doing work as a doula (assistant to a midwife in home births). I also believe that my work in the home in maintaining a garden and chickens (for eggs) would assist my husband in finances as well as provide a little income. That's what I hope to do now that we finally have a house with a little piece of land. THAT is right sister . RAISE those chickens and plant a garden . You can raise quail too and turkey . Eat their eggs too as well as when the cock a doodle dooes get older , eat them too . and let several hens just lay and raise babies . On the others , keep checking daily and taking eggs . And plant a fat garden . We can all come and live off the fat of the land with sister Abby . and at times the thin of the land too .
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Post by Cletus on Sept 13, 2018 18:00:33 GMT -5
If you are going to raise multiple birds you need to educate yourself first. chickens and turkeys both naturally carry diseases that they are immune to however quail are not. many make the mistake of putting quail and chickens in the same area. turkeys too. eventually every quail you have will die, sometimes even if they are close. it may not happen for awhile, but it will happen. if you raise quail and chickens/turkeys you need to also practice other means of keeping the quails healthy, such as feed your quail first and never ever go from chicken area to quail area. wash your hands. and never wear the same shoes from chicken pens/area into you quail shack/area. you can track the diseases in like that.
if you are raising quail you do not really need to raise chickens because quails are way more productive with eggs and meat... if you incubate the eggs. quails will not hatch in captivity, the hen wont even turn around and look at the egg, she will just drop it and keep going. wont even make a nest.
there are pros and cons to each bird.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 13, 2018 18:14:25 GMT -5
This thread turned out to be more insightful than I expected! Much to consider.
I'm in total agreement that a woman's career should not put her household second. Ministry shouldn't go above her home either. Her hubby ought to be her first and most important ministry. When his needs are met, then she moves out to close friends/neighbors, then ministry at large. The thing about Proverbs 31 is unfortunately taken out of context for some women. They feel browbeaten to do everything in that chapter lest they be failures as women. I've even seen some women use it to justify why they're always gone from home.
Several years ago at a business meeting, some older women cornered me and told me to start a secret bank account so I could divorce my hubby if needed. I was shocked to hear such talk in broad daylight. Normal women do these things?!?
It's a funny thing for me in my career. It's not burdensome toil that I see as a curse. It's mostly a fun hobby I was doing for free before I got paid. This is how I see Proverbs 31. I suspect that her financial earnings came as a natural result of her talents/interests.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 13, 2018 18:24:16 GMT -5
If you are going to raise multiple birds you need to educate yourself first. chickens and turkeys both naturally carry diseases that they are immune to however quail are not. many make the mistake of putting quail and chickens in the same area. turkeys too. eventually every quail you have will die, sometimes even if they are close. it may not happen for awhile, but it will happen. if you raise quail and chickens/turkeys you need to also practice other means of keeping the quails healthy, such as feed your quail first and never ever go from chicken area to quail area. wash your hands. and never wear the same shoes from chicken pens/area into you quail shack/area. you can track the diseases in like that. if you are raising quail you do not really need to raise chickens because quails are way more productive with eggs and meat... if you incubate the eggs. quails will not hatch in captivity, the hen wont even turn around and look at the egg, she will just drop it and keep going. wont even make a nest. there are pros and cons to each bird. So do you think abby should just get chickens or just quail . We raised chickens first for years . One year I watched a virus rip through these birds , like it was no bodys business. Cletus whatever it was , it turned their combs from that pink red to a purple and it moved like lightning , it had them all down IN no time , and dead too . I was just a lil tot , it was in the late seventies . But it ripped through them . Mama had got some kind of medicine that turned their water yellow , but Cletus it moved so fast , it just wiped them out . A year or two later we got and raised quail . they did good . Then Pops went around with a pellet gun one day , and we had lots of quail dinners for quite some time .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 13, 2018 18:26:33 GMT -5
Who knows one day lil abby might walk out into her yard and sees a few of us their . Saying how can we help on the farm dear sister .
OR as I tell sister watchful . IF you ever see a man outside in your yard building a lean too shelter , DONT SHOOT , it might be me . Ha ha .
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Post by Cletus on Sept 13, 2018 19:09:24 GMT -5
This thread turned out to be more insightful than I expected! Much to consider. I'm in total agreement that a woman's career should not put her household second. Ministry shouldn't go above her home either. Her hubby ought to be her first and most important ministry. When his needs are met, then she moves out to close friends/neighbors, then ministry at large. The thing about Proverbs 31 is unfortunately taken out of context for some women. They feel browbeaten to do everything in that chapter lest they be failures as women. I've even seen some women use it to justify why they're always gone from home. Several years ago at a business meeting, some older women cornered me and told me to start a secret bank account so I could divorce my hubby if needed. I was shocked to hear such talk in broad daylight. Normal women do these things?!? It's a funny thing for me in my career. It's not burdensome toil that I see as a curse. It's mostly a fun hobby I was doing for free before I got paid. This is how I see Proverbs 31. I suspect that her financial earnings came as a natural result of her talents/interests. I agree. At least with most of what you have said. If i could add one thing though, I have always said 1st should be God. And for me I have always said next is the little ones and then me. I put myself last. If a man and woman put God first the rest will fall into place. thats why marriages fail. evil spirits break up families. and its us that bring these spirits in and give them place by not honoring God, which is to honor His ways on marriage. it us who invite evil spirits in to divide by our actions, and lack of actions towards God.
A big problem with whats going on today i have mentioned in other posts... the elders of the church are not teaching and training and its because the way we do church is not set up for it. parents do not teach their kids these things any more. elders of the church do not have time to fellowship in a way to teach these things and children grow up not learning these things. a lot has fallen by the way side concerning families and families start with marriage, or they should. the way people are learning these days is by their mistakes, and by then its to late, the family is broken. marriage was the first institution God set in order. and honestly there is so much wickedness today its so very easy to look at that and think hey, I am doing everything right, I am not like the world.
I can honestly say though, as a man and for a man, there is not much that will do him better than coming home from work to his family, get a kiss from His wife and see his childrens faces light up. it makes all the toiling and sweat from his brow all worth it. This alone gives him strength, he may not realize it, but it does.
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Post by Cletus on Sept 13, 2018 19:22:25 GMT -5
If you are going to raise multiple birds you need to educate yourself first. chickens and turkeys both naturally carry diseases that they are immune to however quail are not. many make the mistake of putting quail and chickens in the same area. turkeys too. eventually every quail you have will die, sometimes even if they are close. it may not happen for awhile, but it will happen. if you raise quail and chickens/turkeys you need to also practice other means of keeping the quails healthy, such as feed your quail first and never ever go from chicken area to quail area. wash your hands. and never wear the same shoes from chicken pens/area into you quail shack/area. you can track the diseases in like that. if you are raising quail you do not really need to raise chickens because quails are way more productive with eggs and meat... if you incubate the eggs. quails will not hatch in captivity, the hen wont even turn around and look at the egg, she will just drop it and keep going. wont even make a nest. there are pros and cons to each bird. So do you think abby should just get chickens or just quail . We raised chickens first for years . One year I watched a virus rip through these birds , like it was no bodys business. Cletus whatever it was , it turned their combs from that pink red to a purple and it moved like lightning , it had them all down IN no time , and dead too . I was just a lil tot , it was in the late seventies . But it ripped through them . Mama had got some kind of medicine that turned their water yellow , but Cletus it moved so fast , it just wiped them out . A year or two later we got and raised quail . they did good . Then Pops went around with a pellet gun one day , and we had lots of quail dinners for quite some time .
I do not know what abby should get. or anyone really. there is a lot to it. For me i have decided to get away from chickens so much because the cost and work vs. return. cup your hand and imagine a tiny pile the size of a quarter, thats what a quail eats a day.
Purple combs could be heart/ circulatory problems but it could also be A.I. if it hit fast it might be A.I.
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