PG4Him
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 13, 2018 19:25:09 GMT -5
Of course God comes first! I thought that went without saying.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2018 12:02:48 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on women having jobs they cannot physically handle because companies are pressured to hire them? I have encountered this more than once in my line of work. They get the same pay as the men, but guys often have to stop what they are doing to help them do their job.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 4, 2018 14:19:47 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on women having jobs they cannot physically handle because companies are pressured to hire them? I have encountered this more than once in my line of work. They get the same pay as the men, but guys often have to stop what they are doing to help them do their job.
This was something that bothered me on that other thread long ago. The one about unmarried girls moving away from their parents because financial liberty is available to them. “Modern society” offers more women employment precisely because the government forces Christian businessmen to employ young women. It’s amazing how quickly people toss out a Bible verse as soon government policy renders it impractical. Imagine how fast our society would change if feminist affirmative action was repealed. Imagine if women’s sufferage was repealed! There would pretty much never be another liberal president. Most intelligent men out there, deep down, if the government said they were no longer forced to keep up the feminist charade, the number of their female employees would drop off a cliff. It would save them quite a bit of money on sexual harrassment training/insurance. Not to mention all the other money they’re wasting on lost production, people leaving early to pick up a child, two people having to do a one-man job, etc. There are still some of us women who get it. If you give me a choice between my supervisor being a man or a woman, I’ll take a man any day. I’ve had enough women bosses through the years, and 99% of them were difficult to work for. I know there a lot of men who secretly feel this way. But why should the women shape up? The government keeps passing higher and higher quotas to get more women promoted. Now when Christian women get married these days, they are thinking in the back of their minds, “it’s okay if this doesn’t work out, I’m not actually depending on him for anything.” And it’s a crying shame to see this celebrated as social progress within the church. Yet another attack on God’s word. This one was so successful that it has basically obliterated 1 Corinthians 7:37. |
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Post by Cletus on Dec 4, 2018 17:15:08 GMT -5
I was going to wait to say this until PG4Him gave reply. Women should not be prison guards in a mens prison.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 4, 2018 17:24:40 GMT -5
To be honest women should not be doing half the jobs they do.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2018 18:29:59 GMT -5
I have noticed a lot of women getting into trucking of late, and there is no reason they can't learn to drive the vehicles. Husband and wife teams often do great. My wife used to drive with me back and forth to California. It is just that I am seeing more and more single women driving trucks, and they can't always do the job. Some jobs require you to unload, and others to do tasks that require too much strength. I know from things I have heard that the companies do not really like to hire female drivers, but must by law, and pay them the same wages they pay men, even if they can't handle the job.
If any fellow driver needs my help, I try to assist them, and other drivers will sometimes help me with tasks like sliding tandems if they are stuck. Everyone needs help from time to time, and I don't mind helping a female truck driver either, but the concern I have is that they are taking on jobs where it is the rule they won't be able to do the job instead of the exception. One time, I was at a truck stop in West Virginia, and there was a female driver trying to back into a space. I watched her attempting this for 30 minutes, in what was a straight back, about as easy as it gets. Any new driver can have issues with backing. I did myself, so I asked her if she wanted help, and I assisted her in guiding her into the space. I would have backed it in for her, but I knew she needed to know how to back in the future. It turned out she was just out of truck driving school, was a divorced single mother, and this was her first day on the job. Her child was with her Mother while she was off driving.
I don't know the circumstances of the divorce, but if these jobs were not so readily available to women, I would think you would have far less broken homes, and children placed in this kind of situation. Couples would be forced to work things out if the wife was dependent on her husband. I can understand there are hard circumstances where the husband may be abusive to the wife and children, but I know that is not the main cause for most of the broken homes. It is usually just that neither one feel the need to honor their marriage vows because they are basically two independent people living in the same home, rather than two people that are looking at themselves as one flesh, walking in unity. This is the kind of damage feminism has done. God set up an order for the Christian home, where Christ is the head, the husband is next, then the wife, and then the children. The husband is to guide the home, and the Godly wife is supposed to walk in unity with her husband, and be his helpmeet. Unfortunately, as I already said, most women today don't do that, but they act as independent people, like they were single. They become as roommates with benefits, rather than Biblical wives. God has an order for a reason, and when we fail to follow it, everyone suffers.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 4, 2018 18:48:46 GMT -5
John, you’d be surprised by how many jobs were dumbed down over the years to accommodate affirmative action. I’ve heard this from old timers who saw the workplace drastically change in the 1970s. Employers had to resort to paint-by-numbers job duties so that “quota” hires wouldn’t burn the place down. Supervisors gradually embraced a tighter micro-managing style so the work got done without anyone getting fired.
What you’ve witnessed first hand is a phenomenon the experts call social loafing. It’s when people in a group expect extra help as the rule. They think the whole purpose of a team/group/industry is to alleviate individual effort. Nice guys like you are the ones who pay the tab.
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Post by Cletus on Dec 4, 2018 21:21:47 GMT -5
social loafing. now i know what its called.
they always want to ask for help or tell you so and so needs help but when you need help... i guess thats called a slice off the social loaf?
dont call us we'll call you!
I always just called it being lazy. but thats just so negative. social loafing sounds more "professional"
perhaps i am just to honest?
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 6, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -5
I find that being home is my calling.
I believe if your husband asks you to work outside the home, then you should, but there's a lot of reward in being a homemaker.
I don't think the Bible is against a wife making money. In fact in Proverbs 31 it seems that the skills the wife developed at home made her a successful business woman and a wise investor.
I enjoyed some of the jobs I worked and Im proud of my computer science degree. But I feel like I have more to show for my time developing my talents and skills at home than bringing in a paycheck.
I started staying at home to recover from hospitalization. At first I hated it. I felt like such a loser for not working.
I struggled with keeping the place clean especially. Getting in Christ made it easier. I could barely do two rooms/chores in a day but God's grace allowed me to accomplish each house chores within 12 hours.
Its so important to operate in God's will. When you obey Him in each little thing, He directs you to your calling.
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2020 19:41:51 GMT -5
I find that being home is my calling. I believe if your husband asks you to work outside the home, then you should, but there's a lot of reward in being a homemaker. I don't think the Bible is against a wide making money. In fact in Proverbs 31 it seems that the skills the wife developed at home made her a successful business woman and a wise investor. I enjoyed some of the jobs I worked and Im proud of my computer science degree. But I feel like I have more to show for my time developing my talents and skills at home than bringing in a paycheck. I started staying at home to recover from hospitalization. At first I hated it. I felt like such a loser for not working. I struggled with keeping the place clean especially. Getting in Christ made it easier. I could barely do two rooms/chores in a day but God's grace allowed me to accomplish each house chores within 12 hours. Its so important to operate in God's will. When you obey Him in each little thing, He directs you to your calling.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Mar 6, 2020 19:48:01 GMT -5
I find that being home is my calling. I believe if your husband asks you to work outside the home, then you should, but there's a lot of reward in being a homemaker. I don't think the Bible is against a wide making money. In fact in Proverbs 31 it seems that the skills the wife developed at home made her a successful business woman and a wise investor. I enjoyed some of the jobs I worked and Im proud of my computer science degree. But I feel like I have more to show for my time developing my talents and skills at home than bringing in a paycheck. I started staying at home to recover from hospitalization. At first I hated it. I felt like such a loser for not working. I struggled with keeping the place clean especially. Getting in Christ made it easier. I could barely do two rooms/chores in a day but God's grace allowed me to accomplish each house chores within 12 hours. Its so important to operate in God's will. When you obey Him in each little thing, He directs you to your calling.
Homemaking is definitely a job. People get paid to clean, care for children, cook, and all of those things. How is it not a job. If course homemakers can be lazy but you can have a public job and be lazy. You should strive for excellence in your calling. If your husband asks you to work, I think it's good to pray about the situation. God can work things out. But it wouldn't due to disrupt the unity of marriage to insist on staying home, I think. As a pastor, it's a different story. It's a leadership role. |
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Post by John on Mar 6, 2020 20:33:49 GMT -5
I agree with what you said, but I would add this. I do not think the husband should demand his wife work a public job. I feel like that is his responsibility to bring home the paycheck. I am not saying she should refuse to work a job if he tells her to, or if they are in a situation where it is necessary just to scrape by, but I have defended wives who wanted to be full time homemakers many times. I have had men tell me that they think their wives should work, because they felt like they had it so easy at home. That is not part of her curse. The women have enough to deal with already. Why should the men expect them to partake of their curse? Everyone should strive to follow the Biblical order when possible.
Homemaking is definitely a job. People get paid to clean, care for children, cook, and all of those things. How is it not a job. If course homemakers can be lazy but you can have a public job and be lazy. You should strive for excellence in your calling. If your husband asks you to work, I think it's good to pray about the situation. God can work things out. But it wouldn't due to disrupt the unity of marriage to insist on staying home, I think. As a pastor, it's a different story. It's a leadership role.
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