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Post by Giller on Sept 27, 2018 12:54:37 GMT -5
I find it's a type of peace that is full ,in some way or form, of the presence of God, unlike what is called peace in the world, or this so-called Yoga peace.
It is much different than the peace the world gives.
Joh 14:26-27 (26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (27) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
And it is called the fruit of the Spirit (big S) for a reason, which points to the Holy Spirit.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 27, 2018 13:07:57 GMT -5
Speaking of yoga peace, let me just throw this out there… this world can offer us peace with ourselves. That sounds great on the surface, but it isn’t peace with God. As soon as we are confronted with spiritual truth, “yoga peace” falls apart.
There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof is death. Many atheists and unbelievers want peace. Many of them can achieve a human semblance of peace, and it seems right. But it isn’t peace that passes all understanding, so it’s deficient to preserve them in the face of God’s inspection. Spiritual torment must be conquered by spiritual peace.
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Post by Giller on Sept 27, 2018 13:13:05 GMT -5
I am loving this thread, thanks Sister and PG4him for sharing and all others in case I forgot someone, I want to hear more, God bless.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 27, 2018 14:00:02 GMT -5
I find it's a type of peace that is full ,in some way or form, of the presence of God, unlike what is called peace in the world, or this so-called Yoga peace. It is much different than the peace the world gives. Joh 14:26-27 (26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (27) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. And it is called the fruit of the Spirit (big S) for a reason, which points to the Holy Spirit. Since you rightly emphasized the Holy Spirit's role in this, let me add a quick note. I'm not teaching any reliance on "positive thinking" to achieve the peace of God. This world has its own definition of beauty, and if you use the wrong definition, you'll end up with worldly peace. Say for example, worldly people attend a divorcee's second wedding. The first marriage went south for reasons 'other' than what the Bible allows. But no matter to the world; lots of carnal people cry at her second wedding because it's so beautiful. Ummm no this is not beauty. It's a sin. We can't make up our own standards of beauty. Also, we can't exactly be thankful for that beauty if we're not worshipping its Creator. Beauty doesn't exist only to make us happy. It points us toward the glory of God. Thus when we glorify God in our hearts and minds by choosing to thank Him for the good He has done, the Holy Spirit has something to work with. Let not your heart be troubled. If you find yourself hanging out with people who constantly trouble your thoughts and feelings, you're not letting peace rule in you. Peace can't rule in your heart at the same time you're letting worldly friends infect it with snarkiness. Guard your heart and don't let it be troubled.
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Post by John on Sept 27, 2018 14:02:45 GMT -5
To me, nothing will steal your peace like being in sin and nothing will bring you peace more than living in a way that pleases God.
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7
Walking in the Spirit brings peace because you will bear good fruit rather than fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. You will have a good conscience and you will know it is well with your soul. A lukewarm Christian is a person that lacks true peace.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 27, 2018 14:32:04 GMT -5
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4)
Wars and fights (definite lack of peace) come about due to lusts that wage war in our bodies. I've never thought James meant this only in the context of adultery/fornication. He's using lust here to describe uncontrollable hunger for things of the world. It could be a hunger for fame, fortune, property, you name it. It could be a hunger to prove ourselves right. We do stupid things to satisfy this hunger, and we end up in trouble.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (1 John 2:16)
People who can't control themselves -- whether it's their temper, their jealousy, their argumentative nature, whatever -- will be pulled into fleshly behavior, even if they're trying to serve God. Then they are at war with the Holy Spirit, which means they lose their peace. We have to make up our minds that nothing will make us so unstable we do stupid things.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 27, 2018 15:25:36 GMT -5
Sister Candace , YOU SPOT ON SISTER . my cousin has peace in his fourth marriage as does the entire family . But it is adultery . yet they got peace of mind about it . THAT is nothing more than this , THEIR is a way WHICH SEEEEEEEEEMS right unto a man but the end thereof is death .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 27, 2018 15:38:52 GMT -5
this is the thing dear sister Candace that lots of todays christains no longer realize . ONE sure can be given over to the delusion of their own heart . THEY got their false peace and nothing sways them . I seen it way too much . I say again I seen this way too much . example. some can teach to masturbate is not a sin . some can remarry OUTSIDE the biblical allowance . Some can heap that money up . BUT they all follow darkness and think ITS LIGHT . THIS REALLY DOES happen and it happens WAY MORE than most realize . WAY MORE . But I have come , to shut down false teachings , in the Spirit and power of HIS grace , to expose the lies and let no man or woman have any peace while in their sin .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 27, 2018 15:40:17 GMT -5
Their shall be no peace to the conscious of any man , woman or child that is in a willfull sin , IF I see it , IT GETS EXPOSED .
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 27, 2018 15:43:19 GMT -5
We can’t afford to leave one window or door left open to our minds. Mark my words, it will be open season for the enemy. And he might even convince you that you’re doing something noble. Been there, done that. Leave no stone unturned.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 27, 2018 15:44:11 GMT -5
I find it's a type of peace that is full ,in some way or form, of the presence of God, unlike what is called peace in the world, or this so-called Yoga peace. It is much different than the peace the world gives. Joh 14:26-27 (26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (27) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. And it is called the fruit of the Spirit (big S) for a reason, which points to the Holy Spirit. Since you rightly emphasized the Holy Spirit's role in this, let me add a quick note. I'm not teaching any reliance on "positive thinking" to achieve the peace of God. This world has its own definition of beauty, and if you use the wrong definition, you'll end up with worldly peace. Say for example, worldly people attend a divorcee's second wedding. The first marriage went south for reasons 'other' than what the Bible allows. But no matter to the world; lots of carnal people cry at her second wedding because it's so beautiful. Ummm no this is not beauty. It's a sin. We can't make up our own standards of beauty. Also, we can't exactly be thankful for that beauty if we're not worshipping its Creator. Beauty doesn't exist only to make us happy. It points us toward the glory of God. Thus when we glorify God in our hearts and minds by choosing to thank Him for the good He has done, the Holy Spirit has something to work with.
Let not your heart be troubled. If you find yourself hanging out with people who constantly trouble your thoughts and feelings, you're not letting peace rule in you. Peace can't rule in your heart at the same time you're letting worldly friends infect it with snarkiness. Guard your heart and don't let it be troubled. There is also a peace that comes when one chooses to believe God and worship Him in the midst of a bad situation. Without an assurance that He has all that pertains to us in His hands, there would be no peace, and definitely no sleep at night. Thinking of Daniel in the lion's den ... Jesus asleep in the ship during the storm ... Peter walking on the water with Jesus... peace that passes understanding usually requires extraordinary circumstances. We can find peace in our hearts just knowing Him, regardless of outward circumstances.
I'm late to the conversation, but trying to catch up...
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Post by frienduff on Sept 27, 2018 15:49:37 GMT -5
We can’t afford to leave one window or door left open to our minds. Mark my words, it will be open season for the enemy. And he might even convince you that you’re doing something noble. Been there, done that. Leave no stone unturned. THATS RIGHT SISTER . BY THE POWER of HIS GRACE we gonna FIGHT the GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH . die daily , pick up that cross, and FOLLOW THE LAMB. SING IT SISTER . RAISE THOSE HANDS and SING TO THE LORD . SING TO THE LORD . SING TO THE LORD . The lambs got all we need IN CHRIST to be overcomers of the evil . FORWARD .... MARCH .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 27, 2018 15:52:13 GMT -5
You mmight be late to the conversation , Sister abby , BUT YOU LOVED MY DEAR SISTER . better late than never . THROW those hands up sister abby .
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Post by Abby-Joy on Sept 27, 2018 16:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by John on Sept 27, 2018 16:41:14 GMT -5
Sister Candace , YOU SPOT ON SISTER . my cousin has peace in his fourth marriage as does the entire family . But it is adultery . yet they got peace of mind about it . THAT is nothing more than this , THEIR is a way WHICH SEEEEEEEEEMS right unto a man but the end thereof is death . He can claim he has peace, but you don't really know how he feels in his quiet times. I used to work with a man who was a Christian and he was in his fourth marriage. I said something to him about what Jesus taught on the subject, and he just said that all he knows is God is blessing them, so he feels okay about it. Of course, he was an OSAS Baptist, which is part of the problem for many.
I am not someone who believes there is no forgiveness for adultery, and I don't say someone like that must split with his wife, but these are people who don't even acknowledge what Jesus taught, and won't admit they did anything wrong. You can't make things right with God till you admit your sins. You must confess them to get right. There is a guy at another message board that is a preacher in something like his 3rd marriage and his wife has also been married multiple times. He won't acknowledge they did anything wrong. There are Biblical grounds for divorce and re-marriage (fornication), but these men don't even claim there was fornication involved. It was some kind of abuse, a word that has little meaning anymore. Abuse can be speaking unkind and making your spouse feel bad.
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