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Post by frienduff on Apr 28, 2018 18:50:03 GMT -5
Over the years and specially as of late , it became very clear why so many see the bible as confusing and run to men for answers . Due to certain man made concepts that have been taught , say for example OSAS. The men that came up with these original concepts , also twisted scripture to support their ideals . Then when anyone reads what is plain in the bible , like in Hebrews or peter, or romans or corithinans and it clearly states how people can fall away Their mind is like what , this makes no sense because OSAS. Men have used herumnatics to support OSAS , they use it to say this don't mean what it says or they say things like he was talking to jews only , or whatever the case is . And people just heed their teachers . Instead we need to pray to GOD , and earnestly seek HIM for TRUTH and n time I promise things will become clearer and clearer. This is also why when some of us exhort to BE HOLY , they accuse us of works earning cause men have trained them to see it this way . Men have warped the scrips and trained people to actually see exhortations , warnings , reminders , to be seen as WORKS . They have deceived people so bad, I hear them say people cannot fall away . IF that were the case , THEN why on earth and in so many places in the original letters was their SO MUCH WARNING. WHY would GOD tell the seven churches REPENT or else , If once saved ALWAYS saved . But they try and teach this is not about salvation . Candle getting put out IS ABOUT salvation . We have got to stop heeding men and fast . We are in the most deceptive days ever and its only getting worse . THIS is how they deceive they always say OH it don't mean that , here try our greek, try our heurmantics , try this or that scholar. IF by grace this wee thing can learn . ANYONE CAN. SO flee and start over . Just start over in the bible , read it for yourself and PRAY TO GOD and GOD will make things clear and they get more clear in time . ALL we truly need is THE HOLY SPIRIT . Sure they are well learned men who could help. DUE to how many are false these days , MY ADVICE read it for yourselves .
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Post by frienduff on Apr 28, 2018 19:39:53 GMT -5
Sister pg4him. you loved sister . praise the Lord peoples , yes its that time again , Praise the Lord .
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Post by PG4Him on Apr 28, 2018 20:29:22 GMT -5
Read the Bible with your own eyes, put man-made teaching aside, and see what the Word really says!!
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Post by 2fw8212a on Apr 28, 2018 20:57:19 GMT -5
Men have warped the scrips and trained people to actually see exhortations , warnings , reminders , to be seen as WORKS . What is interesting is that when we encourage to be like Jesus and cultivate the fruits of the Spirit in our lives they say we will be condemned for not trusting in Him as we will be working to be saved.
"You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit." - Matthew 7:16-17
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me." - John 15:4
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." - John 15:6
If good things cannot be encouraged and pursued wholeheartedly, then what will we do?! To keep lukewarm is the answer.
"But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one." - Matthew 5:37Just start over in the bible , read it for yourself and PRAY TO GOD and GOD will make things clear and they get more clear in time .
I never read the KJV version of the bible, I did not even read it in English and we agree on the most important things concerning the faith.
And I never see you in my life, then it is impossible that we have combined things.
Then it is not a translation or language issue, it is a spiritual issue. People have to be led by the Holy Spirit to learn the truth, and not by their own understanding like many are doing.
The answer for such heresies that discourage people to stay in the Lord is that they do not love Him. Or we are for Him or we are against Him. "But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience." - Luke 8:15
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Post by ironman on Apr 29, 2018 17:01:21 GMT -5
The Bible is God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things. It is the power of God unto eternal salvation and it is the source of present help for the body, soul, and spirit (Rom. 1:16; John 15:7). It is God's will and testament to men in all ages, revealing the plan of God for man here and now and in the next life. It is the record of God's dealings with man; past, present, and future. It contains God's message of eternal salvation to all people who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who knowingly and willingly rebel against the gospel.
The Bible is a simple book to understand because it was given by God to be understood by the simple. Following the commonly accepted argument that a perfect God cannot make anything imperfect, we can scripturally say that God did not fail in His purpose of giving man a simple revelation that could be easily understood by all men alike, even by the simple (Deut. 29:29; Ps. 119:104, 140; Proverbs 1:1-4; 2 Timothy 3:15-17). Paul speaks of "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3). Jesus thanked God that the truths of the Bible were hidden from the worldly wise who refused to believe, and stated that God has "revealed them unto babes" (Matt. 11:25-27). He gives the reason truths are hidden from anyone. It is because they refuse to humble themselves to believe and conform to the Bible (Matt.13:10-17). Jesus speaks of the devil taking the Word from the hearts of men lest it should bring forth fruit (Matt. 13:19-23. Paul also speaks of the devil blinding the minds of men lest they should believe, and he also speaks of men wilfully handling the Word of God dishonestly and deceitfully (2 Cor. 4:1-6).
The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time, for this is the way it was given, and it is the best way to understand it (Isa. 28:9-13). No man can get the vastness of the Bible at once. It is the infinite scope of the Bible truth that causes some men to think the Bible is hard to understand. Its like someone saying they cannot understand water because they cannot drink the whole ocean dry in one drink.
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Post by John on Apr 29, 2018 17:50:45 GMT -5
The Bible is God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things. It is the power of God unto eternal salvation and it is the source of present help for the body, soul, and spirit (Rom. 1:16; John 15:7). It is God's will and testament to men in all ages, revealing the plan of God for man here and now and in the next life. It is the record of God's dealings with man; past, present, and future. It contains God's message of eternal salvation to all people who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who knowingly and willingly rebel against the gospel. The Bible is a simple book to understand because it was given by God to be understood by the simple. Following the commonly accepted argument that a perfect God cannot make anything imperfect, we can scripturally say that God did not fail in His purpose of giving man a simple revelation that could be easily understood by all men alike, even by the simple (Deut. 29:29; Ps. 119:104, 140; Proverbs 1:1-4; 2 Timothy 3:15-17). Paul speaks of "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3). Jesus thanked God that the truths of the Bible were hidden from the worldly wise who refused to believe, and stated that God has "revealed them unto babes" (Matt. 11:25-27). He gives the reason truths are hidden from anyone. It is because they refuse to humble themselves to believe and conform to the Bible (Matt.13:10-17). Jesus speaks of the devil taking the Word from the hearts of men lest it should bring forth fruit (Matt. 13:19-23. Paul also speaks of the devil blinding the minds of men lest they should believe, and he also speaks of men wilfully handling the Word of God dishonestly and deceitfully (2 Cor. 4:1-6). The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time, for this is the way it was given, and it is the best way to understand it (Isa. 28:9-13). No man can get the vastness of the Bible at once. It is the infinite scope of the Bible truth that causes some men to think the Bible is hard to understand. Its like someone saying they cannot understand water because they cannot drink the whole ocean dry in one drink. I agree with you Ironman. It is nice to meet you, and I am glad you decided to contribute to this thread. Come back anytime.
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Post by ironman on Apr 29, 2018 18:37:37 GMT -5
Thank you.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 29, 2018 19:57:20 GMT -5
Praise the Lord IRONMAN. Praise the LORD . Come back and visit .
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Post by karanbac on May 6, 2018 17:45:54 GMT -5
The Bible is for believers only. Nonbelievers will not understand nor discern the things of God and God tells us this in His Word. Mans errors in understanding what was said, in what context it was said, who is the author and what is the occasion that s/he is writing for God is caused by mans failure to be born again, by being lead by his already preconceived notions of what he believes, traditions or bias or family influences.
Those who thirst for the meat of Gods Word will seek it and find it. Unbelievers will have trouble with Gods Truth and many will try to justify their errors claiming they are truth and the Bible is not. Theres only a remnant that God will save, think like Noah and his family out of millions.....8 out of millions. The narrow road is truly THAT narrow.
It will be just you and Jesus. Now that’s something to think about.
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Post by frienduff on May 6, 2018 18:06:19 GMT -5
The Bible is for believers only. Nonbelievers will not understand nor discern the things of God and God tells us this in His Word. Mans errors in understanding what was said, in what context it was said, who is the author and what is the occasion that s/he is writing for God is caused by mans failure to be born again, by being lead by his already preconceived notions of what he believes, traditions or bias or family influences. Those who thirst for the meat of Gods Word will seek it and find it. Unbelievers will have trouble with Gods Truth and many will try to justify their errors claiming they are truth and the Bible is not. Theres only a remnant that God will save, think like Noah and his family out of millions.....8 out of millions. The narrow road is truly THAT narrow. It will be just you and Jesus. Now that’s something to think about.
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Post by frienduff on May 6, 2018 18:08:06 GMT -5
MR LEE agrees . Ed Zach LEE. IF one continues not following CHRIST , they are only being led to death . FOLLOW HIM FAITHFUL to the END or the end wont bode well . Sing it karanbac. And on that note , I bet you already KNOW what time it is , OH YEAH , LORD PRAISING TIME .
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Post by karanbac on May 6, 2018 19:24:31 GMT -5
Thank You Lord for another great day! And bless us tomorrow as You will, amen!!!
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Post by tlsitd on May 9, 2018 6:56:25 GMT -5
Men have warped the scrips and trained people to actually see exhortations , warnings , reminders , to be seen as WORKS . What is interesting is that when we encourage to be like Jesus and cultivate the fruits of the Spirit in our lives they say we will be condemned for not trusting in Him as we will be working to be saved.
"You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit." - Matthew 7:16-17
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me." - John 15:4
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." - John 15:6
If good things cannot be encouraged and pursued wholeheartedly, then what will we do?! To keep lukewarm is the answer.
"But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one." - Matthew 5:37Just start over in the bible , read it for yourself and PRAY TO GOD and GOD will make things clear and they get more clear in time .
I never read the KJV version of the bible, I did not even read it in English and we agree on the most important things concerning the faith.
And I never see you in my life, then it is impossible that we have combined things.
Then it is not a translation or language issue, it is a spiritual issue. People have to be led by the Holy Spirit to learn the truth, and not by their own understanding like many are doing.
The answer for such heresies that discourage people to stay in the Lord is that they do not love Him. Or we are for Him or we are against Him. "But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience." - Luke 8:15
Amen!
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Post by tlsitd on May 9, 2018 7:25:49 GMT -5
The Bible is for believers only. Nonbelievers will not understand nor discern the things of God and God tells us this in His Word. Mans errors in understanding what was said, in what context it was said, who is the author and what is the occasion that s/he is writing for God is caused by mans failure to be born again, by being lead by his already preconceived notions of what he believes, traditions or bias or family influences. Those who thirst for the meat of Gods Word will seek it and find it. Unbelievers will have trouble with Gods Truth and many will try to justify their errors claiming they are truth and the Bible is not. Theres only a remnant that God will save, think like Noah and his family out of millions.....8 out of millions. The narrow road is truly THAT narrow. It will be just you and Jesus. Now that’s something to think about. It is true that unbelievers can't correctly understand or grasp the spiritual truths of the Bible (which require the interpretation/teaching of the Holy Spirit to rightly understand); but that's not the only reason people misunderstand the Scriptures---that they aren't truly born again. There are lots of spiritual infants who simply haven't yet received the understanding of various truths. Nobody starts out knowing everything---and if we don't apply what we learn faithfully, God won't give us more to understand. This is a major cause of the doctrinal confusion among the saints, with regard to understanding and knowing with God-given certainty what is correct and what isn't: They're not keeping what they read as they ought to be. (And they're not seeking either, but relying on their pastors to tell them whatever they need to know, because they're spiritually lazy and have other priorities besides studying the word for themselves, and they don't bother checking what they hear.) Obedience is necessary for understanding. Make God your priority---knowing Him better and living to please Him---and be diligent in applying what you know, and more light will be added to you. Choose not to use the light (truth) you've been given to walk by as you ought, and you will not receive more---and may even be in danger of having the Source of your light taken away. We can seek as much as we want, study every translation of the Bible we want, study Greek and Hebrew, but if we're not applying what we already know, we're only going to be confused, and the knowledge we have will be what we THINK is correct rather than what actually is. God is the source of our understanding, and not His word only. What is most important is to obey the Author in everything you know, and He will make His word clear to you and continue to increase your understanding. About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principals of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. (Hebrews 5:11-14) (You can be 50 years in Christ and still not have the understanding of a Christian half your age. Spiritual maturity and greater understanding of God's word doesn't necessarily come with increased physical age. It's all about what we're doing with our time, and what we do with what we know---as well as the motives and attitude of our heart---which God knows; and He responds to us accordingly.)
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Post by PG4Him on May 9, 2018 8:28:05 GMT -5
There’s also the issue of many people just barely being functionally literate. They have very short attention spans, and they don’t learn/practice the fundamentals of reading comprehension.
And they think the Bible is too mystic. i had a Christian friend who was afraid to do any sort of common-sense analysis because he thought it was a sin to study with his mental reason.
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