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Post by PG4Him on Jun 28, 2018 9:28:56 GMT -5
"However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting." - Matthew 17:21
"He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy." - Proverbs 28:13
"If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:31-32 Repentance is what gives us a relationship with God, which opens up access to the throne of grace. Without forgiveness, we cannot even get that far. But, Jesus won't shove deliverance on us. We must take advantage of our freedom to do something about it.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 28, 2018 10:18:52 GMT -5
I won’t stand in rebellion to what our admins teach on this. Far be it from me to rebuke an elder. My thoughts have been spoken, and that’s all I can do. Please feel free to minister to Tyler as you see fit.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 28, 2018 11:00:48 GMT -5
I won’t stand in rebellion to what our admins teach on this. Far be it from me to rebuke an elder. My thoughts have been spoken, and that’s all I can do. Please feel free to minister to Tyler as you see fit. "Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity." - 1 Timothy 5:1-2
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 28, 2018 11:56:29 GMT -5
"Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity." - 1 Timothy 5:1-2 I don’t think I’ve seen another Christian quote that verse in the last ten years.
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Post by tlsitd on Jun 28, 2018 12:20:26 GMT -5
Tyler22 contacted me today. Thankfully, he is still with us. He didn't commit suicide, but he did say he is still being harassed by a lying spirit that keeps telling him he is going to hell. The spirit has been telling him that the more sins he accumulates in this life, the more his torments will be in hell, and also telling him that he went too far and cannot be saved. He seems to have believed me that the spirit is lying to him, but he still needs prayer. It is a difficult thing to continually be bombarded by lying spirits. Over time, they can wear you down. Let's remember him.
We shall pray for him . But butero, somewhere in his walk he has to be way off . And is under a tormenting spirit . He needs to REPENT of something butero. Perhaps he is living in obitual sin . Remember when saul messed up , God allowed a spirit of torment to come upon him. IT only eased when DAVID would play the harp . WE need to pray and find out WHERE this tyler has erred . THIS IS a tormenting spirit and he needs to repent of something .
I would agree, Frienduff. That sort of attack doesn't just come on a Christian out of the blue. There may be times when a Christian who is faithfully following and serving the Lord may be under demonic attack because the demons are trying to overthrow him or her and hinder or prevent what Jesus is doing through him or her, but most of the time, unfortunately, it's because the Christian is involved in something or doing something he or she shouldn't be---like studying demonic things or watching porn. So often there's more to the story than what we are told by other Christians or professing Christians; we hear about the distress, but don't see the whole picture. We just have to pray for God to deal with the situation according to what He knows about it and knows that the individual needs, because we don't know. The distress could be a test of faith, or it could be chastening. Whatever the case may be with Tyler, I certainly hope, and am praying, that Jesus does for him whatever He knows he needs, and that Tyler responds appropriately in whatever way he may need to.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jun 28, 2018 12:25:32 GMT -5
That is always a possibility Frienduff. I have counseled him to confess any known sins and to ask forgiveness for anything he may have done wrong and didn't know about. I even invited him to the live prayer meeting if he wants to come. It could just be that an evil spirit knows he is weak in his faith, and that he doesn't know how to take authority over it. I guess we need discernment from the Lord. It does seem there is a stronghold somewhere. (Could be occult, even, but somewhere there is an open door for these tormenting spirits.) I was so susceptible to things like this at times during my earlier years walking with the Lord. I didn't know what was at the root until much later, but praise God, He brought me to it and through it... and continues to keep me.
I have received so much condemnation from probably 95% of the Christians I've met, over (what they call) "dwelling in the past." But when I meet those, I keep walking and choose not to stay there in condemnation, because it was God Himself who led me "back there" (not a counselor, but THE Counselor). He did so, in order to reveal to me what was at the roots of my struggle... for the purpose of my FREEDOM and HEALING.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 28, 2018 12:42:09 GMT -5
Lil abby it don't and wont matter what the pope and others think or say about ya , I loves ya sister . Now throw those hands up in praise TO THE LORD .
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Post by John on Jun 29, 2018 3:55:13 GMT -5
We shall pray for him . But butero, somewhere in his walk he has to be way off . And is under a tormenting spirit . He needs to REPENT of something butero. Perhaps he is living in obitual sin . Remember when saul messed up , God allowed a spirit of torment to come upon him. IT only eased when DAVID would play the harp WE need to pray and find out WHERE this tyler has erred . THIS IS a tormenting spirit and he needs to repent of something . Sin will definitely help a tormenting spirit get access to a person. No doubt about that. But the thing is, sometimes a tormenter can grow so strong in a person, that even when they repent, the tormenter doesn't take no for an answer. Jesus told us some spirits only come out by prayer and fasting. Repentance is the beginning, but it isn't always enough. Tyler can only get rid of this when he has enough faith to know that Jesus wants him delivered. If Tyler remains halfway convinced that Jesus can't/wont stop the attack, he will never take authority to boldly cast this thing off him. Tyler needs a revelation that this thing is t ruly, completely a lying liar scumbag with no power over him, and that Jesus is standing by with all of the power he needs for deliverance. If you get Tyler to get open up about his feelings, you will probably see, not hidden sin at this point, but lukewarm faith that Jesus really wants to help him. He finally believes this thing is lying. That's a good start. Now he needs to encounter the truth that Jesus is fighting for him. I think you are probably right about this sister Candance. I have no reason to think he is still in sin, but it seems like he is just dealing with a spirit that won't leave him alone.
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Post by Cletus on Jun 29, 2018 14:54:15 GMT -5
Will pray. been sick. i have been wondering whats up with quik. and hippie too.
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Post by John on Jun 29, 2018 15:13:36 GMT -5
Will pray. been sick. i have been wondering whats up with quik. and hippie too. I hope you are feeling better.
Kwik is okay. I spoke to her by email. She is just too busy to spend time at WCF. She is into landscaping. She hasn't been at WCF since December. I have no idea about Hippie.
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Post by Cletus on Jun 29, 2018 18:48:46 GMT -5
Will pray. been sick. i have been wondering whats up with quik. and hippie too. I hope you are feeling better.
Kwik is okay. I spoke to her by email. She is just too busy to spend time at WCF. She is into landscaping. She hasn't been at WCF since December. I have no idea about Hippie.
I had a feeling quik was ok. based on what a nurse told me who had this same bug i am only about half way thru this, but i am fighting. feeling better comes and goes.
please keep us posted on tyler.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 29, 2018 21:05:29 GMT -5
I hope you are feeling better.
Kwik is okay. I spoke to her by email. She is just too busy to spend time at WCF. She is into landscaping. She hasn't been at WCF since December. I have no idea about Hippie.
I had a feeling quik was ok. based on what a nurse told me who had this same bug i am only about half way thru this, but i am fighting. feeling better comes and goes.
please keep us posted on tyler.
Cletus is it a belly bug or the flu. Either way we will pray for you . You loved Cletus .
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Post by Cletus on Jun 29, 2018 22:03:49 GMT -5
I had a feeling quik was ok. based on what a nurse told me who had this same bug i am only about half way thru this, but i am fighting. feeling better comes and goes.
please keep us posted on tyler.
Cletus is it a belly bug or the flu. Either way we will pray for you . You loved Cletus . thanks. i dont know what it is. its flu like. I do not seem to have it as bad as i have heard others are getting it. Thank God for that. I have been praying, and taking some meds to combat it as well as probiotic pills.
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Post by ladypeartree on Jun 30, 2018 3:15:14 GMT -5
Could be a type of hay fever that is mimicking the flu due to the unusually hot weather we are having ? Even people that have never suffered from hay fever are getting it and we have a government warning out about something they call thunder air ..apparently it sucks the pollen up higher and breaks it into much smaller pieces that get through the body's normal defences
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Post by karanbac on Jun 30, 2018 7:31:11 GMT -5
Job was also harassed by the devil and he did nothing wrong. May God give Tyler the strength to endure and reach out for human help now for support! He may never know why he is going thru this but we know it’s all for Gods glory in the end! Keep on with the fight Tyler!! Amen.
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