I looked up John 7:19 in Greek and in multiple translations. Nowhere is “cannot” even slightly implied. Jesus simply said they do not.
I agree. This is an example of how people will make minor changes to the plain meaning of the text that will give it a completely different meaning. Why would God give us a law nobody could keep and he doesn't expect us to keep? Why would he play those kind of games with his people? I recognize that there are so many ordinances in the law of Moses, people would break minor things by mistake all the time, but God gave them the Levitical Priesthood, so that when they failed to do everything just right, an animal sacrifice would allow them to remain in right standing with God. This idea that God only gave the law so men and women would see how hopeless it was to even try to follow it and understand we can only be saved by grace is preposterous. It is a man-made doctrine. God gave the law because He is a Holy God and expected His people to live a holy lifestyle.
Wow. You just described word for word the teaching about the Old Testament laws Ive heard growing up.
Paul didn’t say the law was technically impossible; he said it was demoralizing and it never got easier. There is a difference.
If redemption/perfection under the Torah was impossible, that means Moses, Samuel, Isaiah, and Daniel died lost.
Yahuweh (the Creator) clearly stated throughout TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT that no man could be saved by keeping and honoring TORAH - even to start with, we are all enemies of God, as sinners dead in trespasses and sin, and perfectly keeping TORAH could not and can not and would not atone for sins nor save anyone eternally.
I don't remember anywhere in Scripture, any of the men of God, claiming the TORAH was demoralizing - JUST THE OPPOSITE ! It is LIGHT ! It is meant to lead us TO CHRIST, as written.
"Easier" --- JESUS says plainly ---- MY COMMANDMANTS are NOT burdensome.....
And Moses, Samuel, Isaiah and Daniel kept Yahuweh's commandments/ TORAH, and were/are called FAITHFUL by Yahuweh(God) Himself, in His Word and Spirit.
They were SAVED / CIRCUMCISED of heart/ by the SAME CREATOR AS Ekklesia in the New Testament ! BY FAITH, as written in God's Word.
Those who died lost were /are/ condemned likewise for the same reason: UNbelief. Not for not being perfect by TORAH.
Here is what you said Joseph. "perfectly keeping TORAH could not and can not and would not atone for sins nor save anyone eternally." The problem is, nobody made the claim it would or could. What I said was that Jesus never claimed that we could not keep the Law of Moses, because He never said that. He told individuals they don't keep it. We all recognize that faith in God is what saves us, and keeping the law in Old Testament times was evidence of faith, as good works and living right are evidence of true faith today. There has been a lot of false teaching made mostly by the OSAS crowd that God knew nobody could keep the law, so he gave it just to prove it to us. That is absurd. He added the office of the Levitical Priesthood to the law of Moses for times people came up short by mistake. He created a way where men and women could be accepted in spite of themselves, but he always expected them to do their best in keeping His laws.
Tabitha3319: At our church, God has been speaking to us through tongues and interpretation
Oct 14, 2021 20:21:54 GMT -5
John: I have been in many services where that occurred, not so much lately. It was common back in the 80s.
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Tabitha3319: I often just feel led to pray for miraculous healing.
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Tabitha3319: Once, it affected the person immediately
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John: That is good. I was watching "It's Supernatural" the other day, and one of the guests was this lady who had been praying for the sick and seeing miracles since she was a little child. She just believed God would do it, and He did.
Oct 14, 2021 20:23:29 GMT -5
John: I think the first time she healed someone was when she was 5 years old. The faith of a child!
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Tabitha3319: Faith can be so simple sometimes.
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Tabitha3319: John, Im going to get ready for sleep. Thanks for praying and chatting.
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John: Let me know the results of the test when you add it all up. Have a good night's rest. I need to get to bed too. I have to deliver a load in the morning before heading home. God bless.
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Tabitha3319: Okay. God bless you too
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John: Goodnight to you too notme. May the Lord bless you too.
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Giller: Hi me brothers and sisters
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ohhello: Good evening. Let’s all keep focused on the biblical Lord Jesus and stay reading our KJV Bibles. You are all loved and prayed for.
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frienduff: Hello giller , john and all . Let us praise our glorious Lord .
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John: Hello everyone. Praise and honor and glory to King Jesus. No matter what we face, He is with us.
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