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Post by PG4Him on Nov 17, 2018 10:42:24 GMT -5
Sometimes we Christians can get so invested in debating the trees that we start to take the forest for granted. Once there was a time when different cultures disagreed on pretty much every big-picture principle of our universe. Things that we no longer give a second thought were once very much up for debate. To have a conversation about science in the Bible, I thought I’d start with establishing some big ideas that modern science has been forced to admit.
1) The laws that govern our universe exist above and beyond it.
This was the biggest sticking point for millennia. To say there was anything beyond the universe was flatly assumed to be anti-science. All of the “important” societies with any sort of scientific rigor were quite sure that our universe was a self-contained reality. Modern physicists — even the hardcore atheists — have since learned that our universe is controlled by forces beyond it. This universe is a created thing (not its own creator) governed and managed by powerful forces that seem to be elsewhere. Sounds like theology? It’s also modern physics. Genesis won that debate against all odds.
2) Everything that counts as a real force is invisible.
Governance of our universe is carried out entirely through invisible mechanisms. Every kind of energy is invisible. Every law of physics is invisible. The physical matter you can touch with your hands is always an object at the mercy of invisible forces. True reality is everything we cannot see. Christians fail to appreciate just how shocking this has been for science to admit. The Bible won this debate against all odds.
3) An abrupt and spontaneous moment of creation gave us our universe.
This was also a huge sticking point for years upon years. The Genesis account of split-second creation at the arbitrary behest of an outside force was ridiculed. Now it’s mainstream physics. This is a big deal.
4) Light is the only thing we can really see.
5) Our view of any object is completely dependent on our source of light.
6) Light and sound (ahem, voice) seem to have come from the same source.
7) Time is taking its toll on the universe.
I’d say this is enough for now. I’m trying to get back to basics with the real big-picture issues before we get into details. All of these points were hotly debated for many years. The Bible won on every point.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Nov 17, 2018 12:12:14 GMT -5
Could you please offer source for some of your alleged points? Such as this:
I think it would be nice to cite sources to prove your point, otherwise it is just words.
And as you are referring to science, then it is not a matter of faith, then one cannot simply receive it.
Blessings!
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 17, 2018 12:28:54 GMT -5
I posted a video on this a while back, but I don’t think anyone watched it. I can try again.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Nov 17, 2018 13:11:28 GMT -5
I posted a video on this a while back, but I don’t think anyone watched it. I can try again. I rarely watch videos. I like to read.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 7:24:59 GMT -5
Sometimes we Christians can get so invested in debating the trees that we start to take the forest for granted. Once there was a time when different cultures disagreed on pretty much every big-picture principle of our universe. Things that we no longer give a second thought were once very much up for debate. To have a conversation about science in the Bible, I thought I’d start with establishing some big ideas that modern science has been forced to admit. 1) The laws that govern our universe exist above and beyond it. This was the biggest sticking point for millennia. To say there was anything beyond the universe was flatly assumed to be anti-science. All of the “important” societies with any sort of scientific rigor were quite sure that our universe was a self-contained reality. Modern physicists — even the hardcore atheists — have since learned that our universe is controlled by forces beyond it. This universe is a created thing (not its own creator) governed and managed by powerful forces that seem to be elsewhere. Sounds like theology? It’s also modern physics. Genesis won that debate against all odds. 2) Everything that counts as a real force is invisible. Governance of our universe is carried out entirely through invisible mechanisms. Every kind of energy is invisible. Every law of physics is invisible. The physical matter you can touch with your hands is always an object at the mercy of invisible forces. True reality is everything we cannot see. Christians fail to appreciate just how shocking this has been for science to admit. The Bible won this debate against all odds. 3) An abrupt and spontaneous moment of creation gave us our universe. This was also a huge sticking point for years upon years. The Genesis account of split-second creation at the arbitrary behest of an outside force was ridiculed. Now it’s mainstream physics. This is a big deal. 4) Light is the only thing we can really see. 5) Our view of any object is completely dependent on our source of light. 6) Light and sound (ahem, voice) seem to have come from the same source. 7) Time is taking its toll on the universe. I’d say this is enough for now. I’m trying to get back to basics with the real big-picture issues before we get into details. All of these points were hotly debated for many years. The Bible won on every point. I agree sister......science itself is not an enemy of the faith, since scripture says creation itself testifies about what may be known of God..and even the heavens declare His glory. It doesn't seem out of line to think that there could be a bigger testimony to unbelievers about God towards the end, as scientists learn more about creation.....before He judges this world. To me the more that is discovered, the more amazed I am at the utter greatness and genius of our God who made it all! It doesn't threaten my faith.....on the contrary the science only affirms it....once the dots are connected properly in both science and understanding of scripture, which is still a work in progress.
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Post by John on Nov 18, 2018 8:14:13 GMT -5
Could you please offer source for some of your alleged points? Such as this:
I think it would be nice to cite sources to prove your point, otherwise it is just words.
And as you are referring to science, then it is not a matter of faith, then one cannot simply receive it.
Blessings! I don't know what Candance might say, but I would defer to Romans chapter one. It states that the creation itself shows everyone that God exists, which would therefore mean it shows his existence to modern physicists and hardcore atheists. They may deny it, but it has been shown to them. They have learned it by observing.
The comment she made was pretty general, but I guess your real question is, do we have data to show that at least the majority of modern science has admitted the ideas she mentioned are truth? I admit that I don't know the answer to that question. I have never taken the time to see what scientists are saying. Regardless, I would have to say that her conclusions are correct, and that is more important than what people think.
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Post by John on Nov 18, 2018 8:16:43 GMT -5
I posted a video on this a while back, but I don’t think anyone watched it. I can try again. I rarely watch videos. I like to read. Some videos are very informative. I would watch more than I do, but I only have so many hours in the day. Of course, the same goes for reading. Even if nobody watches it, a video would be every bit as valid as written material in proving a point, provided the material presented was accurate.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 18, 2018 9:36:33 GMT -5
This short clip is a pretty good summary of what modern physicists discuss among themselves. I’m not endorsing everything he says — I want you to listen to the words coming out of his mouth so you can appreciate how much the supernatural has taken over physics.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 18, 2018 10:25:44 GMT -5
This video is a bit more substantial while also being short/basic enough to absorb.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Nov 18, 2018 11:09:23 GMT -5
This short clip is a pretty good summary of what modern physicists discuss among themselves. I’m not endorsing everything he says — I want you to listen to the words coming out of his mouth so you can appreciate how much the supernatural has taken over physics. Yes, they are acknowledging the spiritual realm exists. I'll try to listen to this and the other video a little later today. I recognize this man to be very much tied to CERN. And I know these men are presented with the truth of God's existence right before their eyes. Yet, they are moving in deception, seeking to open portals to release entities.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 18, 2018 11:43:46 GMT -5
The implications of this are certainly opening doors for nefarious possibilities. He’s clearly describing attempts to invade the supernatural dimensions for self-serving reasons. But still, if you said a hundred years ago that physics would become more spiritual while the mainstream church became more material, you’d have been laughed at. We can’t afford to ignore what’s going on here. This has heavy implications for end-time events.
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Post by John on Nov 18, 2018 14:54:38 GMT -5
This video is a bit more substantial while also being short/basic enough to absorb. This person is espousing the same theory I was to explain the Mandela Effect if it were real. That we exist in the mind of God. When a person writes a novel, real people exist and have adventures in the writer's mind. His thoughts about them can do a rewrite of past events, until they are put down on paper. That is one way names and events can be easily altered by our creator. He simple thinks it and the change occurs. Under this scenario, God could rewrite history in a moment. I am not saying this is correct, but if I was to embrace the Mandela Effect, it is the most logical way it is happening.
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Post by John on Nov 18, 2018 15:00:26 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I am not advocating for the Mandela Effect. I think it is most likely tricks our minds are playing on us. Interesting videos. I have never studied string theory, but I have heard of it. Very interesting.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 18, 2018 15:47:07 GMT -5
Not only does this mean we were all created by a Person with a mind, it also means this material world around us will only manifest a solid matter when our minds take it in as such. There is no solid matter until a human mind observes it. We are basically surrounded by light and energy which are programmed to appear as solid matter upon interaction with humans. So one great conscious mind created billions of other conscious minds and then fabricated a universe for us to see and hear.
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Post by Cletus on Nov 18, 2018 15:54:47 GMT -5
Who is that guy in the video... the asain looking fella? He is the trillion watt laser guy, he said that on the news talking about weather manipulation being a "game changer"
whats his name. anyone know?
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