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Post by John on Nov 28, 2018 8:28:52 GMT -5
We are living in the last days, and there is a huge assault taking place on God's Word, like nothing I have seen before. Some of these assaults are obvious, like the way the Bible has been changed in modern translations to change the meaning and leave out passages. Then there are those who claim the Bible is a book of letters of men, with their own thoughts injected into them, where we don't have to fully follow them. We have people claiming that only the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are fully reliable, so we can't fully trust all we read. Now we have the Mandela Effect, where supposedly the devil's followers are changing the text in our original Bibles. God has preserved his Word. It is our KJV Bible. There is no reason to doubt it. The devil does have power, but not enough to alter the pages of Bibles that were printed decades ago, and there is no way that God would allow him to do that.
I try to keep an open mind about things, and I did look at numerous videos about the Mandela Effect. It is a lie. It is not like this was a waste of my time or unimportant. I am thankful people brought this to my attention. It exposed a truly diabolical scheme of the devil, and I hope that those who have been caught up in this deception will consider what is really going on. You are not crazy. You are not stupid. The devil's crowd understands how our minds work, and they came up with this very clever scheme to deceive us. We have to be on guard about this kind of thing because we will probably see more things like this in the future.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Nov 28, 2018 9:06:26 GMT -5
...God has preserved his Word. It is our KJV Bible...
I do not think it is limited only to the KJV Bible. And when I say this I talk about other translations in other languages.
Otherwise it would mean that only English speakers has The Word of God (limiting knowledge of truth and salvation to English speakers) as this is obviously not the case.
I believe how God has preserved His Word and made it available is a complex scheme that is, by no means, limited to the KJV only.
I believe the KJV is a good translation, so is the ARC and ACF which are the most trusted/used translations in Brazil.
Then, I do not believe it is limited to the KJV only. It is a matter of faith and each one has their own.
To limit the Word of God to a single book (e.g. KJV only) is forcing people to your personal faith and also to limit the power of God in preserving His own word.
That is what I believe.
And yes, you can read other translations and still be reading God's Word.
"You will know them by their fruits..." - Matthew 7:16
"...Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." - Mark 10:18
"Therefore by their fruits you will know them." - Matthew 7:20
Blessings!
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2018 9:29:20 GMT -5
That is true regarding other languages, if the foundation is the original Textus Receptus manuscripts.
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2018 9:50:51 GMT -5
Here is an illustration of one major flaw in many Bible translations. Let's say I have a group of recipes, and I let a friend copy them. He does, but in a hurry and ingredients are left out and measurements are wrong in some places. He puts them up for safe keeping. One person finds my originals and makes a Cook Book out of them. Many years later, a person finds the inaccurate copies and makes a Cook Book from it. Both do not contain my recipes.
It is the same with the Bible. The KJV translators started with the originals, while most new translations began with inaccurate copies.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 28, 2018 9:53:57 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true?
Personally, I’ve never been able to accept that any part of the Bible is unimportant, or not applicable to us, or not a big deal if it’s slightly wrong. I don’t believe the Bible has any fluff in it. An obscure sentence in Joshua is just as much God’s word as John 3:16. If we can’t imagine God letting John 3:16 be wrong, we shouldn’t accept anything else being wrong.
I will also try to say this as delicatelly as I can. We need to be careful about filling the internet with scary thoughts of no one being able to trust God. Imagine being a 12 or 13 year old out there discovering Jesus these days, only to be told the hopeless end is upon us, everything is a lie, maybe God might be gracious enough to preserve a little of His word in your heart, but you can never be too sure that your Bible won’t change, and don’t bother going to church because no one there can help you. Oh, but here’s a wink and a nod that God is in control and you should trust Him.
Lately I’ve been starting to worry that a kind of fear-mongering spirit is taking hold of Western Christianity. If our very Christian walk itself is a hall of mirrors, we’re all in big trouble. It is eerily reminiscent of Allah’s behavior toward humans in Islam. He’s honest but not really, he’s transparent but not really, he will help you but not really, he’ll be fair but not really, and you can’t be sure of anything until you learn your fate upon death. I suspect that John might be starting to discern the real spirit at work here.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Nov 28, 2018 10:04:45 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true? Is such accuracy really needed?!
Obviously, God is able to provide a translation Word by Word as they came out of His mouth.
But is that really necessary?!
It is like saying: 'Put the keys on table' and 'You must always put the keys on the table' or 'On the table you put the keys'. JUST AN EXAMPLE.
The end result will be the same: You put the keys on the table.
And about believing God's Word or if a particular translation is God's Word that is God given faith and only He can give.
Additionally, I do not encourage or support the rise and use of new translations that omits obvious spiritual truth or...
question the validity of some passages that is found on older translations.
I believe no translation should present such doubts as doubt and confusion is not from God.
Blessings!
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 28, 2018 10:08:54 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true? Is such accuracy really needed?!
Obviously, God is able to provide a translation Word by Word as they came out of His mouth.
But is that really necessary?!
It is like saying: 'Put the keys on table' and 'You must always put the keys on the table'. JUST AN EXAMPLE.
The end result will be the same: You put the keys on the table.
And about believing God's Word or if a particular translation is God's Word that is God given faith and only He can give.
Additionally, I do not encourage or support the rise of new translations that omits obvious spiritual truth or question the validity of some passages that is found on older translations.
I believe no translation should present such doubts as doubt and confusion is not from God.
Blessings!What if I need to know you put the keys on the table because that explains why you couldn’t find them in your jacket an hour later? But then when I ask what happened, “Put the keys on the table” is changed to “Put the cat on the couch.” You only changed two small words, but those two words changed the whole conversation.
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Post by PG4Him on Nov 28, 2018 10:16:31 GMT -5
Sigh... I’m logging off to get some work done... see you all later this evening.
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Post by John on Nov 28, 2018 10:17:01 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true? Personally, I’ve never been able to accept that any part of the Bible is unimportant, or not applicable to us, or not a big deal if it’s slightly wrong. I don’t believe the Bible has any fluff in it. An obscure sentence in Joshua is just as much God’s word as John 3:16. If we can’t imagine God letting John 3:16 be wrong, we shouldn’t accept anything else being wrong. I will also try to say this as delicatelly as I can. We need to be careful about filling the internet with scary thoughts of no one being able to trust God. Imagine being a 12 or 13 year old out there discovering Jesus these days, only to be told the hopeless end is upon us, everything is a lie, maybe God might be gracious enough to preserve a little of His word in your heart, but you can never be too sure that your Bible won’t change, and don’t bother going to church because no one there can help you. Oh, but here’s a wink and a nod that God is in control and you should trust Him. Lately I’ve been starting to worry that a kind of fear-mongering spirit is taking hold of Western Christianity. If our very Christian walk itself is a hall of mirrors, we’re all in big trouble. It is eerily reminiscent of Allah’s behavior toward humans in Islam. He’s honest but not really, he’s transparent but not really, he will help you but not really, he’ll be fair but not really, and you can’t be sure of anything until you learn your fate upon death. I suspect that John might be starting to discern the real spirit at work here. Thank you for stating things so clearly! I completely agree. I am very concerned about what I see taking place. When it gets to the place where people think the devil can change the text in our Bible, perhaps as we are reading it, we have problems.
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Post by frienduff on Nov 29, 2018 0:39:26 GMT -5
Sigh... I’m logging off to get some work done... see you all later this evening. YOU ARE LOVED MY DEAR SISTER .
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Post by frienduff on Nov 29, 2018 0:42:15 GMT -5
What on earth . You mean people are teaching that the devil himself can change our transaltion . He don't need to do that , he already has men who did his work for him with some of these new translations . Say it with ME on the count of THREE THE accurate bible is the kjV . Hope we all enjoyed that . Their is a deadly serious assault on the word of GOD these days . Satan knows his time is short .
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Post by Cletus on Nov 29, 2018 1:06:38 GMT -5
I tried for years to find one error or something that contradicts itself in the kjv. I said if there is one thing then it cant be trusted. I thought several times i found something... but as i studied and really dug into not only the languages but how words were used and what they meant then as well as cultures of the times every time i thought i had something that proved error was in fact correct and accurate. this went on until i became weary of searching and gave up the conquest.
here is a verse from the isv i like how it words it better for communicating my point here, its the part after the semicolon:
Ecc 1:15 What is crooked cannot be made straight; what is not there cannot be counted.
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Post by justinadams on Nov 29, 2018 5:58:33 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true? Personally, I’ve never been able to accept that any part of the Bible is unimportant, or not applicable to us, or not a big deal if it’s slightly wrong. I don’t believe the Bible has any fluff in it. An obscure sentence in Joshua is just as much God’s word as John 3:16. If we can’t imagine God letting John 3:16 be wrong, we shouldn’t accept anything else being wrong. I will also try to say this as delicatelly as I can. We need to be careful about filling the internet with scary thoughts of no one being able to trust God. Imagine being a 12 or 13 year old out there discovering Jesus these days, only to be told the hopeless end is upon us, everything is a lie, maybe God might be gracious enough to preserve a little of His word in your heart, but you can never be too sure that your Bible won’t change, and don’t bother going to church because no one there can help you. Oh, but here’s a wink and a nod that God is in control and you should trust Him. Lately I’ve been starting to worry that a kind of fear-mongering spirit is taking hold of Western Christianity. If our very Christian walk itself is a hall of mirrors, we’re all in big trouble. It is eerily reminiscent of Allah’s behavior toward humans in Islam. He’s honest but not really, he’s transparent but not really, he will help you but not really, he’ll be fair but not really, and you can’t be sure of anything until you learn your fate upon death. I suspect that John might be starting to discern the real spirit at work here. Yes. It is a great pity that of all the conspiracies and fear mongering, the Christians seem to lead the pack. The newest Christians must be bombarded with this dichotomous set of ever deepening questions. I guess we have wavered from the path of, 'I will just preach Christ crucified...' “Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel… so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.”
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Post by John on Nov 29, 2018 6:11:34 GMT -5
It’s a matter of whether we can trust the Bible. Whether it’s KJV or ARC, do we have God’s permanent unchanging word? Is every sentence in that Bible true? Personally, I’ve never been able to accept that any part of the Bible is unimportant, or not applicable to us, or not a big deal if it’s slightly wrong. I don’t believe the Bible has any fluff in it. An obscure sentence in Joshua is just as much God’s word as John 3:16. If we can’t imagine God letting John 3:16 be wrong, we shouldn’t accept anything else being wrong. I will also try to say this as delicatelly as I can. We need to be careful about filling the internet with scary thoughts of no one being able to trust God. Imagine being a 12 or 13 year old out there discovering Jesus these days, only to be told the hopeless end is upon us, everything is a lie, maybe God might be gracious enough to preserve a little of His word in your heart, but you can never be too sure that your Bible won’t change, and don’t bother going to church because no one there can help you. Oh, but here’s a wink and a nod that God is in control and you should trust Him. Lately I’ve been starting to worry that a kind of fear-mongering spirit is taking hold of Western Christianity. If our very Christian walk itself is a hall of mirrors, we’re all in big trouble. It is eerily reminiscent of Allah’s behavior toward humans in Islam. He’s honest but not really, he’s transparent but not really, he will help you but not really, he’ll be fair but not really, and you can’t be sure of anything until you learn your fate upon death. I suspect that John might be starting to discern the real spirit at work here. Yes. It is a great pity that of all the conspiracies and fear mongering, the Christians seem to lead the pack. The newest Christians must be bombarded with this dichotomous set of ever deepening questions. I guess we have wavered from the path of, 'I will just preach Christ crucified...' “Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel… so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.” I don't know that Christians are starting these conspiracies. For the most part, I don't think that is the case. It is just that some are too quick to accept them without any real evidence. I think it is good to discuss them, because I know conspiracies take place all the time around us, and we shouldn't have our head in the sand, but before we are ready to take a huge leap of faith and accept something as wild as the Mandela Effect, there needs to be solid proof. What is so crazy about this one is that the conspiracy itself means there is no concrete proof, so it is all by faith.
I am still looking into what evidence is being presented, and I always try to keep an open mind, but even when I sought the Lord about this one, I felt like I was shown that it wasn't true. I am not saying God spoke to me and said it wasn't true, but I felt like he showed me that the real conspiracy was that we would not trust our Bible to be accurate. I know that most of the examples of so-called changes are not real. That is just from personal reading. It is getting to the place where anytime someone thinks they find something that contradicts or doesn't sound quite right to them, it is the Mandela Effect. That is very dangerous, which is why I started this thread. Frienduff is generally the one sounding warnings about things, but I felt like I had to sound the warning in this case.
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Post by John on Nov 29, 2018 6:15:06 GMT -5
What on earth . You mean people are teaching that the devil himself can change our transaltion . He don't need to do that , he already has men who did his work for him with some of these new translations . Say it with ME on the count of THREE THE accurate bible is the kjV . Hope we all enjoyed that . Their is a deadly serious assault on the word of GOD these days . Satan knows his time is short . The new translations are completely changing things in the Bible, and that is a serious problem, but in this case, the charge is that the devil is actually going back somehow and changing what is in your KJV Bible. If it was true, something you read today could be changed tomorrow, which means you can't fully trust any Bible. It is called the Mandela Effect. There are many videos about it on YouTube. You might want to watch some so you will understand how the enemy is working in these last days. I just found out about it recently.
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