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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 12:45:34 GMT -5
I don't believe God's Word can be altered by the Mandela Effect, but let's suppose it is leading to things like Chic Filet becoming Chick Filet, what does that mean? Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one?
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Post by frienduff on Dec 3, 2018 15:06:58 GMT -5
I don't know that Christians are starting these conspiracies. For the most part, I don't think that is the case. It is just that some are too quick to accept them without any real evidence. I think it is good to discuss them, because I know conspiracies take place all the time around us, and we shouldn't have our head in the sand, but before we are ready to take a huge leap of faith and accept something as wild as the Mandela Effect, there needs to be solid proof. What is so crazy about this one is that the conspiracy itself means there is no concrete proof, so it is all by faith.
I am still looking into what evidence is being presented, and I always try to keep an open mind, but even when I sought the Lord about this one, I felt like I was shown that it wasn't true. I am not saying God spoke to me and said it wasn't true, but I felt like he showed me that the real conspiracy was that we would not trust our Bible to be accurate. I know that most of the examples of so-called changes are not real. That is just from personal reading. It is getting to the place where anytime someone thinks they find something that contradicts or doesn't sound quite right to them, it is the Mandela Effect. That is very dangerous, which is why I started this thread. Frienduff is generally the one sounding warnings about things, but I felt like I had to sound the warning in this case.
I agree that most of the claimed "changes" are just faulty memory, or coming from someone who didn't read solely the KJV, so they had a mixed memory of what the verses say. For instance, I remember the word "stuff" in my bible since I was saved in 1986. I've seen claims that that word shouldn't have been there. There are many other examples like that. I spent hours upon hours (for months) copying Scriptures down on paper when I was a baby Christian and I only ever used the KJV. So a lot of these are in my memory. But there is still something to this "Mandela Effect." Sister you can bank on what I say next . BANK ON IT . Have peace in this . I got the LORD and my kjv SWORD . Though all of hells angels and the entire world try and plant schemes , fables , devices . THE LORD and my bible is all I need . The darkness cant overcome GOD , ALL THOSE In CHRIST it cant overcome . Sis, they just keep running with one fable to another fable , now its the mandela effect , next week it will be the gooney goo goo effect . I GOT the LORD and I got my SWORD . We wont be helping our dear sister , if we keep feeding this mandela thing . She is tore up in fear as we speak . It wont help her abby , to let her believe the devil can change the KJV. IT WILL only harm her worse .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 3, 2018 15:12:16 GMT -5
I don't believe God's Word can be altered by the Mandela Effect, but let's suppose it is leading to things like Chic Filet becoming Chick Filet, what does that mean? Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one?
I got the answer to that question butero . Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one . WE ARE IF WE BELEIVE THESE THINGS . We got no time for this stuff . I never have been one for planting doubt . BUT rather for building up , and that IN CHRIST . WE GOT CHRIST and the kjv sword , WE got the SPIRIT and the holy bible bywhich to test all things . See how simple and easy that is . Lets not even begin to even turn one foot in this direction of speculation . INSTEAD we TRUST IN GOD , we KNOW things get highly deceptive near the end , WE GOT CHRIST and our KJV SWORD . Its all we need . Now leap up and praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 3, 2018 15:15:55 GMT -5
IF the mandela effect was even real , AND TAKE THIS TO THE BANK. IF the manila effect was even real , we would have no memeory of what was ever written right in the first place . Let that one sink in . This mandela effect is not true . BUT IT IS a way to get folks to only doubt . GOD is the only one who is present in all times . SATAN cannot be omnipresent . SO kadow , mandella just got kicked out . HOW does satan influence , THROUGH spirits and men . AS in he done had many change the pure transaltion with these new ones . ITS HOW HE WORKS .
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 15:33:12 GMT -5
I don't believe God's Word can be altered by the Mandela Effect, but let's suppose it is leading to things like Chic Filet becoming Chick Filet, what does that mean? Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one?
I got the answer to that question butero . Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one . WE ARE IF WE BELEIVE THESE THINGS . We got no time for this stuff . I never have been one for planting doubt . BUT rather for building up , and that IN CHRIST . WE GOT CHRIST and the kjv sword , WE got the SPIRIT and the holy bible bywhich to test all things . See how simple and easy that is . Lets not even begin to even turn one foot in this direction of speculation . INSTEAD we TRUST IN GOD , we KNOW things get highly deceptive near the end , WE GOT CHRIST and our KJV SWORD . Its all we need . Now leap up and praise the LORD .
One of the theories for the Mandela Effect is based on parallel universes created by different potential outcomes based on different choices men could make, thus, the founder of Chick Fil-A could have mulled over two ways to spell it. Even if that were possible, and I don't believe it is, there is only one Word of God, thus it would remain constant in any potential parallel state of existence. When it comes to trusting our KJV Bible, there is nothing to fear either way.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Dec 3, 2018 16:09:06 GMT -5
I don't believe God's Word can be altered by the Mandela Effect, but let's suppose it is leading to things like Chic Filet becoming Chick Filet, what does that mean? Are we slipping from one reality into a slightly different one?
Have you listened to any of the videos by Anthony Patch on youtube? I wrote a whole reply here and then my browser froze and I lost it. Will you watch this when you have time?
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Post by Abby-Joy on Dec 3, 2018 16:10:05 GMT -5
I agree that most of the claimed "changes" are just faulty memory, or coming from someone who didn't read solely the KJV, so they had a mixed memory of what the verses say. For instance, I remember the word "stuff" in my bible since I was saved in 1986. I've seen claims that that word shouldn't have been there. There are many other examples like that. I spent hours upon hours (for months) copying Scriptures down on paper when I was a baby Christian and I only ever used the KJV. So a lot of these are in my memory. But there is still something to this "Mandela Effect." Sister you can bank on what I say next . BANK ON IT . Have peace in this . I got the LORD and my kjv SWORD . Though all of hells angels and the entire world try and plant schemes , fables , devices . THE LORD and my bible is all I need . The darkness cant overcome GOD , ALL THOSE In CHRIST it cant overcome . Sis, they just keep running with one fable to another fable , now its the mandela effect , next week it will be the gooney goo goo effect . I GOT the LORD and I got my SWORD . We wont be helping our dear sister , if we keep feeding this mandela thing . She is tore up in fear as we speak . It wont help her abby , to let her believe the devil can change the KJV. IT WILL only harm her worse .
I know, brother. I use and trust the KJV. No problem there!
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 3, 2018 18:11:58 GMT -5
Let’s also be suspicious of photo-shopped images we see online.
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 18:29:31 GMT -5
So this man says it is the result of quantum pollution and 88 Governors. This is nothing but a theory on his part. There was nothing he said that can be proven, including his assertion that there have been changes to the Bible. The biggest question I have is why is what this man said so convincing? It all comes across as science-fiction to me, and based on the idea of all these multi-dimensional places of existence. None of this makes any sense in light of the Bible.
Let's say that all of this were true, and we all have ourselves existing in different dimensions. At every point in our life where a decisions has to be made, there is a split based on each decision and each possible new outcome. How many versions are there of you and me? How many possible outcomes in our lives? How does that work with regard to the human soul? Does each version have it's own soul? Are some saved and others lost? To me, this is the result of men's imaginations.
As far as the computers go, there is nothing supernatural about a computer that can calculate any possible outcome for something. There is nothing supernatural about a computer being able to run simulations. I know they can do that. I know artificial intelligence exists. A game that plays chess with you is artificial intelligence. I have a computer game of scrabble that utilizes artificial intelligence. It is not that good, as I will beat it 99 times out of 100 games or more, but it does make decisions on words based on the words I create. I have seen artificial intelligence where it learns from conversations it has with you. I don't doubt they are trying to create biological entities as well, but I am skeptical about that, and I do not believe those are the tares. I just don't find any of this convincing at all. It is just a new theory.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 3, 2018 19:18:45 GMT -5
There is no reason to assume Easter is incorrect. The celebration of Easter was known to the people at the time, and the calendar date of Easter varies from year to year. I have never accepted that as being in error. As for the Sabbath, I don't know of any controversies there regarding translation.
Thanks for your reply.
Point of correction: I didn't say it was incorrect just inconsistent, why? Even today words Passover and Easter are the same word in Greek, Πάσχα. My question was, why change it there and only there out of the 27 times it's used in the NT. It's inconsistent. And in Greek, the words Sabbath and Saturday mean the same word, σάββατο. It does not mean first day of the week. That's like saying Sunday is Saturday. It's an issue is all I'm saying, which is my question: why is it an issue? σάββατο cannot mean Sunday and Saturday no more than it can in English. It's either or.
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 19:31:07 GMT -5
There is no reason to assume Easter is incorrect. The celebration of Easter was known to the people at the time, and the calendar date of Easter varies from year to year. I have never accepted that as being in error. As for the Sabbath, I don't know of any controversies there regarding translation. Thanks for your reply. Point of correction: I didn't say it was incorrect just inconsistent, why? Even today words Passover and Easter are the same word in Greek, Πάσχα. My question was, why change it there and only there out of the 27 times it's used in the NT. It's inconsistent. And in Greek, the words Sabbath and Saturday mean the same word, σάββατο. It does not mean first day of the week. That's like saying Sunday is Saturday. It's an issue is all I'm saying, which is my question: why is it an issue? σάββατο cannot mean Sunday and Saturday no more than it can in English. It's either or.
The Sabbath always has been Saturday. That is the seventh day of the week. Sunday is referred to as the Lord's Day. From what I have read in the Bible, the early Christians would meet on Sunday and have their church services, but the temple services continued to take place on Saturday. Many of the Christians that were used to going to the Temple would continue to go there in addition to the Christian services on the Lord's Day. That is how the tradition began, and people have since mistakenly taught that the "Christian Sabbath" was moved by God to Sunday, which is utter nonsense.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 3, 2018 20:57:53 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply. Point of correction: I didn't say it was incorrect just inconsistent, why? Even today words Passover and Easter are the same word in Greek, Πάσχα. My question was, why change it there and only there out of the 27 times it's used in the NT. It's inconsistent. And in Greek, the words Sabbath and Saturday mean the same word, σάββατο. It does not mean first day of the week. That's like saying Sunday is Saturday. It's an issue is all I'm saying, which is my question: why is it an issue? σάββατο cannot mean Sunday and Saturday no more than it can in English. It's either or.
The Sabbath always has been Saturday. That is the seventh day of the week. Sunday is referred to as the Lord's Day. From what I have read in the Bible, the early Christians would meet on Sunday and have their church services, but the temple services continued to take place on Saturday. Many of the Christians that were used to going to the Temple would continue to go there in addition to the Christian services on the Lord's Day. That is how the tradition began, and people have since mistakenly taught that the "Christian Sabbath" was moved by God to Sunday, which is utter nonsense.
So then why is Sabbath translated to mean Sunday? All throughout the NT it says they met on Sabbaton - Saturday. You're reading a translation that says they met on the "first day of the week" but it's literal translation is "first Sabbath" meaning the first Sabbath after Passover. It's called the counting of the Omer, Leviticus 23:15.
I don't wish to cause you to become upset.
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 21:01:11 GMT -5
The Sabbath always has been Saturday. That is the seventh day of the week. Sunday is referred to as the Lord's Day. From what I have read in the Bible, the early Christians would meet on Sunday and have their church services, but the temple services continued to take place on Saturday. Many of the Christians that were used to going to the Temple would continue to go there in addition to the Christian services on the Lord's Day. That is how the tradition began, and people have since mistakenly taught that the "Christian Sabbath" was moved by God to Sunday, which is utter nonsense.
So then why is Sabbath translated to mean Sunday? All throughout the NT it says they met on Sabbaton - Saturday. You're reading a translation that says they met on the "first day of the week" but it's literal translation is "first Sabbath" meaning the first Sabbath after Passover. It's called the counting of the Omer, Leviticus 23:15. I don't wish to cause you to become upset.
That is a fair question. Many of the early Christians continued to go to the Temple on Saturday, when the Jews were meeting. They would also meet on Sunday, the Lord's Day for Christian services. Going to the Temple would give them a chance to witness for Christ.
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2018 21:18:30 GMT -5
Sunday in Hebrew is referred to as Yom Rishon, and is called the first day of the week. When the Bible refers to the Christian Church meeting on the first day of the week, I take that to be Sunday, but not because it is the Sabbath. Nobody in the early church considered Sunday the Sabbath.
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