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Post by justinadams on Apr 14, 2018 13:17:05 GMT -5
I think we forget how droll life might have seemed once upon a time to us. Then suddenly somebody told us God was contemporary and not lost in a distant past of 65 million years. Also, to dispel the carnage that the evolution idea would have visited on all those half or partly formed animals as they died with non-functioning body-parts awaiting that other evolved bit that might give them a chance to live and procreate - suddenly mass carnage was replaced by what seemed to instead be a plan. It was not just chance. There was a purpose that we half expected or wished for.
We must remember that a great many of the atheists and non-Christians see their life and the life of the cosmos as distant and unrelated to them. After all, they are taught they are just an accident, and when they die they will not be noticed. So they try vainly to be relevant.
When we discovered that the simplest cell was more complex than the Space Shuttle, folk began to take more notice. Maybe God was not so very remote, maybe we were a special creation and that human reality was not so very old. Somehow this gives us a better feel for God's Great ideas. Perhaps the anachronistic platitudes we learned growing up were part of a hidden plan that included us. Suddenly things became more relevant. This reasoning gave rise to hope. People needed this hope to feel that they matter.
Some of the noises we hear that seem to be important and anti-religious are often just people seeking to offset the dichotomy they daily face. That of, "I am here, but I seem so unimportant. So why?" "What must I do to have meaning?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:40:24 GMT -5
Think upon this young earth believers. If it took God six days to create one little planet, "Earth," and all therein, how long did it take, and when did God create the vast universe with its billions of stars, planets galaxies, moons, black holes and all therein?
Rev 12:12, Therefore rejoice, YE HEAVENS, (plural), AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. (full stop, and again plural), Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
We are not alone, and we are the only planet in the entire universe in rebellion against God. We are not alone according to Scripture.
1. God in the eternal past (Ps. 90:2; 93:2; Mic. 5:2; Heb. 9:14)
2. The drafting of God's plan (Eph. 3:11; Heb. 1::3; 11:3; 1 Pet. 1:20)
3. Creation of the heavens, including the sun, moon, and stars (Gen. 1:1; Col. 1:15-18; Ps. 8:3; 90:2; 95:5; 102:25; Isa. 40:12, 26; 45:12; 48:13)
4. Creation of the spirit-world before the creation of earth (Job 38:4-7; Col. 1:15-18)
5. Creation of the earth—made perfect the first time (Gen. 1:1; Job 38:4-7; Isa. 45:18; Heb. 11:3)
6. Creation of the world (kosmos. social order) that then was (2 Pet. 3:5-7; Isa. 14:12-14; 45:18; Jer. 4:23-26; Ez. 28:11-17)
7. Lucifer's reign over the world that then was (Isa. 14:12-14;Jer. 4:23-26; Ez. 28:11-17; Col. 1:15-18). The length of his rule is unknown.
8. Other thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers placed over other parts of the universe (Col. 1:15-18; Eph. 1:21; 3:10; 1 Pet. 3:22)
9. The kingdom of God universal—God the Supreme Moral Governor of the universe, and everything in harmony with Him (Job 38; Dan. 4:17, 25, 32, 35). The length of rule of the universal harmonious kingdom before Lucifer's rebellion is unknown.
10. Lucifer, the original ruler of the planet earth conceives an idea that he can obtain cooperation of other angelic beings, dethrone God, and become the exalted supreme ruler of the universe himself (Isa. 14: 12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6).
11. Lucifer carries out his plans, falls through pride, and slanders the Almighty, causing his own subjects and over one third of God's angels (Rev. 12:7-12) to rebel against Him. The earth enters its first sinful career (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28: 11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6). Length of the uprising is unknown.
12.Lucifer openly breaks relations with God and His government, leading his rebels from the appointed place of mobilization on earth into heaven in his attempt to dethrone God. He is met by Michael and the faithful angels and is defeated, being cast as lightning back to the earth (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; Lk. 10:18).
13.God destroys Lucifer's kingdom on earth completely, and curses the earth by destroying every bird, animal, fish, city, inhabitant, and all vegetation. He then turns the earth upside down, and by means of a great flood makes it empty and a waste (Gen. 1:2; Ps. 104:5-9; Isa. 14:12-14; Jer. 4:23-
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 16:03:01 GMT -5
Scientific Proof God exists, and I ask, how long did it take God to create all this if it took Him 6 days to create or restore the Earth?
Copy and paste this link into your browser and enjoy.
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Post by justinadams on Apr 17, 2018 6:55:06 GMT -5
As with the Advent of our Lord, few understood it all exactly. Even Saul said that, 'had they but known...'
So it will probably come upon us suddenly when Yeshua returns. 'as in the days of Noah'. In Noah's time they had plenty of warning. Even the herding of the animals could not go unnoticed, but it seems folk we so taken with their various lives and living they probably did no pay much heed until cataclysms began. Then it was just too late.
There is so much going on all the time and so many crying 'wolf' that in reality we are all being buffeted by overload in this crazy information age.
I take particular exception to the 'prophets' that have it all down pat. I try to ignore that clamor as much as I can. Someone said to me, if you come across someone that says they have it all figured out - run!
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Post by Sister on Apr 17, 2018 7:58:10 GMT -5
Oh yes, the book of the giants. I saw a video early last year, but I couldn't get into it. Enoch mentioned something about man getting all mixed up with time after Christ's death and resurrection, but I don't understand that bit properly. It's possible the calendar is out, very possible, but by how much is hard to know. I started looking into this a while ago, and to me it seemed like man was making time out to be longer that it actually has been, but the source you read says the opposite. My inkling was that they put everything further back than it actually is, and history is really not that far away. Anyway we just can't trust man. So many lies and cover ups out there. This is Satan's kingdom after all, the Father of Lies, who gives us nothing but lies. At least we have the signs to look for that God gave, and if we just go by that we can't go wrong. I personally think we are so close to the False Prophet arriving. I think it is a lot more closer than most realise. As soon as we see the kings of the North come in and occupy Israel, we know the False Prophet will come very shortly after. To me, along with all the signs happening today like the falling away, evil growing to the max, nations leaders going mad, and the world turning everything upside down like good is bad, and bad is good, I personally can't see this evil continuing for much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 8:08:57 GMT -5
As with the Advent of our Lord, few understood it all exactly. Even Saul said that, 'had they but known...' So it will probably come upon us suddenly when Yeshua returns. 'as in the days of Noah'. In Noah's time they had plenty of warning. Even the herding of the animals could not go unnoticed, but it seems folk we so taken with their various lives and living they probably did no pay much heed until cataclysms began. Then it was just too late. There is so much going on all the time and so many crying 'wolf' that in reality we are all being buffeted by overload in this crazy information age. I take particular exception to the 'prophets' that have it all down pat. I try to ignore that clamor as much as I can. Someone said to me, if you come across someone that says they have it all figured out - run! Yes, much is hid in scripture, hid from the eyes of the Enemy for millennia.....some things will be revealed, some may not, or maybe different pieces of the puzzle to different members of His Body. But even then all the details may not all be revealed, and the Lord always reserves the right to be God and act sovereignly, He often surprises us. However like His first coming, many were not ready in heart.....and so they missed the time of their visitation. There will be aspects of that surrounding His second coming too, many will miss the time of the second visitation.....and this is why we are told to prepare, and to be ready, and to be watchful. I am quite certain the beasts on the ark speak to a harvest of lost souls being saved prior to the wrath being poured out.....as it was in the days of Noah. Those who were invited would not come to the King's wedding feast that He prepared for His Son....because they were preoccupied with keeping their own lives in the world instead of seeking first the kingdom of God.....soon then the Lord will turn His attention to the highways and byways. Still looking at this in scripture, and please test these things, but so far it seems we should not expect that the wedding feast will be a romantic affair conducted in the clouds, but here on earth as He takes full possession of His Bride by His Spirit....this will be a Bride wearing army boots and clad in the armour of God, when she receives the 'balance owing' on the earnest of the Spirit. It is then she will do the "even greater things than these" that Jesus prophesied, since we have yet to see the fulfillment of that prophecy. Make no mistake though, it will come at a price, and she will be persecuted, it will also be tribulation time, but a glorious, victorious time as well. The Lord is magnificent in wisdom.....but when He comes will He find faith on the earth, can we believe He will do these great things? Be ready, because He will come suddenly to His temple....and a short work will the Lord do ON THE EARTH.
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Post by Cletus on May 21, 2018 1:52:59 GMT -5
For years, I believed in the gap theory, because I couldn't imagine dinosaurs being in existence in the world God created in Genesis, and living along mankind. Recently, I came across a book called, "Book of the Giants." It is a book that only exists in fragments, but the time period was before the flood. It claims that at the time the Sons of God took to wife the daughters of men, and the offspring were giants, there was experiments being done with DNA. According to that book, the dinosaurs and other "pre-historic" animals were the result of monkeying with DNA. These monsters were not natural, anymore than the giants were. That makes perfect sense to me. They would not have been taken on the ark, anymore than the giants would, because God desired to destroy the works of the fallen angels. Anyway, there is no way to be absolutely sure about any of this, but it makes better sense to me than does the gap theory, though I can't completely rule it out. Also, the Bible describes the end times as like in the days of Noah, and right now, with the space alien hoax, those who are being abducted claim they have had experiments done on them involving trying to create alien-human hybrids by messing with our DNA. I think the "space aliens" are really fallen angels. If we look in to what people are saying involved in new age religions, which is visions. taken way up into the clouds and even to the moon and outer space. its the same with people saying they were abducted by aliens. these people believe what they say because it happened, but these visions are from fallen angels. they are being deceived but because they do not know Jesus, or the truth they believe this nonsense. the enemy's camp is doing anything it can to trick people.
I am curious tho, based on what you say here, what are your thoughts on the book of Job where it speaks of leviathan and behemoth? some say Job is nothing more than a theatrical play or poem, but what about the content? the manners and customs and general lifestyle of Job is from the patriarchal period which is around 2000-1800 BC. While some say Job is play or act, what about Ez 14:14, James 5:11. many scholars claim Job to be a descendant of Nahor, Abraham's brother. so i do not buy into the cop-out that Job is not a real person. Any way the reason i ask about this is because Job 40:15 where God says He made behemoth? It cant be a large beast we have today because it says... he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth he can draw up Jordan in his mouth. I cannot find where God says he made leviathan but i doubt God would compare Job's power to power of a fallen angels abomination.
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Post by John on May 21, 2018 6:23:48 GMT -5
Most definitely, I believe Job was a real person. I do believe leviathan and behemoth are real and were created by God. I don't see them as extinct animals. I believe they still exist, but are hidden from our sight. I never looked at them as a species where they multiplied, but as a single creature, a one of a kind.
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Post by Sister on May 24, 2018 4:32:34 GMT -5
This is what I have picked up regarding Leviathan. Hope this helps a little.
Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Leviathan is none other than Satan. Satan is in the sea (waters) which we know from Revelation represents multiples, peoples, nations & tongues. The "sea" is Satan's playground, his kingdom, this world, and Leviathan is one of his many names.
Psalms 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
Psalms 104:25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
The ships are all the merchants of the earth. All trading. This is leviathan's playground. His kingdom of Babylon. His system is money, which makes the world go around, and all the riches of the earth which God HAS GIVEN US, ..ie all the gold, the silver, precious metals, and stones,....he takes for himself and uses it as bait by tempting us to stay busy in his kingdom.
And a Dragon begets dragons.
Psalms 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
Psalms 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Psalms 74:15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.
God divides the peoples all into their little groups by using LEVIATHAN the DRAGON. The dragon has many dragons he uses by creating numerous belief systems for all cultures. The people in the wilderness (on dry land) are eating the meat (spiritual food) which came out of these waters through all the channels which God calls "rivers". I will show you below;
Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
Ezekiel 29:4 But I will put hooks in thy jaws, and I will cause the fish of thy rivers to stick unto thy scales, and I will bring thee up out of the midst of thy rivers, and all the fish of thy rivers shall stick unto thy scales.
Ezekiel 29:5 And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven.
God is now calling Satan Pharoah king of Egypt, because Satan is KING of all his kingdoms. God also calls him "the Assyrian", or king of Babylon. The scriptures have to be divided accordingly according to context. Egypt was the land of oppression, and Satan is the oppressor, the Pharoah (king of oppression).
From the sea where the dragon abides (Leviathan), he created all his different belief systems for all cultures to feed on. To get these belief systems to all the peoples of the nations, he created "rivers" so the teachings can flow out to all different types of peoples. This culture has this teaching, another culture has a different belief, and so on, all are false and all come from the sea, through the rivers to the people. God is using Satan as a lure to attract all the fish to his scales, and draw them out together with him onto to dry land. In other words, God is going to dry up their belief system. What they trust in will fail them. Take the belief of Islam for example, that group of people will stick together, but they will find out that their god will not save them. Same for all the other groups with their different beliefs. God is going to dry up their rivers, and their belief system will fail.
And from the rivers are many streams, even more offshoots of beliefs, and finally pools of water, stagnant going nowhere. All the waters coming from the sea are fouled because of Leviathan.
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Post by justinadams on May 24, 2018 5:50:21 GMT -5
Most definitely, I believe Job was a real person. I do believe leviathan and behemoth are real and were created by God. I don't see them as extinct animals. I believe they still exist, but are hidden from our sight. I never looked at them as a species where they multiplied, but as a single creature, a one of a kind. Check out Mokele M'bembe. The name Mokele -M’Bembe when translated from Lingala, the language of the indigenous peoples of the Congo basin, literally means, " one that stops the flow of rivers". The Belgian Congo is about 2/3 the size of the USA mainland. It is largely unexplored and the natives give accounts of huge creatures that live in the swamps like Mokele. The few explorers that have survived give accounts of gigantic crocs as well. There is much we do not yet know about our planet. creationwiki.org/Mokele-mbembeMany scoff at all this, but I have not joined the ranks of scoffers. I have seen too much that is odd with my own two eyes, so I am very reserved about passing judgement. There seems to be many armchair explorers.
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Post by Sister on May 24, 2018 21:08:34 GMT -5
I found this in the book of Enoch, and hopefully it can shed some more light. I am still learning too ....
(SECTION 2) [Chapter 60] A Fragment of the Book of Noah
1. In the year 500, in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the life of Enoch. In that Parable I saw how a mighty quaking made the heaven of heavens to quake, and the host of the Most High, and the angels, a thousand thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, were 2. disquieted with a great disquiet. And the Head of Days sat on the throne of His glory, and the angels and the righteous stood around Him.
3. And a great trembling seized me,
And fear took hold of me,
And my loins gave way,
And dissolved were my reins,
And I fell upon my face.
4. And Michael sent another angel from among the holy ones and he raised me up, and when he had raised me up my spirit returned; for I had not been able to endure the look of this host, and the 5. commotion and the quaking of the heaven. And Michael said unto me: ' Why art thou disquieted with such a vision? Until this day lasted the day of His mercy; and He hath been merciful and 6. long-suffering towards those who dwell on the earth. And when the day, and the power, and the punishment, and the judgement come, which the Lord of Spirits hath prepared for those who worship not the righteous law, and for those who deny the righteous judgement, and for those who take His name in vain-that day is prepared, for the elect a covenant, but for sinners an inquisition.
parts missing.
25. When the punishment of the Lord of Spirits shall rest upon them, it shall rest in order that the punishment of the Lord of Spirits may not come, in vain, and it shall slay the children with their mothers and the children with their fathers. Afterwards the judgement shall take place according to His mercy and His patience.'
Goes back to verse 7 for some reason?
7 And on that day were two monsters parted, a female monster named Leviathan, to dwell in the 8. abysses of the ocean over the fountains of the waters. But the male is named Behemoth, who occupied with his breast a waste wilderness named Duidain, on the east of the garden where the elect and righteous dwell, where my grandfather was taken up, the seventh from Adam, the first 9 man whom the Lord of Spirits created. And I besought the other angel that he should show me the might of those monsters, how they were parted on one day and cast, the one into the abysses 10 of the sea, and the other unto the dry land of the wilderness.
It's all symbolism. Leviathan the dragon, is depicted as a SHE. A SHE gives birth to children and multiplies. Remember the harlot of Revelation? Could this be her? She's still of the dragon, his woman so to speak. She's the one giving the nations a cup to drink, making all the nations drunk. She sits on the waters, above all the kingdoms. That's just me thinking out loud. I don't know for sure. We know the dragon, Satan is real. We know about the harlot of revelation and that she is not a real woman but only depicted as one deceiving the nations, and enticing them with unholy things. It's all Satan, and God with all his wisdom explains things to us in so many different ways, as in riddles for us to seek the meaning.
This above is only a fragment, with parts missing, so what was missed out, and not preserved God didn't want us to know.
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Post by justinadams on May 25, 2018 4:32:05 GMT -5
There are many iterations, both real, allegorical and mystical in the ancient writings. That they wrote based on their cosmic world view is quite natural and to be expected without putting too fine a point on it. The word 'dinosaur' was not used until recently. Fearsome Lizard or Dragon was mostly used. It is said by Marco Polo that one of the Emperors he had witnessed had live dragons to pull his coach. There is much the ancients took for granted and accepted that we today in our enlightened world-view tend to dismiss. Other writings and cave inscriptions depict men either riding dragons or hunting them. www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-pottery.jpg "All of this is very interesting since "modern" man's conception of dinosaurs did not begin until the 1800's when the word dinosaur was coined (1841). These stones do not depict skeletons but live, active dinosaurs, most of whom are seen interacting with man. The obvious implication is that ancient Peruvians saw and lived with dinosaurs." www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art
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