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Post by John on Jan 4, 2019 22:18:33 GMT -5
Those who promote the false OSAS doctrine like to spread the same old misinformation. They will accuse those who reject OSAS of being prideful because they think they can save themselves by their good works, when nobody is believing that. They will accuse them of legalism, a word not found a single time in scripture, but repeated by ministers everywhere as a terrible sin. Jesus taught us that if we wish to be great in his Kingdom, we should teach and obey the least commandments, legalism. One of the new arguments is claiming that entering into God's rest is faith in unconditional eternal security, which is not true. It is just one lie after another to defend a doctrine so full of holes, you could drive a tractor-trailer through it. OSAS is a false and dangerous doctrine.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 5, 2019 0:39:34 GMT -5
let us also not forget that many osas-ers do not even consider repentance to be apart of the gospel, and what they preach reflects this, and when we study the bible we see Jesus, Paul, Peter, all of them preached repentance. and even when they do talk about it they water down what it means saying it just means to change your mind... because thats what it says in strongs concordance, but when we study scripture turn away from sin and go and sin no more and repent come up more times than i care to count.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jan 5, 2019 6:23:36 GMT -5
They will accuse those who reject OSAS of being prideful because they think they can save themselves by their good works, when nobody is believing that.
They will accuse them of legalism, a word not found a single time in scripture, but repeated by ministers everywhere as a terrible sin.
They cannot see or understand that all that we do is out of love for the Lord.
"Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." - Romans 13:10
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." - Galatians 5:6
Love goes against all common sense many times just to please those we love.
"...bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails..." - 1 Corinthians 13:7-8
And obviously, if anyone loves God they will do what God loves.
And about the condemnation they like to quote from Matthew:
"Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:22-23
Deceiving spirits make them to believe that all who prophesy, cast out demons or is an imitator of Christ is going to hell because they work to be saved.
But the real interpretation is hidden from their eyes, as if that was true it would contradict what Jesus said here:
"And these signs will follow those who believe:
In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues..." - Mark 16:17
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also..." - John 14:12
Then we can see the real reason those in Matthew 7:22-23 was condemned:
"But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him..." - John 12:37
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." - 1 John 3:4
"Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him." - 1 John 3:6
"He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." - 1 John 2:4
"...Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin... ...Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:34+36
Because they are heavily deceived by evil spirits that if a believer comes and preach them the truth, do signs, wonders, and miracles, even prophesy a word and comes to pass.
They will be told not to believe because they will be told we are trying to deceive them, by mistakenly quoting this Scripture:
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." - Matthew 24:24
But the problem is, the signs that follow those who believe are not to deceive. They are real, legitimate signs performed by God Himself confirming the word that was preached to them.
"how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?" - Hebrews 2:3-4
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." - Luke 10:13
Then, there is clearly an spirit of anti-Christ deceiving many people out there and putting them against the few who preach the truth.
"by honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report; as deceivers, and yet true; as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed..." - 2 Corinthians 6:8-9
Because they cannot see we indeed love God. And this is why they tell us:
I do not know you.
"...Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him." - 1 John 3:1
But what the Lord tells us?! How can we see that the condemnation in Matthew does not apply to us?
"But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him." - 1 Corinthians 8:3
"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake." - Matthew 5:11
Blessings in Jesus' name!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 7:46:24 GMT -5
Amen....and if we love God we will also love what He loves...the truth, as well as righteousness. There are OSAS people who will be in danger of the strong delusion and of taking the mark of the beast. Some of them seem to have a literal mantra playing in their heads, "Grace plus nothing" and it's like a brick wall keeping out the whole council of God....and my, there is a lot of council on the matter of righteousness. But they need to be willing to come out from behind that wall before they can hear.....that mantra is not from the Spirit but from their own minds and is missing the mark. Clearly we are told to bring forth fruits in keeping with repentance....yes we are saved by grace through faith....but then what? We have a whole life to live before the Lord by grace through faith, and we are well instructed, admonished, warned all through the scriptures to follow and obey Him.
The cross of Christ automatically covers the whole package of our sins that we committed in the past.....but it doesn't cover wilfull sins that a person sins after coming to faith......those sins need to be confessed and repented of in order to be forgiven. OSAS is a wretched teaching that is leading souls astray.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 5, 2019 15:00:40 GMT -5
Amen....and if we love God we will also love what He loves...the truth, as well as righteousness. There are OSAS people who will be in danger of the strong delusion and of taking the mark of the beast. Some of them seem to have a literal mantra playing in their heads, "Grace plus nothing" and it's like a brick wall keeping out the whole council of God....and my, there is a lot of council on the matter of righteousness. But they need to be willing to come out from behind that wall before they can hear.....that mantra is not from the Spirit but from their own minds and is missing the mark. Clearly we are told to bring forth fruits in keeping with repentance....yes we are saved by grace through faith....but then what? We have a whole life to live before the Lord by grace through faith, and we are well instructed, admonished, warned all through the scriptures to follow and obey Him. The cross of Christ automatically covers the whole package of our sins that we committed in the past.....but it doesn't cover wilfull sins that a person sins after coming to faith......those sins need to be confessed and repented of in order to be forgiven. OSAS is a wretched teaching that is leading souls astray. this is so right. it dont stop at the moment of salvation. eternal life is a gift we cant earn... but apart of this gift is to live a certain way outlined in the bible. if we choose to not live this way we abandon this gift. we literally throw it away. we cant receive eternal life and receive justification and not continue on in sanctification. to many today the moment of salvation is where it stops, and even if they walk farther they do not preach it. but if we truly have eternal life we will live according to this gift. simply put sin kills. sin is fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and we are told to die daily, carry our cross, have our minds conformed and renewed, be transformed and on and on, and this is an ongoing process. its not a one time magical poof and we have arrived on the shores. no where in the bible did the apostles teach that. they said to run the race with endurance. not once saved you have already reached the finish line... and yet they still quote it is finished, and yet they say all sin... even wilful sins are on the cross. this nullifys repentance, but in acts 20 it clearly says Paul preached repentance unto salvation. New life is all about NOT doing the things the old man did... being a new creature.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 15:22:12 GMT -5
Amen....and if we love God we will also love what He loves...the truth, as well as righteousness. There are OSAS people who will be in danger of the strong delusion and of taking the mark of the beast. Some of them seem to have a literal mantra playing in their heads, "Grace plus nothing" and it's like a brick wall keeping out the whole council of God....and my, there is a lot of council on the matter of righteousness. But they need to be willing to come out from behind that wall before they can hear.....that mantra is not from the Spirit but from their own minds and is missing the mark. Clearly we are told to bring forth fruits in keeping with repentance....yes we are saved by grace through faith....but then what? We have a whole life to live before the Lord by grace through faith, and we are well instructed, admonished, warned all through the scriptures to follow and obey Him. The cross of Christ automatically covers the whole package of our sins that we committed in the past.....but it doesn't cover wilfull sins that a person sins after coming to faith......those sins need to be confessed and repented of in order to be forgiven. OSAS is a wretched teaching that is leading souls astray. this is so right. it dont stop at the moment of salvation. eternal life is a gift we cant earn... but apart of this gift is to live a certain way outlined in the bible. if we choose to not live this way we abandon this gift. we literally throw it away. we cant receive eternal life and receive justification and not continue on in sanctification. to many today the moment of salvation is where it stops, and even if they walk farther they do not preach it. but if we truly have eternal life we will live according to this gift. simply put sin kills. sin is fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and we are told to die daily, carry our cross, have our minds conformed and renewed, be transformed and on and on, and this is an ongoing process. its not a one time magical poof and we have arrived on the shores. no where in the bible did the apostles teach that. they said to run the race with endurance. not once saved you have already reached the finish line... and yet they still quote it is finished, and yet they say all sin... even wilful sins are on the cross. this nullifys repentance, but in acts 20 it clearly says Paul preached repentance unto salvation. New life is all about NOT doing the things the old man did... being a new creature. Praise the Lord, and amen! If it is hard even for the righteous to be saved....then golly we do have a race to run. The fear of the Lord is to hate sin and that is the beginning of wisdom. And blessed are those whose hearts are set on pilgrimmage...that's what this life is for, a pilgrimmage for His sake....we haven't arrived on that shore yet.
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Post by Cletus on Jan 5, 2019 15:34:13 GMT -5
this is so right. it dont stop at the moment of salvation. eternal life is a gift we cant earn... but apart of this gift is to live a certain way outlined in the bible. if we choose to not live this way we abandon this gift. we literally throw it away. we cant receive eternal life and receive justification and not continue on in sanctification. to many today the moment of salvation is where it stops, and even if they walk farther they do not preach it. but if we truly have eternal life we will live according to this gift. simply put sin kills. sin is fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and we are told to die daily, carry our cross, have our minds conformed and renewed, be transformed and on and on, and this is an ongoing process. its not a one time magical poof and we have arrived on the shores. no where in the bible did the apostles teach that. they said to run the race with endurance. not once saved you have already reached the finish line... and yet they still quote it is finished, and yet they say all sin... even wilful sins are on the cross. this nullifys repentance, but in acts 20 it clearly says Paul preached repentance unto salvation. New life is all about NOT doing the things the old man did... being a new creature. Praise the Lord, and amen! If it is hard even for the righteous to be saved....then golly we do have a race to run. The fear of the Lord is to hate sin and that is the beginning of wisdom. And blessed are those whose hearts are set on pilgrimmage...that's what this life is for, a pilgrimmage for His sake....we haven't arrived on that shore yet. speaking of shores...
Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
rev: 22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Let us press on in The LORD so that we may gather at the river. that we may even lay down on this shore safely, and rest.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 5, 2019 15:41:57 GMT -5
Amen....and if we love God we will also love what He loves...the truth, as well as righteousness. There are OSAS people who will be in danger of the strong delusion and of taking the mark of the beast. Some of them seem to have a literal mantra playing in their heads, "Grace plus nothing" and it's like a brick wall keeping out the whole council of God....and my, there is a lot of council on the matter of righteousness. But they need to be willing to come out from behind that wall before they can hear.....that mantra is not from the Spirit but from their own minds and is missing the mark. Clearly we are told to bring forth fruits in keeping with repentance....yes we are saved by grace through faith....but then what? We have a whole life to live before the Lord by grace through faith, and we are well instructed, admonished, warned all through the scriptures to follow and obey Him. The cross of Christ automatically covers the whole package of our sins that we committed in the past.....but it doesn't cover wilfull sins that a person sins after coming to faith......those sins need to be confessed and repented of in order to be forgiven. OSAS is a wretched teaching that is leading souls astray. this is so right. it dont stop at the moment of salvation. eternal life is a gift we cant earn... but apart of this gift is to live a certain way outlined in the bible. if we choose to not live this way we abandon this gift. we literally throw it away. we cant receive eternal life and receive justification and not continue on in sanctification. to many today the moment of salvation is where it stops, and even if they walk farther they do not preach it. but if we truly have eternal life we will live according to this gift. simply put sin kills. sin is fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and we are told to die daily, carry our cross, have our minds conformed and renewed, be transformed and on and on, and this is an ongoing process. its not a one time magical poof and we have arrived on the shores. no where in the bible did the apostles teach that. they said to run the race with endurance. not once saved you have already reached the finish line... and yet they still quote it is finished, and yet they say all sin... even wilful sins are on the cross. this nullifys repentance, but in acts 20 it clearly says Paul preached repentance unto salvation. New life is all about NOT doing the things the old man did... being a new creature. this is so right. it dont stop at the moment of salvation
MY FRIENDS who I love . It does not stop , or end at the moment of salvation . IT BEGINS . IT BEGINS IT BEGINS . WORK out your own salvation with fear and trembling . AKA, OBEY THE HOLY SPIRIT , HEED HIM , FOR HE CAN KEEP US FROM FALLING But if their is in any an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the faith , KADOW its over . And many things can choke the WORD out of folks . Lusts , fear , love of life , love of the world and the things of it . TIS WHY they said , EXHORT , AND DO SO DAILY , lest any man does become HARDENED THROUGH the deceitfulness of sin . For we are made partakers of HIM , IF we keep the confidence of what we had In the beginning , STEADFAST UNTO THE END . GOD did some serious warning on them seven churches now . And it was REPENT or else . And it is clear that believers can fall . FOR many had the first faith , the first works , BUT had let that slip , and GOD said , REPENT and do the FIRST WORKS or else , BYE BYE CANDLESTICK . GET PUT OUT . The candle of the WICKED SHALL BE PUT OUT . OH YES GOD WARNS and reminds all beleivers , IN fact HE will chasten and scourge so as they will produce even more fruit . BUT HEED HIM NOT , GOOD BYE its OVER .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 16:35:22 GMT -5
Praise the Lord, and amen! If it is hard even for the righteous to be saved....then golly we do have a race to run. The fear of the Lord is to hate sin and that is the beginning of wisdom. And blessed are those whose hearts are set on pilgrimmage...that's what this life is for, a pilgrimmage for His sake....we haven't arrived on that shore yet. speaking of shores...
Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
rev: 22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Let us press on in The LORD so that we may gather at the river. that we may even lay down on this shore safely, and rest.
Love that river brother, the Word of the Lord, the blood of Christ Jesus that flows with His precious mercy:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 16:49:32 GMT -5
speaking of shores...
Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
rev: 22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Let us press on in The LORD so that we may gather at the river. that we may even lay down on this shore safely, and rest.
Love that river brother, the Word of the Lord, the blood of Christ Jesus that flows with His precious mercy: Another lovely song
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Post by frienduff on Jan 5, 2019 20:42:20 GMT -5
Love that river brother, the Word of the Lord, the blood of Christ Jesus that flows with His precious mercy: Another lovely song You are loved sister . Oh let all praise the Lord .
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