People who don’t understand the liberty of sinless living are yet in the flesh. They see carnal pleasures as the true joys of life, and thus they see calls to abandon those pleasures as legalism. In reality, the more we remove our flesh to walk in spirit, the happier and more liberated we are. True liberty is found in destroying the tyranny of flesh.
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
i went back and did some reading and studying on this passage. the word saved in this passage does not mean sanctify/sanctification. its the same word used in other verses....
i posted from KJV+ to include the strongs ref. number. just skip over the numbers until you get to the word saved. I did this to make it easy to see the words are the same.
Mat_10:22 AndG2532 ye shall beG2071 hatedG3404 ofG5259 allG3956 men for my name's sake:G1223 G3450 G3686 butG1161 he that endurethG5278 toG1519 the endG5056 shall be(G3778) saved.G4982
Mat_24:22 AndG2532 exceptG1508 thoseG1565 daysG2250 should be shortened,G2856 there should noG3756 fleshG4561 be saved:G4982 G302 butG1161 for the elect's sakeG1223 G3588 G1588 thoseG1565 daysG2250 shall be shortened.G2856
I will stop there. eswords search function found 57 verses with the english word saved. only three of the instances i saw was a different word in the greek but still rendered saved in english. 54 instances of saved in the context of saved is a lot. i did not go thru every single verse to check but i did go thru quite a few of them. the word saved in the passage quoted in the OP is the same exact greek word... strongs 4982. it does not mean sanctified. sanctification is only one part of salvation... so it is included in there.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ — 1 Peter 1:7
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. — 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. — Matthew 24:13
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire. — Hebrews 12:27-29
I'm late to the conversation, but after reading through the comments and looking into the scripture, I must say that the verses that Candance shared fit what I believe 1 Peter 4 is speaking of. It is talking about suffering for righteousness' sake, as well as enduring trials. We are to rejoice in sufferings if we are suffering for righteousness' sake.
Looking at the meaning of the word translated "scarcely" I believe Candance's references are very much in line with the meaning of 1 Peter 4 (especially verses 12-19). The entire chapter is speaking of abstaining from works of the flesh and living a holy and separated life. And if we suffer, let it be that we suffer for righteousness' sake, and be partakers of Christ's sufferings. It is speaking specifically to the righteous, or those who follow Christ and are clothed with His righteousness. The word translated "scarcely" has this meaning:
molis: with difficulty Original Word: μόλις
Part of Speech: Adverb Transliteration: molis Phonetic Spelling: (mol'-is)
Definition: with difficulty Usage: with difficulty, hardly, scarcely.
3433 mólis (from mogos, "toil) – properly, something happening with great difficulty, i.e. hardly ("scarcely"). 3433 /mólis ("what barely happens") emphasizes the slight margin by which something comes to pass, i.e. because it is so difficult. [3425 /mógis (from mogos, "laborious toil") focuses on the prolonged nature of a difficulty.]
This very much lends to the idea that the way of a Christ follower is narrow. Judgment begins at the house of God! Our works that are of the flesh will be burned up. What is of God, will remain. So let us walk according to the Spirit, and not the flesh. If judgment begins at the house of God (where our works are tried by fire), where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
I've not been feeling well, so my reply is not as thorough as I'd like it to be.
Last Edit: Feb 22, 2019 18:26:27 GMT -5 by Abby-Joy
Psalms 147:3 “He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.”
Giller seems to be saying that scarcely saved means kinda-sorta sanctified in our Christian walk. Only partially living the truth. At least I think that’s what he means.
As much as I love giller . THIS does not Add up nor agree at all with Scripture . JESUS said , LOVE THE LORD with all YOUR HEART
no one who is partially living truth , IS SAVED PEROID .
Either we love HIM or we don't . their simply is no middle ground .
Either we living IN CHRIST for CHRIST , or we living for ourselves and hoping for the best .
GOD don't put partial love on our heart. TO say partial love , you may as well say NO LOVE AT ALL . Just the idea and the hope of vanity is all this is .
We have got to buckle down now , no we must double and triple down .
We must teach the pure truth . partial truth saves none , its only gives the delusion one is saved .
Giller is loved , so are you , but we gotta buckle down now and fast .
I tell us all, their is no such thing as PARTIAL LOVE , partial love is only LOVE OF SELF .
Wow I think people are not really getting at what I am saying, the main part of the 1 Peter chapter does speak of persecution, and the judgment of God, is talking about the chatisement of God, and no we are not to practice sin, for the wages of sin is death.
But the fact is that Christians can and do fall into sin at times, we are not to be carnally minded, we are to put on the mind of Christ, but Christians do struggle with sins at times, and some do give a bad witness, which they should not, but if they continue in ways that are not good they can lose their soul, and no one is sinlessly perfect, for if any of you are , then cast the first stone.
And yes there is a lot of fake Christians out there, but not all are fake, and some are new to Christ, yes they will have a love for God, but that does not mean that they have fully put on the mind of Christ, for all of us have to change, let us be careful of self righteousness.
We have to be careful with our attitudes in correction also, for just correction itself, does not guarantee that you are walking in the love of God, the attitude has to match up as well.
I will leave this post, with words from David Wilkerson, and we have to remember that Paul did correct bad attitudes in the church, among believers, let us not pretend that that did not happen.
So here is the quote , with more of David's comments, which I totally agree with this:
"Yet, as Peter writes, “If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Peter 4:18). Peter is speaking about judgment in the house of God. And I for one do not want to be “scarcely saved.”
Paul offers this counsel: “If we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world” (1 Corinthians 11:31–32). So, how are we to judge ourselves, as Paul says to do?
Here is the criterion by which I constantly judge myself: I ask, “Have I in any way hindered the gospel of Christ?” We know that the world cannot hinder the gospel. But the fact is, we who preach it can hinder it. Paul judged himself on this matter, writing, “(I) suffer all things, lest (I) should hinder the gospel of Christ” (1 Corinthians 9:12). The apostle is telling us, in essence, “I have to be careful of how I present the gospel. If I’m materialistically minded, or if I harbor covetousness or lust, I cannot possibly represent Christ accurately. It would cause a hindrance to the gospel I present. No, the way I live has to be a part of the gospel I preach.”
Consider the Corinthians in Paul’s time. They were bringing fancy foods to the feast table, while the poor among them didn’t have any food at all. Paul told them, in so many words, “You’re not really concerned about the needs of Christ’s body if your eye is only fixed on how to better your own life. You simply can’t be focused on God’s concerns if you don’t care whether your brother has enough money for his next meal.”
Any works or ministry that’s done with such a mindset won’t endure the Lord’s holy fire. Large numbers, successful methods and monumental achievements won’t mean anything in that hour, because God judges the motives of the heart. The question we have to ask ourselves today is, “Am I doing this for recognition? To be somebody? To secure my own future, with no regard for my brothers or sisters in need?” Make no mistake: the gospel of Jesus Christ goes forth unhindered, mighty and unstoppable. But this happens only when it is preached and taught in its fullness. It has to be delivered in the context of “the whole counsel of God.” As Paul says, “I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God” (Acts 20:27, italics mine).
A watered-down half-gospel is an abomination to the Lord. You see, I could write to you each month, saying, “Jesus loves you and wants to bless you. He wants you to enjoy your life. He desires to give you miracle after miracle.” This would be pure gospel truth. But it is only half the truth of the gospel. The whole gospel also includes warnings against the deceitfulness of sin.It includes repentance and godly sorrow, preparation for persecution, and a yearning for the coming of Christ. Scripture tells us in no uncertain terms, “Follow…holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14). The gospel of Christ always confronts man and then brings comfort to him. It will never accommodate the likes of sinful men."
Now if Christians eventually do not take heed to the chastisement of the Lord, they can backslide and eventually lose their soul, so this is a very serious thing, and God knows the limits, the boundaries of what being scarcely saved is, I will leave that judgment in God's hands, but no believer should ever desire to be one who is just making it, they should want to thrive in the Lord.
I will leave that judgment to God, and not place myself as God.
1Co 3:11-15 (11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.