Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Feb 26, 2019 12:46:59 GMT -5
It seems like people think I am saying that you can remain lukewarn and not repent and make it to heaven, I am not saying that at all. And there is a fine line to being saved as by fire, and God knows what that fine line is. could you elaborate a little? just reading words on a screen can be limited in some instances.
i have read what you say several times and i can not come to any other conclusion. if you do not have the words now, i am not in a hurry.
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 12:53:21 GMT -5
And just a side note, we know that sanctification flows from salvation.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 13:01:11 GMT -5
Letters: "Some people do struggle in their walk and fall sometimes, it does not mean they are not saved."Amen to this !!! Giller misunderstood me is all . partial love are those who sin willfully , who defend their evil , wont repent and still holler out his name . Yet as all would agree, if a brother or sister errs , We better be lightning fast to correct . Do not hate as many today do . for they either wont correct at all those who err or they justify the error and say all is well. Do not hate your brethren in your heart , in any way , any way and by all means REBUKE and correct them and do not allow sin upon them .
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:05:34 GMT -5
It seems like people think I am saying that you can remain lukewarn and not repent and make it to heaven, I am not saying that at all. And there is a fine line to being saved as by fire, and God knows what that fine line is. could you elaborate a little? just reading words on a screen can be limited in some instances.
i have read what you say several times and i can not come to any other conclusion. if you do not have the words now, i am not in a hurry.
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul.
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2019 13:11:36 GMT -5
Now when we become born again, there is a change that happens right away, but that does not mean everything has changed in our lives, in the sense that we are walking perfectly in the will of God, for we need to grow, and there are some who struggle a lot in their walk with God but still love the Lord, now how far can one go in backsliding before God gives them a bill of divorcement? God knows, but no Christian should want to backslide. See God is the judge, and knows the hearts, and knows were a person is at, and there is not enough teaching on how to properly walk by faith, and many frustrate the grace of God, because of not knowing how to properly walk by faith, and in fact, I think we all do at times. It is a gospel of surrender, giving ourselves over to the gospel, and not through self effort, self empowerment, but ceasing form our own works, and entering into the works of Christ. That last sentence is where we may part company somewhat. I do think there is a certain amount of self effort involved. If we are resisting the devil, that requires self effort. What am I missing here?
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:17:40 GMT -5
Self effort in the sense that we are trying to resit the devil, without the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, you know like the saying, it is not by might , nor by power, but by my Spirit says the Lord.
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2019 13:19:07 GMT -5
could you elaborate a little? just reading words on a screen can be limited in some instances.
i have read what you say several times and i can not come to any other conclusion. if you do not have the words now, i am not in a hurry.
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul. That about works being burned up has always meant deeds or ministry we did leading to no rewards. I never took that to mean sinful behavior.
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:21:52 GMT -5
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul. That about works being burned up has always meant deeds or ministry we did leading to no rewards. I never took that to mean sinful behavior.
Oh the works being burnt up, such as wood , hay and stubble, yes.
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:23:47 GMT -5
But there has to be some reason it says to be saved as of by fire, and it does not appear to me, that these bore much fruit.
(not that they did not bear any).
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:26:40 GMT -5
So the fire part , I will leave that to God to judge.
And I know that this judgment is a judgment of rewards, or suffering loss of them.
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:30:29 GMT -5
And know that the people of rewards such as gold, and silver are not said to be saved as of by fire, but the wood, hay people are said to be saved as of by fire, and it does say the word saved.
So there has to be a difference between being saved as of by fire and not being saved as of by fire.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 26, 2019 13:46:26 GMT -5
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. — 1 Corinthians 3:9-17
This is not about work of giving to charity, doing miracles, or anything like that. Paul planted churches to be local bodies. He laid the foundation of Christian living. Others came after him to build it up higher in fellowship, edification, and operating in the Spirit. This work — the work of discipling — ultimately determines what sort of temple God has to dwell in. Are church leaders giving Him pure and holy temples, or are they building flimsy huts which cannot contain the weight of His presence?
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. — James 3:1
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 13:57:46 GMT -5
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. — 1 Corinthians 3:9-17This is not about work of giving to charity, doing miracles, or anything like that. Paul planted churches to be local bodies. He laid the foundation of Christian living. Others came after him to build it up higher in fellowship, edification, and operating in the Spirit. This work — the work of discipling — ultimately determines what sort of temple God has to dwell in. Are church leaders giving Him pure and holy temples, or are they building flimsy huts which cannot contain the weight of His presence? My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. — James 3:1 That is no doubt food for thought.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 26, 2019 13:59:46 GMT -5
Each of us is given a job to do in the body, whether it be evangelism, discipling, intercessory prayer, or what have you. God puts a calling on each of us. This calling isn’t optional. The rest of the body needs it. Someone out there needs me to do my job so they can do their job. If I’m called to cover them in prayer, I need to cover them. If I’m called to teach them, I need to teach them. I can’t blow off my assignment and not expect consequences.
The purpose of this Christian walk isn’t simply to refrain from sin and escape punishment. We are dismantling the enemy’s kingdom, liberating captives, shining the light, and destroying works of darkness. “Well done thou good and faithful servant” isn’t just a call to avoid sin; it’s a call to be fruitful. When we start to realize that someone else’s life might depend on us fulfilling our call, it changes things.
I don’t want my service to God to be so flimsy that a fiery trial can undo it.
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2019 14:04:24 GMT -5
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. — 1 Corinthians 3:9-17This is not about work of giving to charity, doing miracles, or anything like that. Paul planted churches to be local bodies. He laid the foundation of Christian living. Others came after him to build it up higher in fellowship, edification, and operating in the Spirit. This work — the work of discipling — ultimately determines what sort of temple God has to dwell in. Are church leaders giving Him pure and holy temples, or are they building flimsy huts which cannot contain the weight of His presence? My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. — James 3:1 The foundation Paul laid is Jesus Christ. That is the starting point. People then build upon that foundation. Paul refers to these things as works. If the works are good, a reward will be given for them. If the works are bad, there will be the loss of rewards, but that man will still be saved. I don't see any way this can be talking about sins or righteous living. Righteous living is just to be expected. I do not expect rewards for only being an obedient Christian. That only makes me as an unprofitable servant. We are rewarded for good deeds we do, and ministry we perform.
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Luke 17:10
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