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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 16:44:44 GMT -5
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. — 1 Corinthians 3:9-17This is not about work of giving to charity, doing miracles, or anything like that. Paul planted churches to be local bodies. He laid the foundation of Christian living. Others came after him to build it up higher in fellowship, edification, and operating in the Spirit. This work — the work of discipling — ultimately determines what sort of temple God has to dwell in. Are church leaders giving Him pure and holy temples, or are they building flimsy huts which cannot contain the weight of His presence? My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. — James 3:1 The foundation Paul laid is Jesus Christ. That is the starting point. People then build upon that foundation. Paul refers to these things as works. If the works are good, a reward will be given for them. If the works are bad, there will be the loss of rewards, but that man will still be saved. I don't see any way this can be talking about sins or righteous living. Righteous living is just to be expected. I do not expect rewards for only being an obedient Christian. That only makes me as an unprofitable servant. We are rewarded for good deeds we do, and ministry we perform.
So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Luke 17:10
as I often tell Cletus on worthy , SAY IT AGAIN BUTERO . SAY IT AGAIN . Yall we in the last days and the devil is doing everything now to get us to overlook things . To get us to the point where we easing up on correction and then no correction at all. I AM TRIPLING DOWN on correction and sound doctrine . Fully realizing this will cost me to be totally cast out and severly hated only more . I have determined if the whole world turns against me , THE TRUTH ALONE will be said . Get the helmets on , cause deception wont be slowing down , in fact be all out prepared the dark one is coming full force for our minds , RESIST HIM IN CHRIST and count the cost and be prepared to lose all . And I mean , ALL , even our life .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 17:44:02 GMT -5
I had another dream last night . This one was very strange and it needs to be tested . But in the dream me and another we speaking of Christ to a large crowd of people then the day turned into night and I heard one person rejoicing as they yelled We got a new president , TRUMP is gone . AND LIKE a switch every single one in that crowd turned full force against me . As they were so enbolnded and had great hate for the truth . And nothing could stop them , they came full force . And then I woke up . What on earth does this mean .
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Post by Cletus on Feb 26, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -5
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul. That about works being burned up has always meant deeds or ministry we did leading to no rewards. I never took that to mean sinful behavior.
its not talking about sinful behavior... when we read the whole passage the whole premise of the apostle is ... on the foundation of Christ. therefore this passage is to someone in Christ.
if the conversation veers into the lane of pastors preaching false teachings and leading others astray... we have changed subjects.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 26, 2019 18:09:20 GMT -5
could you elaborate a little? just reading words on a screen can be limited in some instances.
i have read what you say several times and i can not come to any other conclusion. if you do not have the words now, i am not in a hurry.
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul. I am unsure the connection of the scriptures from 1 Corinthians and 1 Peter? How are you linking these two together... what is your train of thought here?
in the passage in 1 cor. the Apostle is talking about the foundation being on Christ so they are in Christ.
I have seen in my life how the hay and stubble of prosperity name it and claim it, by faith bring down the anointing from heaven and speak it into existence, wont hold water. so i am with you on that.
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2019 18:13:21 GMT -5
I had another dream last night . This one was very strange and it needs to be tested . But in the dream me and another we speaking of Christ to a large crowd of people then the day turned into night and I heard one person rejoicing as they yelled We got a new president , TRUMP is gone . AND LIKE a switch every single one in that crowd turned full force against me . As they were so enbolnded and had great hate for the truth . And nothing could stop them , they came full force . And then I woke up . What on earth does this mean . Our window to freely share the gospel is drawing to a close. Will we have 2 years or 6? Apparently, things will turn rapidly down hill after Trump is gone. To me, this shows the lateness of the hour. Night is swiftly approaching.
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Post by PG4Him on Feb 26, 2019 18:59:50 GMT -5
1 Corinthians 3 is very clearly about the work of ministers laboring for the church.
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. — 1 Corinthians 3:4-9
We ended up on that passage because it speaks of someone saved as through fire. His work was tested by fire and judged to be useless.
It is my position (and I believe the position of John, Abby, and a few others) that born-again Christians are tested by fire, both in their personal faith and in their service to the kingdom, so that no flesh will be left standing before God. Those who don’t endure the test will fall away. Those who endure will have a reward of pure gold for their service, and and they will be ultimately be saved from God’s wrath on the day of judgement. The testing is so rigorous that few come out with much profit. And if the saints can barely pass God’s inspection, the sinners have no chance.
This is what I/we believe 1 Peter 4 is talking about. We were looking at the fire inspection of 1 Corinthians 3 because it tells us kingdom workers are in fact tested by fire.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Feb 26, 2019 19:16:14 GMT -5
I had another dream last night . This one was very strange and it needs to be tested . But in the dream me and another we speaking of Christ to a large crowd of people then the day turned into night and I heard one person rejoicing as they yelled We got a new president , TRUMP is gone . AND LIKE a switch every single one in that crowd turned full force against me . As they were so enbolnded and had great hate for the truth . And nothing could stop them , they came full force . And then I woke up . What on earth does this mean . Our window to freely share the gospel is drawing to a close. Will we have 2 years or 6? Apparently, things will turn rapidly down hill after Trump is gone. To me, this shows the lateness of the hour. Night is swiftly approaching.
That is a very good interpretation I think Butero. I also linked your name to a post I had Frienduff about Trump and the Aligator swamp..... We really need to be in prayer for our president. I don't know his heart but God does. We must continue to be in intercessory prayer for him. I believe like John, time is almost up.
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Post by John on Feb 26, 2019 19:37:32 GMT -5
Our window to freely share the gospel is drawing to a close. Will we have 2 years or 6? Apparently, things will turn rapidly down hill after Trump is gone. To me, this shows the lateness of the hour. Night is swiftly approaching.
That is a very good interpretation I think Butero. I also linked your name to a post I had Frienduff about Trump and the Aligator swamp..... We really need to be in prayer for our president. I don't know his heart but God does. We must continue to be in intercessory prayer for him. I believe like John, time is almost up. I think it is more about what God is doing than President Trump. I believe that God is using President Trump to hold back the advancement of evil to some degree, but once he is gone, we could have the most wicked President this nation has ever seen. Things could take a terrible turn overnight.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 20:56:03 GMT -5
I had another dream last night . This one was very strange and it needs to be tested . But in the dream me and another we speaking of Christ to a large crowd of people then the day turned into night and I heard one person rejoicing as they yelled We got a new president , TRUMP is gone . AND LIKE a switch every single one in that crowd turned full force against me . As they were so enbolnded and had great hate for the truth . And nothing could stop them , they came full force . And then I woke up . What on earth does this mean . Our window to freely share the gospel is drawing to a close. Will we have 2 years or 6? Apparently, things will turn rapidly down hill after Trump is gone. To me, this shows the lateness of the hour. Night is swiftly approaching.
OH , we gonna preach it till our last breath . But yeah , I know what you saying . We about to really get hammered for preaching it . Either way , We going out as we came in , PREACHING JESUS ONLY SAVES , and if we die ,then we die . BUT WE GOT ALL HOPE . hands up butero, hands up and praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 21:02:10 GMT -5
That is a very good interpretation I think Butero. I also linked your name to a post I had Frienduff about Trump and the Aligator swamp..... We really need to be in prayer for our president. I don't know his heart but God does. We must continue to be in intercessory prayer for him. I believe like John, time is almost up. I think it is more about what God is doing than President Trump. I believe that God is using President Trump to hold back the advancement of evil to some degree, but once he is gone, we could have the most wicked President this nation has ever seen. Things could take a terrible turn overnight.
Beautiful answer butero. GOD is in control . He will use whomever to do what HE has already purposed to be done . HE used pharaoh , HE used cyrus , HE uses godly and ungodly men , some to do good , some to hammer the church . Folks this is true . GOD allows and does ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL and PURPOSE . As much as I know trump is not yet saved or born again , And yes he also does works of darkness, trump is also doing as it was appointed . REMEMBER , GOD even causes the ten kings to surrender their kingdoms UNTO THE BEAST . GOD IS THE ONE IN CONTROL . WE JUST NEED TO FOLLOW and HEED CHRIST through it all. Do be on guard though, trump is really messed up in this religious tolerance paul white stuff . But as I said , GOD gives people the desire of their heart , could be that not only was trump appointed to delay things a bit BUT also to be used to deceive the evangelicals who play worship yet follow NOT GOD . SO this could be a two fold thing going on at the same time . Either way , GOD is in control and we need to know and understand the cost and count it . Be prepared to lose all and die for the LORD . AND HE WILL BE WITH US till the end . JUST keep on and continue in HIM , or cast out many will be . Now , hands up its time to PRAISE THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 26, 2019 21:05:39 GMT -5
Our window to freely share the gospel is drawing to a close. Will we have 2 years or 6? Apparently, things will turn rapidly down hill after Trump is gone. To me, this shows the lateness of the hour. Night is swiftly approaching.
That is a very good interpretation I think Butero. I also linked your name to a post I had Frienduff about Trump and the Aligator swamp..... We really need to be in prayer for our president. I don't know his heart but God does. We must continue to be in intercessory prayer for him. I believe like John, time is almost up. Sister , I sent you a video . IF any thinks we aint running out of time , Watch that video and tell me , WHAT DAYS THESE BE . EVERYTHING Is RIGHT AT THE DOOR . ANd I mean right at the door . And that Nasty one world unity delusion , is also springing into high gear . WE are ever close to it all just kicking off . You are loved dear sister . I was worried when I did not see you here for a bit . I was like , where is my sister who is getting the cows fat . You are loved dear sister .
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Post by Giller on Feb 27, 2019 0:23:21 GMT -5
That about works being burned up has always meant deeds or ministry we did leading to no rewards. I never took that to mean sinful behavior.
its not talking about sinful behavior... when we read the whole passage the whole premise of the apostle is ... on the foundation of Christ. therefore this passage is to someone in Christ.
if the conversation veers into the lane of pastors preaching false teachings and leading others astray... we have changed subjects.
Of course it is talking about Christians, never said it was not. And it is good to go to a few verses before as well, here is the scripture: 1Co 3:9-15 (9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. (10) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. (11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. There is no doubt that there is an aspect of sanctification here, for it is talking about building on the word. And of course as you build upon the word, it will build fruit in your life. But it also says to take heed how you build thereupon. Whether you are a minister or just an individual believer, you have to be careful how you build, which can determine how much fruit or lack of fruit will be in your life, and with fruit, it will result in works. And of course man's work being burned but yet suffering loss, refers to loss of rewards, not loss of salvation, but the next part speaks of yet he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire, which shows that it will not touch his salvation. And I still feel many are twisting what I am saying and are not understanding, or maybe in some cases do not want to, i do not know, but anyhow I want to believe the whole council of the word, nothing added or taken away. And remember that it says saved as by fire, at the end. And I can see that people are saying that I am saying that this whole chapter is on sin, that is baloney. And one thing we have to remember is that sanctification flows from salvation. I do not know why the judgment of God part is being ignored in 1 Peter, which we get chastised of the Lord for our sins, not for being persecuted for doing well. Yes our faith gets tried and tested in persecution, but that is not the judgment of God. Why not discuss this part as well, instead of just saying I am right and you are wrong.
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Post by Giller on Feb 27, 2019 0:32:23 GMT -5
Concerning being saved by fire, the bible does not elaborate much on this, it mentions that you will suffer loss, but be saved as of by fire. Since the bible does not elaborate much on this, I do not want to, and what that fine line is, I do not know. Maybe it is not meant for us to know, but for God only to know. All I know is we must continue in the love of God, we must continue in his salvation, and that is were I will leave it at. One thing I do know, is that sometimes, people who truly love the Lord, get caught up into false doctrine, and later on realized it was false, and there are some who God knows their hearts, and how they seek to please him, and that if they were to die, even though they did not realize that this or that was a false doctrine, that they will still go to heaven, but in saying that, that does not mean that false doctrine is not dangerous, it is very dangerous, and it can lead you in a path way of losing your soul. I am unsure the connection of the scriptures from 1 Corinthians and 1 Peter? How are you linking these two together... what is your train of thought here?
in the passage in 1 cor. the Apostle is talking about the foundation being on Christ so they are in Christ.
I have seen in my life how the hay and stubble of prosperity name it and claim it, by faith bring down the anointing from heaven and speak it into existence, wont hold water. so i am with you on that. I take both passages as it referring to Christians. Many that i know are seeing it the way I am explaining it. It was never a thought to me that there was any other interpretation until I looked into it. I might get into more detail at another time. I would agree with David Wilkerson's assessment on it, and I seen an associate pastor at Jimmy's preach it in a similar manner, that is the 1 Peter verse. And in 1 Peter it speaks of the judgment of God, we should not ignore this, and it says this with the scarcely saved.
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Post by Giller on Feb 27, 2019 0:54:43 GMT -5
There is no doubt that both the 1 Corinthians scripture and the 1 Peter scripture, have 2 different subjects, one speaks of the judgment of God, and the other speaks of loss of reward, but concerning the 1 Peter verse, it mentions "if" the righteous be scarcely saved, and the 1 Corinthians scripture mentions them being saved as of by fire.
To me those are the similarities, but the subjects are totally different.
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Post by Giller on Feb 27, 2019 6:05:03 GMT -5
The way I take the words scarcely saved, or saved , but as by fire, is in the sense that they just made it in.
And it does not say the words scarcely, and as by fire for nothing.
I do not think people realize how intertwined things really are.
They do not suffer loss of reward for no reason, and often times one thing leads to another thing.
As I said sanctification flows from salvation.
And this next statement, I am saying as a side note.
See every one grows at a different pace in the Lord, God sees the heart, and knows were a person is at, God does not judge as man judges.
Someone can be a Christian for 1 year, and another for 20 years and get the same reward.
And there is always a reason why someone may not be bearing much fruit.
You can only harden your heart so long against the process of sanctification, to were it can affect your salvation, and can lead you to turn away from God.
Things are a lot more intertwined than what we think, things tend to work together with each other, and one thing affects the other.
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