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Post by John on Dec 14, 2018 10:45:16 GMT -5
This is not an offshoot of any other thread, but it something I have felt the need to discuss. Most of us remember the day we accepted Christ and got saved. We may not know the calendar date, but we remember the event. I have been encountering professing Christians that can't do that, and never invited Jesus to come into their heart and save them. They will claim they are saved because they have believed in the Lord from their youth. Is it possible a person like that is really saved?
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 14, 2018 10:56:03 GMT -5
I don’t know if it’s a matter of asking Jesus in your heart, but it is a matter of repenting and calling on Jesus to save us from ourselves. I do believe there has to be a “light bulb” moment when you realize the fix you are in. I don’t believe that any amount of teaching or coaching in childhood can bypass that. And there’s no such thing as being saved since birth, no matter how many preachers’ kids say otherwise. Even among those who get saved in early childhood, they remember the salvation experience.
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Post by John on Dec 14, 2018 11:14:54 GMT -5
I don’t know if it’s a matter of asking Jesus in your heart, but it is a matter of repenting and calling on Jesus to save us from ourselves. I do believe there has to be a “light bulb” moment when you realize the fix you are in. I don’t believe that any amount of teaching or coaching in childhood can bypass that. And there’s no such thing as being saved since birth, no matter how many preachers’ kids say otherwise. Even among those who get saved in early childhood, they remember the salvation experience. I can remember the day, where I was and what led to my repenting of my sins and accepting Christ. Almost everybody I know that is a professing Christian can do that, but I know of two people at another message board that have said they can't point to any specific time, and they never repented and called on Jesus. They just said they are Christians because they believe.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 14, 2018 11:16:47 GMT -5
There are too many verses about belief not being enough.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 14, 2018 11:23:00 GMT -5
I don’t remember the date, but I remember the month/year, and the whole circumstance is well etched in memory. I can see the room I was in, the face of the preacher, the location around us, everything. That event has a special place in my mind. I remember it more vividly than I remember my wedding.
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Post by John on Dec 14, 2018 11:29:03 GMT -5
I do not know the date, but I know I was 17, where I was at, that I had been under conviction for 6 months before accepting Christ, and the topic of the sermon I heard that led me to accept Jesus that day. I remember the fear of hell and judgment being taken away at that moment. I believed in the Lord since I was a child, but wasn't saved.
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Post by Cletus on Dec 14, 2018 11:47:56 GMT -5
If the Spirit of God is not in you then you do NOT have the power in you over the grave... The One who holds the keys to death and hell is not in you... you have no way to overcome sin... and you would still be under the law. all of what i have said is according to God breathed scripture.
you ever heard that song... I believe i can fly... i believe i can touch the sky...? how many people that have sung that song can fly?
When we have The Spirit of Jesus in us, when God looks at us thats what He sees. and whats there if not Jesus? according to scripture you cant even have fellowship with other believers without the Spirit. How would God know you? and you dont let people in your house you dont know.
what you call those people, according to scripture is pretenders. and there are two kinds of pretenders. those that know they are pretending and those that dont. someone who has never experienced Gods Spirit coming into them, and cleaning them up, and them becoming a new person... having that breath of life in them... they do not know anything about it. they dont know God... if you dont know God how then are you saved (see my signature at the end of every post Hos6:6)
thats another thing... breath. in Genesis God breathed in his nostrils and he became a living soul... ann Adam and Eve ate the fruit God said not to, and they did surely die that day... Spiritually. God knows everything but when he came he called out to Adam... where are you? God already knew where He was. If we do not open the door of our heart to Jesus we are still in that dead spirit state.
the only thing that can take away our sin and regenerate us is The Blood that was shed. if we have not accepted that, and asked Him into our heart we have no part in Him.
unless of course... He did you like He did me, and apprehend you... just come and show you how wicked you are, take it off you and then put His Spirit in you, without you really asking Him to... but this is rare. I have never shook hands with one other who can share these details in testimony.
I do remember when and where.
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Post by John on Dec 14, 2018 11:58:57 GMT -5
If Christ apprehended you, I don't see how you could ever forget the experience! You would still remember getting saved.
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Post by PG4Him on Dec 14, 2018 12:17:57 GMT -5
Jesus didn’t apprehend me, but He debated me into a corner and left me no logical choice. I remember walking down that aisle to pray, and feeling none too happy about it. My conversion was anything but emotional hysterics!
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Post by Cletus on Dec 14, 2018 12:25:00 GMT -5
If Christ apprehended you, I don't see how you could ever forget the experience! You would still remember getting saved.
I was in jail sitting on my bunk. i had thoughts what good am i doing in my life... in others lives ... in the world. the questions kept coming faster and faster. the answer to all was none, nothing, none. then I felt Him up by the ceiling. i felt heavy, like the weight of my sin was crushing me, it was hard to breath. notice i said breath... and God breathed the breath of LIFE into their nostrils, Praise God. God is our breath, our strength... and sin weighs us down... in hell folks will have a hard time breathing and not just from smoke, anyway... i tried to get up and move, but the weight was so heavy i fell down. i literally fell off my bunk... i had no strength... God is our strength. then i felt Him lift it off me, and put His Spirit in me. i felt so light and clean inside. i began weeping and rocking back and forth saying over and over, I'll be good, I'll be good.
oh yes, i remember.
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Post by Cletus on Dec 14, 2018 12:56:57 GMT -5
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Psa 73:26 My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
Isa 40:29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
we take for granted many things God gives us in life, in our own self in the flesh. physical life, biological life. the bible speaks not only to spiritual, but to physical as well.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Dec 14, 2018 13:13:37 GMT -5
Must We Formally Accept Christ?
It is a matter of faith. After I knew the Lord, I felt the need to do it.
But I did it for love and I believed I should do it.
Just follow the faith. I cannot recommend people otherwise.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;" - Proverbs 3:5
It is like water baptism, some say it is not needed.
And I do not recommend anyone to refuse to do something the Lord has commanded.
"...Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." - 1 Samuel 15:22-23
Then, please, get baptized as soon as possible if you haven't. Do so if you believe.
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved..." - Mark 16:16Most of us remember the day we accepted Christ and got saved.
As Cletus likes to give an attention to KNOWING, I will copy him this time and tell you: You must KNOW you received salvation at some point.
"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." - 1 Corinthians 14:33
If you do not KNOW you have been saved then start seeking...
You may as well call upon the name of the Lord, just wish and say:
Lord, please, save me!
"For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”" - Romans 10:13
"And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak..." - 2 Corinthians 4:13
And He will save you.
"Seek the Lord while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near." - Isaiah 55:6
"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds..." - Matthew 7:8
"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him." - Romans 10:12I have been encountering professing Christians that can't do that, and never invited Jesus to come into their heart and save them.
They will claim they are saved because they have believed in the Lord from their youth. Is it possible a person like that is really saved?
Unfortunately, I believe most of these people are deceived.
Because it is impossible when someone receives salvation and stay the same.
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." - 2 Corinthians 5:17
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Post by Cletus on Dec 14, 2018 14:23:03 GMT -5
Praise God. that put a smile on my face Letters.
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
THERE IS NO GREATER THING THAN TO KNOW GOD!!!
All I once held dear, built my life upon All this world reveres, and wars to own All I once thought gain I have counted loss Spent and worthless now, compared to this
Knowing you, Jesus Knowing you, there is no greater thing You're my all, you're the best You're my joy, my righteousness And I love you, Lord
Now my heart's desire is to know you more To be found in you and known as yours To possess by faith what I could not earn All-surpassing gift of righteousness
Oh, to know the power of your risen life And to know You in Your sufferings To become like you in your death, my Lord So with you to live and never die
-Graham Kendrick
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Post by frienduff on Dec 14, 2018 16:32:47 GMT -5
I don’t know if it’s a matter of asking Jesus in your heart, but it is a matter of repenting and calling on Jesus to save us from ourselves. I do believe there has to be a “light bulb” moment when you realize the fix you are in. I don’t believe that any amount of teaching or coaching in childhood can bypass that. And there’s no such thing as being saved since birth, no matter how many preachers’ kids say otherwise. Even among those who get saved in early childhood, they remember the salvation experience. I can remember the day, where I was and what led to my repenting of my sins and accepting Christ. Almost everybody I know that is a professing Christian can do that, but I know of two people at another message board that have said they can't point to any specific time, and they never repented and called on Jesus. They just said they are Christians because they believe. Oh its not only the year I can remember , its not only the month , or even the week . I clearly remember may thirtieth of two thousand and six, around perhaps five n the afternoon give or take at most an hour . Yall wanna hear something that might scare some . Even before this date , even as a wicked hog , I could tell people that only JESUS saves . NOW THATS SCARY . and its the boat most are in . I KNOW . Most folks got some head knowledge , BUT GOT NO IDEA of the experience of truly being born again . Cause when I show them my faith by my works , THEY ACCUSE ME OF WORKS SALVATION . NOPE its simply OBEYING THE SPIRIT . WHEN I say men can fall away , I MEAN IT . lusts can and do choke the word , the love of truth RIGHT OUT OF FOLKS . ITS NASTY and its a monster SIN IS . AND ITS WHY the early church was so dire and grave and quick to point out and remind , that angels that KEPT not their first estate, KADOW they fell too . That beware lest you being led away by the error of the wicked FALL from your own steadfastness. IS REAL and can happen . THEY got no idea THAT though I warn and remind , ITS THE SPIRIT doing the unctioning and instead they holler WORKS WORKS you think you saved by works . NO , the SPIRIT is REAL and honestly most don't have it . THEY got mens doctrines , they got some truth and know some scriptures . BUT They got no idea that the scriptures they bring to support their acrynom , AINT EVEN SUPPORTING THIER ACROYNM. Folks are in dire straits and grivesous troubles and KNOW IT NOT . They got no idea what it means to be able to have power over sin . They got no idea what it means TO LOVE TRUTH , they see it as works or trying to earn salvation . THEY got no idea what it means to have faith and what it means to deny faith . They got head knowledge , BUT are NOT BORN AGAIN . Here is a question . Anyone notice how they always say WE are only justified by faith . WHICH IS TRUE , but they use it to accuse us . WELL they don't even have faith and have denied the faith . WANNA KNOW HOW I KNOW . THEY see sin as no big deal, they think if you simply believe you are saved , WHICH IS TRUE , only they don't believe from the heart . AND you wanna know how easy it is to see . GO remind them that faith without works is dead , WHICH IS TRUE and they holler back you preaching works saves . OR go holler like I did and say I KNOW its FIATH alone that justifies and that the spirit produces works . AND STILL they holler we aint seeing it . BUT the real clear example and , take this to the bank . IS you know how they always say they have faith . THEY DONT . they deny it and know it not and call it works earning . HOW does one deny the FAITH . ANYONE of them wanna answer this . YOU Wont hear this answer from them . YOU KNOW HOW WE DENY THE FAITH , WE OMIT JESUS SAYINGS and DONT DO THEM . THAT IS HOW . DO you want proof . GOOD . go read timothy . PAUL was telling timothy that a man that wont take care of a widow in his family , HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH and is worse than an infidel. ITS ONE OF JESUS MANY SAYINGS . SO FIATH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD AINT IT . DENY HIS SAYINGS , YOU HAVE DENIED THE FAITH , YOU HAVE DENEIED HIM . now got tell that to osas , and you will hear , YALL DONT HAVE FIATH IN HIM , YOU PREACH WORKS . I AM TELLING YALL , that many of them DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT . THEY ARE NOT SAVED they only think they are .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 14, 2018 16:41:35 GMT -5
There are too many verses about belief not being enough. YEAH and look how CLEAR james made that . OH so you believe their is one God , you do well, BUT remember the demons also believe. DONT YA KNOW that faith without works IS DEAD . And you wanna hear something that could give a whale goose bumps . WHEN I remind about JESUS sayings I got folks saying strike two , THAT IS JUST an allegory or how bout this , OH but those sayings were BEFORE THE CROSS , as though whatever JESUS said before the cross is of no concern to us today . THEY ARE NOT SAVED Candace . THIER fruits and the way they can omit and twist jESUS sayings or other HOLY SPIRIT inspired sayings the apostels wrote AND DO IT with NO CONVICTION . shows evidence , OF WHERE ON EARTH is the HOLY GHOST , for IF the HOLY GHOST were In them , THEN WHY are they not at least CONVICTED OF ERROR . Facts are facts . THIS is not me judging them , I have watched them for a long time and they RESIST the TRUTH . THIS ABRAHAM DID NOT DO . THEY ALWAYS RESIST the TRUTH .
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