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Post by Sister on Dec 16, 2018 11:57:22 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 18, 2018 19:54:47 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
H7886 שִׁילֹה Shiyloh (shee-lo') n/p. 1. tranquil. 2. Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah.
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Post by Sister on Dec 21, 2018 20:45:47 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
H7886 שִׁילֹה Shiyloh (shee-lo') n/p. 1. tranquil. 2. Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah.
Thank you. Do you mean a symbol of the Messiah? So not the Messiah himself, but a symbol of him? Can you please answer in your own words so I can understand better.
I will wait and see if there are any more answers.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 21, 2018 21:00:13 GMT -5
H7886 שִׁילֹה Shiyloh (shee-lo') n/p. 1. tranquil. 2. Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah.
Thank you. Do you mean a symbol of the Messiah? So not the Messiah himself, but a symbol of him? Can you please answer in your own words so I can understand better.
I will wait and see if there are any more answers.
epithet (ĕpˈə-thĕtˌ)
1. A term used to characterize a person or thing, such as the Great in Catherine the Great. 2. A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln.
Shiyloh comes from Sabbath meaning rest. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It's one of many many titles given to the Lord.
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Post by Sister on Dec 24, 2018 11:23:46 GMT -5
Thank you Abdicate
The reason why I ask is because the other week, a man of God asked me if I knew who Shiloh was? I hadn't really looked into it, but remembered driving past a church called "The Church of Shiloh" He gave me Gen 49:10. I read it quickly and replied it can only be Christ. The man said to me "so you don't know?" The man is my uncle and mentor in Christ. I meet with him once a week in his house. It's just him and myself. A very small church consisting of two.
So I got stirred up and curious all of a sudden, like I usually get.
Gen 49:10 is the first time the word “Shiloh” is mentioned;
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
However, when I re-read Genesis chapter 49, I noticed that it said this;
Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Rueben
Genesis 49:3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
Genesis 49:4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.
Simeon and Levi;
Genesis 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
Genesis 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Genesis 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Then when he gets to Judah;
Genesis 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
Genesis 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Genesis 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
Genesis 49:12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
Judah was loyal to God through King David, and his Son Solomon until he sinned. From there it went downhill.
….but when I go to Jeremiah 7;
Jeremiah 7:12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.
So God was first known in Shiloh, and then wickedness came to that place.
Now looking at more of that chapter;
Jeremiah 7:2 Stand in the gate of the LORD'S house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD.
Jeremiah 7:3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.
Jeremiah 7:4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.
Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
Jeremiah 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jeremiah 7:7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.
Jeremiah 7:8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.
Jeremiah 7:9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
Jeremiah 7:10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?
Jeremiah 7:11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 7:12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.
(Remember Shiloh?)
Jeremiah 7:13 And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not;
Jeremiah 7:14 Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.
Jeremiah 7:15 And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim.
Jeremiah 7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Jeremiah 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jeremiah 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Jeremiah 7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
Jeremiah 7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
Jeremiah 7:29 Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.
Jeremiah 7:30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
So Shiloh - the land where the Lord first made himself known to Israel – Where the first prophet Samuel addressed the entire nation of Israel, became an abomination. You can read the rest of the chapter how God is angry at this land which is polluted.
Now moving forward in Jeremiah, Jeremiah 26:2 Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD'S house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD'S house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:
Jeremiah 26:3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 26:4 And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,
Jeremiah 26:5 To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;
Jeremiah 26:6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.
Jeremiah 26:8 Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the LORD had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests and the prophets and all the people took him, saying, Thou shalt surely die.
Jeremiah 26:9 Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD.
Jeremiah 26:10 When the princes of Judah heard these things, then they came up from the king's house unto the house of the LORD, and sat down in the entry of the new gate of the LORD'S house.
Jeremiah 26:11 Then spake the priests and the prophets unto the princes and to all the people, saying, This man is worthy to die; for he hath prophesied against this city, as ye have heard with your ears.
From what I can see, Shiloh is not referred to in a positive light, but a negative one, for it is the place where sin entered the house of the Lord.
Going back to the initial verse;
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Now because those other verses have shed some more light - The sceptre departed from Judah when Shiloh came – abominations (first temple destroyed), and Judah has ceased ruling.
Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
That was the past. Now go to the future, and see if we can compare today. The new Judah is Christ. His followers are Christians. This would be spiritual Judah today. The leaders of the denominations rule the flock. Shiloh is remembered in a negative light. The falling away must come first, and the people who worship in "that land", Shiloh, will gather unto that. Shiloh shall come again like it did for Judah back then. Now I can see what Shiloh means in a spiritual sense, the real meaning, and I hope all can see this also. It is not a good thing, but a falling away. It's a land where the temple of the Lord is polluted by his own, by the ruling authority.
Now don't anyone take this personal please. You may think I am anti-church, but I am only going by what the Lord has spoken through his prophets, and knowing what is to come spiritually amongst the masses of which we have been warned about in several places of the New Testament also.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 24, 2018 11:56:39 GMT -5
A very small church consisting of two.
Amen!! As it was intended! Jesus said to make disciples, not buildings! I enjoyed your study! It was indeed insightful and useful. While reading it, I couldn't help but remember this verse when speaking of Jerusalem:
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Post by Sister on Dec 25, 2018 4:22:20 GMT -5
A very small church consisting of two.
Amen!! As it was intended! Jesus said to make disciples, not buildings! I enjoyed your study! It was indeed insightful and useful. While reading it, I couldn't help but remember this verse when speaking of Jerusalem:
What a coincidence you mentioned the two witnesses. We spoke about this scripture a few days ago regarding the timing, and the world sending gifts to one another after they were killed. I am interested in your thoughts as to what you are seeing here?
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 25, 2018 10:18:55 GMT -5
What a coincidence you mentioned the two witnesses. We spoke about this scripture a few days ago regarding the timing, and the world sending gifts to one another after they were killed. I am interested in your thoughts as to what you are seeing here?
Here are my summary thoughts: They preach for 1260 days, get killed on Passover (from my own calculations and thoughts), lay there for 3.5 days on CNN, are brought back to life on CNN, and then raptured to heaven. From the day they're killed, 1260 days later the Lord Jesus comes to begin His 1000-year reign. Who are the two witnesses? The scriptures do not say. I do not believe they are Moses, Elijah, or Enoch. I believe they are chosen from those still alive on earth. God doesn't recycle ministries. He brings a fresh anointing. I believe they kick off the tribulation, not the rapture. Before the flood, a year was 360 days long. This is proven by the calculations by the days of the Noah. The orbit of the earth will change returning the year to 360 days long (though I'm not yet 100% about this.) I do know that the rotation of the earth speeds up so it cuts off 8 hours. So instead of it taking 24 hours to do a full rotation, it'll only take 16 hours. How's that for thoughts? Rouge, right?
Merry Christmas!
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 25, 2018 10:22:23 GMT -5
Here's a timeline I worked out:
The 1150 Days are the 2300 sacrifices of the mornings and evenings (ערב בקר), not "days" (יום) of Daniel 8:14. There is the morning sacrifice and the evening sacrifice, so the number 2300 is of sacrifices, not days. Using 2 per day, 2300 divided by 2 is 1150 days.
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Post by Sister on Dec 25, 2018 12:50:54 GMT -5
What a coincidence you mentioned the two witnesses. We spoke about this scripture a few days ago regarding the timing, and the world sending gifts to one another after they were killed. I am interested in your thoughts as to what you are seeing here?
Here are my summary thoughts: They preach for 1260 days, get killed on Passover (from my own calculations and thoughts), lay there for 3.5 days on CNN, are brought back to life on CNN, and then raptured to heaven. From the day they're killed, 1260 days later the Lord Jesus comes to begin His 1000-year reign. Who are the two witnesses? The scriptures do not say. I do not believe they are Moses, Elijah, or Enoch. I believe they are chosen from those still alive on earth. God doesn't recycle ministries. He brings a fresh anointing. I believe they kick off the tribulation, not the rapture. Before the flood, a year was 360 days long. This is proven by the calculations by the days of the Noah. The orbit of the earth will change returning the year to 360 days long (though I'm not yet 100% about this.) I do know that the rotation of the earth speeds up so it cuts off 8 hours. So instead of it taking 24 hours to do a full rotation, it'll only take 16 hours. How's that for thoughts? Rouge, right?
Merry Christmas!
Thank you for giving me your take. That is very interesting indeed! I will share my view which is slightly different. I think I may of done a post on it a while back as there are so many clues for us to consider.
The Beast and the FP will rule for 3.5 yrs. This is the length of the whole tribulation. The two witnesses will come on to the scene just before or after the FP takes rule, I'm not sure, but around the same time. They will witness for 3.5 yrs (1260 days). Once the Mark of the Beast is issued as law, and the saints start getting persecuted and put into prison, the two witnesses will do the same as Moses and Aaron did in Egypt - they will plead with the king (FP) to let God's people go, and if he doesn't they will send the plagues. Hence, the seven angels with the seven plagues are ready for God to give the command - and the two witnesses are God's mouth piece so to speak given much authority on his behalf.
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The king will not let God's people go, just like Pharoah refused, so they send the first plague, then the next, and so forth.
The seven plagues are all within the 3.5yrs time frame, after that, the Coming. This beast's kingdom is a short lived kingdom unlike all the rest before them.
Out of the seven plagues there are three woes. These are the worst plagues.
Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
The first woe is the 5th angel.
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
The second woe is the killing of the two witnesses
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
If the first woe is the 5th angel, then the second woe must happen during the days of the 6th angel. The two witnesses are killed around here. If we study what's happening at the 6th angel, we see the nations are going to war against each other where a third of men die.
Revelation 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Revelation 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
(weapons of war - planes, jets, tanks, canons etc.)
This war, is a plague - a plague of death, the 6th plague. Nation against nation, king against king,....this war is cut short, or else all flesh will be killed. So whilst they are fighting, Christ appears "in the sky", and the armies filled with fear - stop warring, make up and assemble at Meggido to prepare for war against the Lamb.
Whilst they are assembling at Megiddo, Christ comes down and his feet touch the Mt of Olives (where he used to always pray). Christ is luring them to come down from Megiddo through the valley of Jehoshaphat, and the valley of Hinnom to where he is standing. When Christ descends there, a great earthquake happens and the valleys deepen, widen and join together for the troops to make their way through. At the same time the remnants of Israel make their way of escape out of Jerusalem as Christ provides a safe passage by creating another valley just for them.
When Christ destroys all those armies assembled against him, it will be the third woe (the last woe). It is "finished", "done". This is during the days of the 7th angel with the last plague.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
So what I am seeing here, is that when the second woe is past, the third woe comes "quickly". This is what my uncle and I were discussing in regards to the timing of the death of the two witnesses. When they are killed, the world is rejoicing and sending presents. Every one thinks the plagues have stopped because the two witnesses are seen as the bad guys and they are dead now, .....but suddenly God sends a sword (war) upon the earth. This war will not last long, but will be intense. It will shake the earth up like never before, and like it says, the third woe comes "quickly" after the second woe (death of the two witnesses)
So where does the death of the two witnesses fit in? They are definately after the 5th angel, so possibly at the beginning of the 6th angel, just before war breaks out. If this is so, then the two witnesses come on to the scene just before the FP takes power, but we will just have to wait and see, and the other scenario is - God's people will be in captivity first before the two witnesses come, just like it was for the Hebrews in the days of Pharaoh when Moses pleaded for him to let them go?
Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 26, 2018 5:15:57 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
How timely. I found this article:
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Post by John on Jan 8, 2019 14:41:30 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know? Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
You know who I would like to ask this question to is the Pastor of the Church of Shiloh. What was your uncle's take on it?
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Post by Sister on Jan 8, 2019 22:46:14 GMT -5
Who is Shiloh? Does anyone know? Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
You know who I would like to ask this question to is the Pastor of the Church of Shiloh. What was your uncle's take on it?
Hi Butero, his take on it was exactly how I mentioned to Abdicate - that Shiloh is not depicted in a good light, for it was the place where God first made his name known to Israel and it was the same place where they committed wickedness. God remembers and refers to Shiloh in a negative light - where God's name was polluted through abominations being done by his people. Today is the same as Shiloh back then, but with many of the Christian churches doing the same thing.
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