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Post by Abdicate on Dec 24, 2018 12:02:43 GMT -5
I saw this snippet many years ago, and I think it underlines the duality of humanity from Adam's encounter with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Truly, I am thrilled they do not understand the word of God lest they hid their information confirming it.
Glory to God!
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Post by Abby-Joy on Dec 24, 2018 15:13:07 GMT -5
Babies have a very keen sense of the spiritual realm as well. Babies in the womb being aborted will flee and fight the abortion instruments.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 24, 2018 17:36:06 GMT -5
The thing these folks are not seeing is , we aint born to hate , or etc BUT We are born with a love of self and what connects to us . and we all know the love of self , IS NOT GOOD . People who are like me , like what me likes . ITS self focus . And its all part of the curse of what happened when adam and eve disobeyed GOD .
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Post by John on Dec 24, 2018 19:04:17 GMT -5
Babies have a very keen sense of the spiritual realm as well. Babies in the womb being aborted will flee and fight the abortion instruments. I know that is true. Have you ever seen the film, "Silent Scream?" It shows an abortion taking place on ultra-sound. It is hard to watch, but it verifies everything you just said. I think it is on YouTube.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Dec 24, 2018 19:38:10 GMT -5
Babies have a very keen sense of the spiritual realm as well. Babies in the womb being aborted will flee and fight the abortion instruments. I know that is true. Have you ever seen the film, "Silent Scream?" It shows an abortion taking place on ultra-sound. It is hard to watch, but it verifies everything you just said. I think it is on YouTube.
I think I've seen some of it. It can be very triggering for women who've been through that. But yes, you're right. So sad for that baby, you know? I know he or she is with our Lord now!!
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Post by Abby-Joy on Dec 24, 2018 19:48:19 GMT -5
Babies have a very keen sense of the spiritual realm as well. Babies in the womb being aborted will flee and fight the abortion instruments. I know that is true. Have you ever seen the film, "Silent Scream?" It shows an abortion taking place on ultra-sound. It is hard to watch, but it verifies everything you just said. I think it is on YouTube.
Some people say that we can't have memories before age 3, because of the way our brains store memories (something to that effect) but that's hogwash! I've always had memories of when I was a baby, age 1, 2, 3 ....
My middle daughter (now age 23) and I had an interesting conversation when she was here a few days ago. She said that she could remember as a baby, me taking her to the church nursery and holding her to where she faced the wall (I would've been sitting on a couch) and she remembers thinking, "oh, now I look at this again..." ... and so she remembered the tapestry on the wall because she saw it for extended periods of time and memorized it!! lol That verifies to me why I always remembered a specific pattern on ....maybe a curtain or something... but the pattern was teapots, cups, saucers, etc... the colors were olive green, orange, and a beige background. (1970's baby, lol)
My memories of one of the houses we lived in when I was age 1 are very detailed and not depicted in photos. When I told my mother what I remembered, she verified it was accurate! I already had some memories of that house that were conscious memories, then some others came back in nightmares when I was 14. All of them were accurate according to my mom. I also remembered my maternal grandmother staying with us and that she took me to pick persimmons from a tree down the road from us... my mom said that was a neighbor's house we would go to, to pick persimmons.
I hope this isn't too far off topic. But it is about babies, at least. lol
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Post by justinadams on Dec 25, 2018 7:25:38 GMT -5
The thing these folks are not seeing is , we aint born to hate , or etc BUT We are born with a love of self and what connects to us . and we all know the love of self , IS NOT GOOD . People who are like me , like what me likes . ITS self focus . And its all part of the curse of what happened when adam and eve disobeyed GOD . We have a built in love of the unassailable. It is often called the Eden Complex. We do know what is right mostly, it is just that it is mostly beyond our grasp. We can recognize it and hope for it and yet it is just out of reach until we meet LOVE face to face. Then it all makes sense. That is why I hate the 'tulip' concepts because it tries to reduce that flicker, that dimly burning wick or bruised reed to absolutely nothing. It is why so many have been taught to hate God. Some of the churches are to be blamed for this false understanding. Everything that God does is LOVE. His creation, though partially ruined during the flood, still proclaims the His Glory. He draws people to Himself continually. It is what it is, and without the Lord, the clanging symbols of intelligentsia sound out their own death knell.
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Post by Abdicate on Dec 25, 2018 10:48:01 GMT -5
That is why I hate the 'tulip' concepts ... What is the "tulip" concept? I don't recall ever hearing about it.
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Post by justinadams on Dec 26, 2018 6:09:01 GMT -5
That is why I hate the 'tulip' concepts ... What is the "tulip" concept? I don't recall ever hearing about it. The so called Calvinist doctrines.. the five points of which nearly all I take exception to for one reason or another. Calvin was NOT a nice person as there are accounts of him imprisoning people and having them put to death as well. There are many accounts that refute most of the Israel hating reformers. Check out the book 'Things you pastor never told you'. Personally I feel the 'reformation' was just a re-write of pagan Rome's dictates.
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Post by John on Dec 26, 2018 8:45:52 GMT -5
What is the "tulip" concept? I don't recall ever hearing about it. The so called Calvinist doctrines.. the five points of which nearly all I take exception to for one reason or another. Calvin was NOT a nice person as there are accounts of him imprisoning people and having them put to death as well. There are many accounts that refute most of the Israel hating reformers. Check out the book 'Things you pastor never told you'. Personally I feel the 'reformation' was just a re-write of pagan Rome's dictates. You make an interesting point in that last sentence. People will pattern after what they know. Most of the church doctrines don't begin with the Bible, but they begin with doctrines already in place. They were all partially influenced by the RCC. After all, before the reformation, that was pretty much all there was. Then you have Luther and others leaving the RCC, and trying to get rid of what they consider bad, while keeping what they thought tp be good. Most churches today are influenced by early protestant leaders. They will come up in a church like the Wesleyan Church, the Lutheran Church or the Primitive Baptist Church and like some things and object to others. This leads to them splitting the church based on their feelings, and taking errors with them and creating new ones. If you want to end this cycle, you need to start fresh with the Bible as your guide and stop looking tp how people in other churches operate. Copying others is a lazy way of doing things.
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Post by John on Dec 26, 2018 9:14:23 GMT -5
While predestination and election are Biblical, Calvinism is a perversion of what the Bible teaches, and OSAS is a perversion whose roots are traced back to Calvinism. OSAS is an example of someone taking what they like from a false doctrine and creating one that is just as bad. In both instances, your actions have no bearing on your eternal destination, which is not true, but it explains how those with these beliefs can do evil things without concern.
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Post by Dezi on Dec 26, 2018 18:31:03 GMT -5
While predestination and election are Biblical, Calvinism is a perversion of what the Bible teaches, and OSAS is a perversion whose roots are traced back to Calvinism. OSAS is an example of someone taking what they like from a false doctrine and creating one that is just as bad. In both instances, your actions have no bearing on your eternal destination, which is not true, but it explains how those with these beliefs can do evil things without concern.
Buter....I am just beginning to try and follow some of these threads... Can you tell me what OSAS is?
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Post by justinadams on Dec 27, 2018 6:03:54 GMT -5
While predestination and election are Biblical, Calvinism is a perversion of what the Bible teaches, and OSAS is a perversion whose roots are traced back to Calvinism. OSAS is an example of someone taking what they like from a false doctrine and creating one that is just as bad. In both instances, your actions have no bearing on your eternal destination, which is not true, but it explains how those with these beliefs can do evil things without concern.
Buter....I am just beginning to try and follow some of these threads... Can you tell me what OSAS is? One Saved Aways Saved. It is man-ology, just like TULIP. Flawed and prone to putting people under the anvil of demonic oppression. Absolutes are God's Territory. We seldom get it right since we are all prone to error. If we had thrown out all the RCC's doctrines and ignored the 'reformation', we would observe the Sabbath, ignore x-mas, despise 'easter bunnies' and hold fast to the Ten Commandments and not let the world dictate our 'seasons'. Season the Lord gave us are NOT winter spring summer and fall, but they are His Holy days. Yeshua showed us the importance of the Law and explained that not one jot or tittle would be done away with. However our freedom in Salvation has caused us to err greatly. The 'ordinances' that were superseded by the Cross were the Judaism's that the apostle fought against and NOT the Law of the Lord. (Pharisaical additions). Since no one seems to study much anymore, ignorance from the pulpit has led many into the ditch of complacency and foolish error. Early Jew haters effectively did away with the Sabbath and many GOOD things. You really have to read history very carefully to see the extent of this. It began in the garden. It is so sad that so many are in denial of this, but it is expected in a world of sin. Even the church 'fathers' had their writings 'edited'. It is VERY hard to find the original un-doctored text.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 8:31:02 GMT -5
With love and respect Justin, I don't agree with what you are saying about the Law.
All the following passages are speaking directly of the ordinances of the Lord in the Law (and there are more):
Exo 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do. Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Lev 18:4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Num 9:12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it. 2Ki 17:34 Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel; 2Ki 17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods. 2Ch 33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses. Neh 10:32 Also we made ordinances for us, to charge ourselves yearly with the third part of a shekel for the service of the house of our God; Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Psa 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants. Isa 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God. Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Those are the ordinances that were nailed to the cross in the body of our Lord. And we all died to the Law, having been crucified with Him.
Are you saying that many of the writings of the new testament were doctored due to antisemitism..?....because they are all very consistent with what they are saying regarding the Law and they all make perfect sense by grace. The reason the old covenant is fading away is only because many new Jewish believers would not be able to understand early on in their walk of faith that they no longer NEED or HAVE to keep the ordinances....faith is something we grow in and whatsoever is not of faith is sin.....most of them would have wanted to continue keeping the feast days etc, because it would have troubled their conscience not to, so to them it would have been sin not to. Jesus did not make a new rule/law saying that Jewish believers were no longer allowed to continue the practices of the Law. And neither are to come under any rule saying that we have to keep them, either. But each one can and should walk according to their own faith and conscience in those particular matters. There are many scriptures that address these things and they are all consistent.
If someone were to say that one word of one or two passages had been mistranslated or added etc, then I would be willing to look at those......but if anyone comes saying that a great deal of the new testament is unreliable, then that would be another matter entirely. Its no coincidence that Paul is coming under increasing attack in recent times, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing new translations that no longer include any of his letters at all. We should not be led by studies and intellect, but by the Holy Spirit.....the devil has been a liar from the beginning and the carnal mind is his realm.
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Post by Dezi on Dec 27, 2018 15:26:57 GMT -5
Buter....I am just beginning to try and follow some of these threads... Can you tell me what OSAS is? One Saved Aways Saved. It is man-ology, just like TULIP. Flawed and prone to putting people under the anvil of demonic oppression. Absolutes are God's Territory. We seldom get it right since we are all prone to error. If we had thrown out all the RCC's doctrines and ignored the 'reformation', we would observe the Sabbath, ignore x-mas, despise 'easter bunnies' and hold fast to the Ten Commandments and not let the world dictate our 'seasons'. Season the Lord gave us are NOT winter spring summer and fall, but they are His Holy days. Yeshua showed us the importance of the Law and explained that not one jot or tittle would be done away with. However our freedom in Salvation has caused us to err greatly. The 'ordinances' that were superseded by the Cross were the Judaism's that the apostle fought against and NOT the Law of the Lord. (Pharisaical additions). Since no one seems to study much anymore, ignorance from the pulpit has led many into the ditch of complacency and foolish error. Early Jew haters effectively did away with the Sabbath and many GOOD things. You really have to read history very carefully to see the extent of this. It began in the garden. It is so sad that so many are in denial of this, but it is expected in a world of sin. Even the church 'fathers' had their writings 'edited'. It is VERY hard to find the original un-doctored text. Thanks for the clarification
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