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Post by Giller on Jan 11, 2019 13:00:48 GMT -5
So now is the "he" in verse 16 the false prophet or the Antichrist?
I know verse 15 is the false prophet, and I know either way, both will want people to receive the mark.
But nevertheless, the false prophet seems that he will have a lot of power.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 11, 2019 13:01:23 GMT -5
Brother, I wasn't addressing the physical mark of the beast.......just talking about overcoming the beast and his mark on a spiritual level.....then the outward physical things won't be a problem for us, because we will have already overcome it. Then we will just continue on being led of the Spirit regardless of any outward circumstances trying to turn us aside......we wont be overcome or turned aside and tempted by whatever outward things are going on. That is the most important way in how we need to prepare, on the spiritual level, each of us in our own individual lives...overcoming the antichrist spirit in our own soul first, whatever angle each one needs to deal with personally through healing, deliverance, repentance etc.....since we are wrestling not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in high places. JESUS is still the way and the truth and the life and we need to not get our eyes off Him onto earthly things. That's right dear sister . No overcomer will take that mark . The KEY is to KNOW , LOVE AND OBEY CHRIST and hate the evil way and learn to do good . IF we aint Christ centered , Then all will take that mark in time . It always starts at the heart . Even sin starts right in that flesh . WE must LEARN JESUS WELL and Follow and OBEY HIM . Why do you think my eyes see clear and I say , TAKE no chip or tattoe . GOD wants no part of that wicked system in us . Sister , did you watch that video I sent . IF not watch it . THE delusion of the all inclusion has taken a strong hold and has two major powers , Rome and Jerusalem . And soon all will be centered IN JERSULEM . You watch that video and you will see in some form of another , this is infected the masses . And how do they also decieve and get the masses ready , UNDER spirituality of a new age form and call it christain . You watch that video and then after taking a good long look Tell me , THESE AINT THE LAST DAYS in fact the last hour is building fast .
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Post by John on Jan 11, 2019 13:06:01 GMT -5
So now is the " he" in verse 16 the false prophet or the Antichrist? I know verse 15 is the false prophet, and I know either way, both will want people to receive the mark. But nevertheless, the false prophet seems that he will have a lot of power. I don't think you can rule out either.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 11, 2019 13:08:52 GMT -5
Rev 13:16-17 (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. People may in some form willfully receive the mark, yet it does say that people will be caused to receive the mark, so their will be some type of prompting. And here is something interesting to think about: Rev 13:15-16 (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: We know that the " he" in verse 15 is referring to the False prophet, but is the " he" in verse 16 also referring to the False prophet or the Antichrist? I believe he causeth them to take the mark in the same way the IRS causeth people to pay taxes. There are consequences for not obeying the law, and if they say you must take the mark or face the prospect of not being able to purchase food, or even faced with being executed, that is causing them to take the mark, but not by holding them down and printing it on their hand or injecting a chip by force. It is by coercion.
And I saw three unclean spirits come out of the mouth of the false prophet , beast , dragon . THESE are SPIRITS sent forth to deceive the kings of the world and the peoples . The beast , even he is the eighth and is of the seven . OH its been around for a long time working in all kingdoms . But in the last hour will be the eight king Be not deceived , for their shall arise many false prophets , many deceivers and even miracles abound . A Heart that is TRUE to GOD would know our physical body IS HIS TEMPLE and they will not want a thing to be put in that temple that ties them into such a wicked system that hates God . So again , let none take that chip or any tech like it in our body . Watch how fast this unity thing just keeps kicking off and watch and behold as the world more and more takes the chip too. And be on guard , for the times will get only far more decepetive , than ever it has been or will be again . We hitting the peak of the end time battle , the peak of deception that will is leading and will lead to total rebellion against GOD , the love of truth , and a great hatred against the true lambs will only increase .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 10:25:35 GMT -5
According to the word of God.....the most important thing to understand is that the mark of the beast will be tied into worshiping his image.
Earlier, folks were discussing and agreeing together that the mark of the beast will make changes in a person's brain and for that reason saying that nobody who takes the mark of the beast will be able to repent. That's a serious thought.....believing that means the faithful church would no longer bother to preach the gospel and evangelize during those days.....and it doesn't agree with where Jesus said the gospel would be preached in all the world in the end.
We all want to be fortune tellers sometimes, that's our flesh.... but there's a reason God condemns fortune telling, because it is self-worship, and we need to reign it in. Reasoning too much with our carnal mind about things easily takes the place of focusing on the word of God and what HE says. I'm not judging anyone, I share the same tendency in my flesh and have done my share, heaven knows...but just that I'm kindly saying we need a little wake-up here to get our minds back above. We need to humbly continue seeking and waiting on the Lord about some of these things. It's those who are led by the SPIRIT who are the sons of God. Whether the mark of the beast is a computer chip or not.......I'm not that worried about the morrow, because whatever it is, I know God will not lead me to take it, and has already prepared the way. So I don't need to spend quite so much time thinking about computer chips, but what I need to do is keep my mind and heart on the Lord. His word says that when we think we know that we do not yet know as we ought. And whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin....it's by FAITH alone that we will not take the mark of the beast. It's by FAITH alone that we are marked with the mark of God.
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Post by John on Jan 12, 2019 10:49:51 GMT -5
According to the word of God.....the most important thing to understand is that the mark of the beast will be tied into worshiping his image. Earlier, folks were discussing and agreeing together that the mark of the beast will make changes in a person's brain and for that reason saying that nobody who takes the mark of the beast will be able to repent. That's a serious thought.....believing that means the faithful church would no longer bother to preach the gospel and evangelize during those days.....and it doesn't agree with where Jesus said the gospel would be preached in all the world in the end. We all want to be fortune tellers sometimes, that's our flesh.... but there's a reason God condemns fortune telling, because it is self-worship, and we need to reign it in. Reasoning too much with our carnal mind about things easily takes the place of focusing on the word of God and what HE says. I'm not judging anyone, I share the same tendency in my flesh and have done my share, heaven knows...but just that I'm kindly saying we need a little wake-up here to get our minds back above. We need to humbly continue seeking and waiting on the Lord about some of these things. It's those who are led by the SPIRIT who are the sons of God. Whether the mark of the beast is a computer chip or not.......I'm not that worried about the morrow, because whatever it is, I know God will not lead me to take it, and has already prepared the way. So I don't need to spend quite so much time thinking about computer chips, but what I need to do is keep my mind and heart on the Lord. His word says that when we think we know that we do not yet know as we ought. And whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin....it's by FAITH alone that we will not take the mark of the beast. It's by FAITH alone that we are marked with the mark of God. We were not all agreeing together that the beast will make changes to a person's brain through a computer chip. I said my opinion is that this is how it will happen, but I never said it was a fact, and everyone wasn't in agreement. Frienduff doesn't think it will be necessary. I do not believe anyone will be able to repent that takes the mark, and there is no scripture that indicates anyone will be saved that takes the mark. It says just the opposite. As a matter of fact, those preaching people will be able to take it and repent later on are adding to what is said in Revelation.
Trying to figure out what the mark is doesn't amount to fortune telling. We are looking at what scripture says in light of what is happening in the world. To me, and many others, a computer chip makes the most sense. Some type of barcode is also possible, but we do know that the mark will be in the right hand or forehead. Nobody is guessing about that.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 12, 2019 10:58:20 GMT -5
I do agree with Watchful that we shouldn’t spend an inordinate amount of energy on things beyond our knowledge and control. We need to stay alert, but I don’t think Jesus intended for the antichrist to live rent free in our head.
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Post by Giller on Jan 12, 2019 11:29:53 GMT -5
Rev 13:4 (4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
The first thing that is mentioned, is the worship of Satan and the beast.
It seems for some there will be some type of attraction to the beast which some will say: "who is able to make war with the beast?".
Rev 13:8 (8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
And it mentions all upon the earth, that do not have their names written in the book of life shall worship the beast, but of course not they who have their names written in the book of life, and not they who shall be saved during the tribulation time which other scriptures show this.
Rev 13:12-15 (12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, (14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
So it first mentions worship towards the beast, and making an image towards the beast.
So it shows some kind of allegiance through worship, the worship of Satan and the beast.
Then it mentions this:
Rev 13:16-17 (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The mark of the beast is the mark of the beast, the image of the beast is the image of the beast, and the worship of the beast, is the worship of the beast.
But it seems that a pledge of allegiance through worship is first called for, then making an image, then the receiving the mark.
I truly do believe that the micro chip implant does have something to do with the mark of the beast, which can be used for buying and selling.
It may be that the software that is in these chips are not up to par to when the Antichrist will fully implement his system, but someone mentioned to me that say someone has a chip implant, it may be possible that they can remotely program in the full software in, when it is in full effect.
But whatever the case, people should not receive an implant now, and there does seem to be a pattern, which is an allegiance towards the beast and Satan, through worship, having an image made, and the receiving the mark of the beast.
Rev 14:9-10 (9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
It mentions a few things here, which is the worship of the beast and his image, and receiving the mark of the beast.
And I think we do good to warn people now about these implants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 12:36:25 GMT -5
I do agree with Watchful that we shouldn’t spend an inordinate amount of energy on things beyond our knowledge and control. We need to stay alert, but I don’t think Jesus intended for the antichrist to live rent free in our head. Amen...good way to put it sister, lol. It's a matter of focus.....keeping our minds above, and in the Lord above is our safety, rather than trusting in what we think we know. There's an irony too that might be hard to understand, but just that if antichrist continually gets jackhammered into our carnal minds by someone then we have received his mark in our flesh already. Each one needs space to hear from the Lord for themselves, and be led by Him, by His SPIRIT. I just wanted to remind us on these things, that we would keep our eyes on the Lord, abiding in Him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5
According to the word of God.....the most important thing to understand is that the mark of the beast will be tied into worshiping his image. Earlier, folks were discussing and agreeing together that the mark of the beast will make changes in a person's brain and for that reason saying that nobody who takes the mark of the beast will be able to repent. That's a serious thought.....believing that means the faithful church would no longer bother to preach the gospel and evangelize during those days.....and it doesn't agree with where Jesus said the gospel would be preached in all the world in the end. We all want to be fortune tellers sometimes, that's our flesh.... but there's a reason God condemns fortune telling, because it is self-worship, and we need to reign it in. Reasoning too much with our carnal mind about things easily takes the place of focusing on the word of God and what HE says. I'm not judging anyone, I share the same tendency in my flesh and have done my share, heaven knows...but just that I'm kindly saying we need a little wake-up here to get our minds back above. We need to humbly continue seeking and waiting on the Lord about some of these things. It's those who are led by the SPIRIT who are the sons of God. Whether the mark of the beast is a computer chip or not.......I'm not that worried about the morrow, because whatever it is, I know God will not lead me to take it, and has already prepared the way. So I don't need to spend quite so much time thinking about computer chips, but what I need to do is keep my mind and heart on the Lord. His word says that when we think we know that we do not yet know as we ought. And whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin....it's by FAITH alone that we will not take the mark of the beast. It's by FAITH alone that we are marked with the mark of God. We were not all agreeing together that the beast will make changes to a person's brain through a computer chip. I said my opinion is that this is how it will happen, but I never said it was a fact, and everyone wasn't in agreement. Frienduff doesn't think it will be necessary. I do not believe anyone will be able to repent that takes the mark, and there is no scripture that indicates anyone will be saved that takes the mark. It says just the opposite. As a matter of fact, those preaching people will be able to take it and repent later on are adding to what is said in Revelation.
Trying to figure out what the mark is doesn't amount to fortune telling. We are looking at what scripture says in light of what is happening in the world. To me, and many others, a computer chip makes the most sense. Some type of barcode is also possible, but we do know that the mark will be in the right hand or forehead. Nobody is guessing about that.
I wasn't intending to point anybody out in a personal way, brother......just that the way the conversation about the mark of the beast has been going generally, is starting to veer off into the flesh, from what I can see. Just throwing up a yellow flag, some reminders. Point being that we need to hear what the SPIRIT is saying, at all times regarding anything. Keeping our eyes on Him, our minds and hearts on Him, being led by Him....keeping our ears to His doorpost and not shutting out the possibility that there is still more that we need to understand.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jan 12, 2019 13:23:08 GMT -5
Something to realize is that mind control happens even without technology....oh my goodness yes it does, often. Some are more prone to being the controlled and others the controllers. If you've ever had your brain freeze and unable to think freely during conversation with someone else it's very possibly due to mind control...it's an evil spirit, a form of witchcraft when the person is exerting their will upon you trying to force a point of view on you. I grew up under this form of mind control, and the Lord has been slowly teaching me and helping me to get free. I have actually by grace felt/seen it like a snake coiling around and inside my head and squeezing...prevents your mind from working. It's abusive. You get drawn in slowly and with kindness at first to disarm you, and then they slowly lower the boom and tighten the noose trying to force their will and essentially brainwashing (controlling) your thinking....happens all the time in churches from the pulpits. They can even be speaking truth but don't allow any room for the other person to freely receive or reject according to their own free will, nor any room/space/time for the Holy Spirit to work. It's actually a form of taking the place of God in your life. They don't need microchips to make this happen...it's spiritual warfare we are up against first and foremost. The spiritual level is the level above all where we need to overcome the beast and his mark....it's in the book of Revelation as something we need to OVERCOME. Of course. It's called conditioning... brainwashing.... and even more formally it is called social engineering and has been going on for a very long time. Look into Tavistock Institute (for those who want to know). These are the same group of people who are behind the formal (more severe) type of mind control such as MK Ultra.
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Post by John on Jan 12, 2019 13:31:20 GMT -5
We were not all agreeing together that the beast will make changes to a person's brain through a computer chip. I said my opinion is that this is how it will happen, but I never said it was a fact, and everyone wasn't in agreement. Frienduff doesn't think it will be necessary. I do not believe anyone will be able to repent that takes the mark, and there is no scripture that indicates anyone will be saved that takes the mark. It says just the opposite. As a matter of fact, those preaching people will be able to take it and repent later on are adding to what is said in Revelation.
Trying to figure out what the mark is doesn't amount to fortune telling. We are looking at what scripture says in light of what is happening in the world. To me, and many others, a computer chip makes the most sense. Some type of barcode is also possible, but we do know that the mark will be in the right hand or forehead. Nobody is guessing about that.
I wasn't intending to point anybody out in a personal way, brother......just that the way the conversation about the mark of the beast has been going generally, is starting to veer off into the flesh, from what I can see. Just throwing up a yellow flag, some reminders. Point being that we need to hear what the SPIRIT is saying, at all times regarding anything. Keeping our eyes on Him, our minds and hearts on Him, being led by Him....keeping our ears to His doorpost and not shutting out the possibility that there is still more that we need to understand. Let's just look at what the Bible says about the mark of the beast. Unless you have it in your right hand or forehead, you won't be able to buy or sell. Anything that matches that description needs to be avoided. We also know that Leviticus says not to print marks on our body, so we know tattoos are wrong, even if they are not the mark of the beast. If we say no to tattoos and a system where you pay for things through something in your right hand or forehead, you should be safe.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 12, 2019 14:18:41 GMT -5
What troubles me is the number of Christians who read the Bible through the lens of the world, not read the world through the lens of the Bible. They are addicted to news headlines, political punditry, conspiracy theories, and the latest example of Hollywood depravity, all of which they use as their little bag of tea leaves to try to figure out Bible prophecy. This is absolutely the number one cause of so many embarrassing Armaggedon predictions.
Please understand I’m not accusing anyone here. I’m just saying I get where watchful is coming from.
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Post by Abby-Joy on Jan 12, 2019 14:37:51 GMT -5
I'm not condemning anyone ... I'm just saying there are things to be aware of... and those things should not be ignored or discounted. It all fits in with the Bible. If we left out the Bible, that's where we get off balance and end up with skewed understanding.
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Post by PG4Him on Jan 12, 2019 14:41:59 GMT -5
It’s a matter of the heart, in the end. As long as we focus on pleasing on Jesus, He will lead us to things we need to know about. No one should be ignorant.
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