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Post by John on May 29, 2019 18:52:08 GMT -5
Did you know that the Apostle Paul preached against sin. You could even call him a "things" preacher, which we are told by the modern church is a bad thing to be. Things preachers are called legalists and negative, and it is said that such preaching only turns people away. They say we need to focus on the positive only, but Paul was very bold. He actually lists sinful behavior that will keep anyone from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven. What are these sins? Well, they are not all inclusive, as he says there are others in addition to these, but they are examples. Let's look at them together.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
There is nothing in either passage that indicates that Paul is speaking to non-Christians or non-Christians only. These warnings are to everyone that reads them. Do we believe the Apostle Paul is telling us the truth or do we believe he is lying to us?
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Post by joseph on May 30, 2019 14:25:58 GMT -5
p.s. remember that false teachers/ pastors/ priests often claim today (and in the past) protection based on this also. The false teachers claim that those who accuse or expose them are rejecting God or God's Authority. The deception is insidious and very widespread. ===================================================================================================== The TRUTH, As written, anyone who rejects the messengers of Yahuweh (including the Apostles and the Prophets), has also already rejected Yahushua (Jesus) and the Father. This never changed nor changes. Luke 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you ... biblehub.com/luke/10-16.htm“The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, ... He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; ... NET Bible "The one who listens to you listens to me, and the one who rejects ... Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. Luke 10:16 Commentaries · Luke 10:17 · Luke 10:15
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Post by John on May 30, 2019 14:33:53 GMT -5
p.s. remember that false teachers/ pastors/ priests often claim today (and in the past) protection based on this also. The false teachers claim that those who accuse or expose them are rejecting God or God's Authority. The deception is insidious and very widespread. ===================================================================================================== The TRUTH, As written, anyone who rejects the messengers of Yahuweh (including the Apostles and the Prophets), has also already rejected Yahushua (Jesus) and the Father. This never changed nor changes. Luke 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you ... biblehub.com/luke/10-16.htm“The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, ... He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; ... NET Bible "The one who listens to you listens to me, and the one who rejects ... Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself. Luke 10:16 Commentaries · Luke 10:17 · Luke 10:15 Yes. If we reject those God sends, we are rejecting God.
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Post by Cletus on May 30, 2019 18:43:40 GMT -5
well it is so very absolutely true it does turn people away. that is what happens when people love their sin more and are offended in Jesus. what is that to me... as for me and my House we will serve The LORD.
am i supposed to feel sorry for them? it does make me sad, and i do pray for them but they made their choice, they chose their path.
and even more... this IS a time of separation. goats and sheep. I have done got to the point if someone dont have ears, if the wont hear and i am telling them i am not bothering with them no more. there are some I have gone round and round with, and what has it got me? strife and heart ache, i have been accused falsely, and received railing accusations by "christians" and the world. (aint nobody got no time for that!) there are other fish in the sea... they say.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 4, 2019 16:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by Cletus on Jun 5, 2019 14:53:08 GMT -5
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. (not as in Daniel)Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (faith plus nothing my big toe)Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (this too is a reward/recompense for our works verse 12)Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. (is this a so may it be or so be it so it is?)
I am starting to think we are wasting our time with the heretics. having ears they hear not. verse 11^^^
I am seeing God drawing those already in the church closer, and i see a new generation of babes in Christ beginning to see, and grow, and walk in Truth. even in Spirit and Truth. God is calling.
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Post by John on Jun 6, 2019 5:36:13 GMT -5
I think you are right Cletus. We have been at a fork in the road, but the time to make the decision to go to the right or the left is running out or has run out. Being lukewarm is no longer an option. A decision has to be made to follow the Lord with your whole heart or go further and further away from him. There will be no turning back for those who choose the wrong way because the delusion will be too strong. The two paths are moving further and further away from each other.
There were some that I originally held out some hope for, but they wound up doubling down in their error. They are now more stubborn against the truth than ever before. At the same time, there were some on the fence that seem to be choosing the right path that leads to life, but as the scripture says, there is a place where those who are unjust will be unjust still and those who are righteous will be righteous still. Indecision is not an option.
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Post by Cletus on Jun 6, 2019 8:52:43 GMT -5
I have decided to follow Jesus I have decided to follow Jesus I have decided to follow Jesus No turning back, no turning back Though none go with me I still will follow Though none go with me I still will follow Though none go with me I still will follow No turning back, no turning back
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Do Not Grow Weary Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
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Post by joseph on Jun 18, 2019 13:19:15 GMT -5
Right judgment is a necessary factor in an assembly of Ekklesia. Without judgment there is impurity, defilement, sin, and error.
How many times in the Epistles is judgment in the Ekklesia commanded, or mentioned ?
Or how many times is demonic activity mentioned, in the midst of the Ekklesia ?
For instance, one of the best remembered: "There are (already, first century) MANY anti-christs among us (in our midst) " ...
Assemblies of Ekklesia exercising properly Yahuweh's judgment (for order, for purity, for cleansing, for discipline, for chastisement, for edification, for growth)
includes testing everything to refrain from wrangling over words, to avoid discussing myths and fairy-tales, to set people free from deception and prevent /avoid further deception....
includes not permitting ongoing sin, sin without repentance, in the assembly, by anyone who calls themselves a follower of Jesus .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 18, 2019 15:20:51 GMT -5
I think you are right Cletus. We have been at a fork in the road, but the time to make the decision to go to the right or the left is running out or has run out. Being lukewarm is no longer an option. A decision has to be made to follow the Lord with your whole heart or go further and further away from him. There will be no turning back for those who choose the wrong way because the delusion will be too strong. The two paths are moving further and further away from each other.
There were some that I originally held out some hope for, but they wound up doubling down in their error. They are now more stubborn against the truth than ever before. At the same time, there were some on the fence that seem to be choosing the right path that leads to life, but as the scripture says, there is a place where those who are unjust will be unjust still and those who are righteous will be righteous still. Indecision is not an option.
Reread what butero has wrote . This is spot on right . The side under the delusion will wax only far worse , the side under the lamb will be hated only more and more . The side under the delusion will come full force against the lambs to try and eradicate them off the earth . The pc and religions have met in ALL INCLUSVIE and now they will increase into only more and more deception . Till the dark king and kings come and then shall the world wage war against the saints . THE WORLD is being groomed and prepared for the day of armegeddon when it as one comes against CHRIST and the lambs . YES the final hour is building now .
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Post by 777 on Jun 19, 2019 14:42:53 GMT -5
I think you are right Cletus. We have been at a fork in the road, but the time to make the decision to go to the right or the left is running out or has run out. Being lukewarm is no longer an option. A decision has to be made to follow the Lord with your whole heart or go further and further away from him. There will be no turning back for those who choose the wrong way because the delusion will be too strong. The two paths are moving further and further away from each other.
There were some that I originally held out some hope for, but they wound up doubling down in their error. They are now more stubborn against the truth than ever before. At the same time, there were some on the fence that seem to be choosing the right path that leads to life, but as the scripture says, there is a place where those who are unjust will be unjust still and those who are righteous will be righteous still. Indecision is not an option.
I feel the same way. The time for being half in the world and half serving God is over. As Joshua said, we need to choose this day who we will serve.
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Post by John on Jun 20, 2019 18:52:26 GMT -5
Jesus mentioned that people could discern the signs of the weather, but not the signs of the times. You have to be blind not to recognize that we are right on the verge of the tribulation period. We need to get our houses in order.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 20, 2019 22:50:56 GMT -5
You right butero . You are right . And now a word from paul from long , long ago . I am EXCEEDING JOYFUL in ALL our TRIBULATIONS . NO fear of man , no fear of loss , Just rejoice in the LORD no matter what comes against us . FOR IMMANUEL. GOD IS WITH US . OH to the LORD be all glory and to the LORD be all praise .
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Post by joseph on Jul 8, 2019 12:57:20 GMT -5
You right butero . You are right . And now a word from paul from long , long ago . I am EXCEEDING JOYFUL in ALL our TRIBULATIONS . NO fear of man , no fear of loss , Just rejoice in the LORD no matter what comes against us . FOR IMMANUEL. GOD IS WITH US . OH to the LORD be all glory and to the LORD be all praise . The Word of God is True, and Abides Forever. Not taken back and forth by the winds , emotions or feelings, but strong in truth, resting in Joy with no fear of man , rejoicing no matter what comes against us .... But in the carnal, in the flesh, that UNwcf is run by , and the 'popular' poster/members there, they eschew the truth, they reject God's Way, in order to "feel good", even when they are clearly wrong. They can't stand the painful chastening of God, the discipline/ scouring/scourging the Father does for His children ---- it is those who are not His children who are without scourging, without discipline, living in error daily, continually.....
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Post by joseph on Jul 8, 2019 12:59:41 GMT -5
I think you are right Cletus. We have been at a fork in the road, but the time to make the decision to go to the right or the left is running out or has run out. Being lukewarm is no longer an option. A decision has to be made to follow the Lord with your whole heart or go further and further away from him. There will be no turning back for those who choose the wrong way because the delusion will be too strong. The two paths are moving further and further away from each other.
There were some that I originally held out some hope for, but they wound up doubling down in their error. They are now more stubborn against the truth than ever before. At the same time, there were some on the fence that seem to be choosing the right path that leads to life, but as the scripture says, there is a place where those who are unjust will be unjust still and those who are righteous will be righteous still. Indecision is not an option.
I feel the same way. The time for being half in the world and half serving God is over. As Joshua said, we need to choose this day who we will serve. Yes, it is time for judgment , and judgment begins in the house of God. Among Ekklesia, daily. No more letting the sinful continue without warning in the assembly.
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