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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Dec 12, 2019 5:16:42 GMT -5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
John 12:24-26
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:23:01 GMT -5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
John 12:24-26 Amen! Let the Lord break open and crack the hard shell of "self", so that what is inside....Christ in us the hope of glory....may shoot forth. Just wondering what it means exactly, to fall into the ground....is it something to do with our hiddenness in Christ when we die to ourself? This might help us also with understanding where the earth opened her mouth and swallowed the flood that came after the woman. I've long wondered what that meant. His sheer mercy, for one thing, to those who are IN Him and dying to ourselves.
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Post by Jesus Christ teachings on Dec 20, 2019 7:08:08 GMT -5
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:37-39
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Post by John on Jan 1, 2020 14:54:36 GMT -5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
John 12:24-26 Amen! Let the Lord break open and crack the hard shell of "self", so that what is inside....Christ in us the hope of glory....may shoot forth. Just wondering what it means exactly, to fall into the ground....is it something to do with our hiddenness in Christ when we die to ourself? This might help us also with understanding where the earth opened her mouth and swallowed the flood that came after the woman. I've long wondered what that meant. His sheer mercy, for one thing, to those who are IN Him and dying to ourselves. I don't know if there is any hidden significance to his saying it fell into the ground. When a person dies, they are buried in the ground waiting to be resurrected to eternal life, if they are saved of course.
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Post by John on Jan 1, 2020 14:57:54 GMT -5
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:37-39
Jesus must come first or we have set up idols in our heart.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:22:59 GMT -5
Amen! Let the Lord break open and crack the hard shell of "self", so that what is inside....Christ in us the hope of glory....may shoot forth. Just wondering what it means exactly, to fall into the ground....is it something to do with our hiddenness in Christ when we die to ourself? This might help us also with understanding where the earth opened her mouth and swallowed the flood that came after the woman. I've long wondered what that meant. His sheer mercy, for one thing, to those who are IN Him and dying to ourselves. I don't know if there is any hidden significance to his saying it fell into the ground. When a person dies, they are buried in the ground waiting to be resurrected to eternal life, if they are saved of course.
It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children. Hard to explain, but the earth, the ground, is our cross....which is the narrow way.....it is our secret place of safety whereby we are kept safe from deceptions/delusions....where our life is buried in the ground just as the body of Jesus was laid in the ground when He died on the cross. The river that came after the woman in the wilderness is deception/delusion and error...but she is dying to herself in the wilderness, buried in the ground as it were, carrying her cross in obedience to the Lord.........and so THAT is what swallows up the river of delusion that comes to try and sweep her away from the truth.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2020 13:19:08 GMT -5
I don't know if there is any hidden significance to his saying it fell into the ground. When a person dies, they are buried in the ground waiting to be resurrected to eternal life, if they are saved of course.
It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children. Hard to explain, but the earth, the ground, is our cross....which is the narrow way.....it is our secret place of safety whereby we are kept safe from deceptions/delusions....where our life is buried in the ground just as the body of Jesus was laid in the ground when He died on the cross. The river that came after the woman in the wilderness is deception/delusion and error...but she is dying to herself in the wilderness, buried in the ground as it were, carrying her cross in obedience to the Lord.........and so THAT is what swallows up the river of delusion that comes to try and sweep her away from the truth. I appreciate your insight into this.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2020 13:47:34 GMT -5
I don't know if there is any hidden significance to his saying it fell into the ground. When a person dies, they are buried in the ground waiting to be resurrected to eternal life, if they are saved of course.
It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children. Hard to explain, but the earth, the ground, is our cross....which is the narrow way.....it is our secret place of safety whereby we are kept safe from deceptions/delusions....where our life is buried in the ground just as the body of Jesus was laid in the ground when He died on the cross. The river that came after the woman in the wilderness is deception/delusion and error...but she is dying to herself in the wilderness, buried in the ground as it were, carrying her cross in obedience to the Lord.........and so THAT is what swallows up the river of delusion that comes to try and sweep her away from the truth. Watchful, I am not 100 percent certain if I agree with everything you said, because I haven't had time to fully process it, but I will look into it further. There is one thing I want to suggest, not because I am offended. I just want you to understand how little things you say sometimes offend others, and because of those things, people automatically become defensive and don't consider what you are saying. That is a shame, because as I said in my other response to you, you are showing that you can be insightful.
Starting out by telling someone, "It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children," can come across as insulting. The other person is the "wise and learned," while you are the little child. On the surface, who doesn't want to be seen as wise and learned? That is a good thing, but on the other hand, that person is said to be carnal, while you are spiritual. Again, I am not offended, and I am ignoring all of this because I am a seeker of spiritual truth, and try to be fair in how I evaluate things. Just consider how you say things, because it would be a shame if you say something that has great spiritual value, but people do not receive it because they are offended.
Anyway, I like the way you do not just look at things on the surface. If you can continue to do that, and not let your personal feelings and biases get in the way, you can be a real blessing to the church.
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Post by Giller on Jan 4, 2020 15:01:33 GMT -5
Forsake all for Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 15:11:52 GMT -5
It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children. Hard to explain, but the earth, the ground, is our cross....which is the narrow way.....it is our secret place of safety whereby we are kept safe from deceptions/delusions....where our life is buried in the ground just as the body of Jesus was laid in the ground when He died on the cross. The river that came after the woman in the wilderness is deception/delusion and error...but she is dying to herself in the wilderness, buried in the ground as it were, carrying her cross in obedience to the Lord.........and so THAT is what swallows up the river of delusion that comes to try and sweep her away from the truth. Watchful, I am not 100 percent certain if I agree with everything you said, because I haven't had time to fully process it, but I will look into it further. There is one thing I want to suggest, not because I am offended. I just want you to understand how little things you say sometimes offend others, and because of those things, people automatically become defensive and don't consider what you are saying. That is a shame, because as I said in my other response to you, you are showing that you can be insightful.
Starting out by telling someone, "It's only hidden in the sense that all parables have truth that is hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to little children," can come across as insulting. The other person is the "wise and learned," while you are the little child. On the surface, who doesn't want to be seen as wise and learned? That is a good thing, but on the other hand, that person is said to be carnal, while you are spiritual. Again, I am not offended, and I am ignoring all of this because I am a seeker of spiritual truth, and try to be fair in how I evaluate things. Just consider how you say things, because it would be a shame if you say something that has great spiritual value, but people do not receive it because they are offended.
Anyway, I like the way you do not just look at things on the surface. If you can continue to do that, and not let your personal feelings and biases get in the way, you can be a real blessing to the church.
You're getting this backwards. Sometimes when people talk about hidden knowledge they are thinking that you are in error for not taking the bible literally and that you are touting yourself as someone special having special hidden knowledge (aka error) that others don't have.....I didn't know how you meant it, so all I was doing was pointing out just in case that parables contain knowledge that is hidden, so it's entirely biblical....and that understanding is attainable and opened to those who are the opposite of special.....in other words, it's for every child of God. And as well, I believe everyone has their portion from the Lord, so there is no such thing as anyone who is special as far as I'm concerned, least of all myself. Upside down from how you are taking this, and I meant no insult. And you're implying that I have a habit of offending people.....brother I am only trying to contend for the truth as far as it has been imparted to me, just like I do on any forum. Maybe you are taking me wrong because I don't belong here as a church member and don't take the time to be social....you might be finding my posts a bit impersonal compared to others. Writing is difficult and time consuming for me, as is sorting through what others write, and I'm getting older, so I only drop in now and again and do my best to share as I can. And well....the truth does often offend and provoke, it just does, that is sometimes just the nature of the truth doing it's job. I certainly don't think we should go out of our way to be offensive, of course not, but at the same time having no salt at all would be a cause for concern.
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Post by John on Jan 4, 2020 17:36:36 GMT -5
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up Watchful. Anyway, I did find your comments interesting, and I appreciate your insight.
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Post by Giller on Jan 4, 2020 22:44:34 GMT -5
Luk 14:25-35 (25) And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, (26) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (27) And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. (28) For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? (29) Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, (30) Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. (31) Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? (32) Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. (33) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. (34) Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? (35) It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
There are very serious warnings here, and a disciple is a follower of Christ, and it mentions how that if you show more favor (love them more than Christ (Matthew 10:37)) towards your father, mother, sister, brother and one's own life, than you cannot be a follower of Christ.
And the word hateth here, does not mean that you have no love towards your father, mother and so forth, but rather it is a type of disfavor towards them, in regards to were you should favor them in a lesser manner than the favor you would show towards God.
For God's ways are more favorable than man's way, and we should love him more than we love others, in fact God's ways are perfect.
And the phrase "you cannot be my disciple, shows up 3 times here.
And now here is a comment in regards to the part that mentions losing one's savour.
(Albert Barnes)
(Luke 14:34-35 See the Mat_5:13 note; Mar_9:49-50 notes. Salt is good - It is useful. It is good to preserve life and health, and to keep from putrefaction. His savour - Its saltness. It becomes tasteless or insipid....)
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Post by Giller on Jan 5, 2020 0:47:56 GMT -5
It makes me wonder sometimes about how much are we truly willing to lay it out on the line!!!
And how much do we actually fight against God so we can defend or have our own way??
We really need to let God sanctify us, and the more we do, the less we will be fighting against God and his ways.
We can either make it easier on ourselves, or do things the hard way, yet there are clear warnings about if we do not lay down our lives (whole lives) for him, we cannot be his disciples.
Very serious stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 7:30:47 GMT -5
We are not our own, we were bought with a price....so we are to follow and obey Jesus, submitting our lives to Him and working out our salvation in the fear of the Lord, and in sincerity. He leads us through many testings and trials to help us in the process of being sanctified....we are to follow and obey Him to the death of our 'old man', and who falls on the Rock will be broken. And I believe this refers to the husk of our 'old man', the fallen flesh nature...it gets broken open so that the new life of Christ within us can shoot forth from the seed of our life. This is a process and a pilgrimage.
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Post by John on Jan 5, 2020 19:22:55 GMT -5
It makes me wonder sometimes about how much are we truly willing to lay it out on the line!!! And how much do we actually fight against God so we can defend or have our own way?? We really need to let God sanctify us, and the more we do, the less we will be fighting against God and his ways. We can either make it easier on ourselves, or do things the hard way, yet there are clear warnings about if we do not lay down our lives (whole lives) for him, we cannot be his disciples. Very serious stuff. We probably do it more than we realize, kicking against the pricks.
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