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Post by bethany on Sept 5, 2020 13:14:28 GMT -5
Can i ask for help with this bible passage please?
God instituted marriage as honourable, and created woman to be a companion to man. Paul appears to relegate marriage to simply be there for the sake of fulfilling lustful desires, and ignores the other attributes men and women bring to each other in marriage.
This passage is really bothering me, I know its my understanding, as all scripture is pure and good.
There is more to the desire for marriage than the fulfillment of lust, for men and women. Why is Paul so dismissive of marriage as only for those too weak to control sexual desire?
Thank you.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Sept 5, 2020 13:35:20 GMT -5
Hi Bethany,
To be fair, that is not the only passage Paul writes on the topic of marriage.
Check out Ephesians 5:22-33 where he charges husband's to love their wives as "their own bodies."
But going back to 1st Corinthians 7, I don't think Paul was wrong to speak practically about marriage addressing people's physical needs.
Yes marriage is about companionship, but I don't think Paul was saying it's not. A big part of the blessing of marriage is by the couple having sex with one another they give each other a legitimate place for their desires that is perfectly fine in the eyes of God.
Should you marry just to avoid temptation? We balk at that but let's be honest, in American society, we've made it harder for people to remain celibate in marriage by putting pressure on them to put off marriage until later for various ungodly reasons.
If two people burn with lust for one another, marriage is not a bad solution. It covers them in the eyes of God.
Also, sex is a need for men. A lot of marriages fail because the couple stopped having sex. Sure you want your partner to remain faithful even if you forgo sex, but that is not love. That is not covering each other.
Sex belongs in marriage, so if you burn, take a spouse. It's our society that is backwards in that regard. We over complicate things, and then we wonder why people fornicate or have sex outside of marriage.
We tell young people to finish college, already have a career...but then you have to wait your most intensely lustful years to have sex while temptation is everywhere.
Paul is saying, don't overthink this. If you burn with lust, marry. In marriage, cover each other by not denying each other sexual fulfillment.
I think our society has made things over complicated. I believe if people want to get married at a younger age like 17, I would not necessarily stop them. I would encourage them to plan for financial hardship and go get pre marital counseling.
But if you say to a young couple, hey you burning with lust? Well too bad, you're not career established or educated enough to get married...
They will just fornicate. That's just kind of how it goes.
It doesn't have to be that complicated. Soul mates do not exist. Do you have passion for this person? Yes? Are they in the Lord? Yes? Marry them.
I think that's a good thing. Growing up doesn't have to take forever. It's only our society that slows that process down.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 14:34:10 GMT -5
Can i ask for help with this bible passage please? God instituted marriage as honourable, and created woman to be a companion to man. Paul appears to relegate marriage to simply be there for the sake of fulfilling lustful desires, and ignores the other attributes men and women bring to each other in marriage. This passage is really bothering me, I know its my understanding, as all scripture is pure and good. There is more to the desire for marriage than the fulfillment of lust, for men and women. Why is Paul so dismissive of marriage as only for those too weak to control sexual desire? Thank you. Well sister . you for sure are seeing this wrong . Paul didnt mean that . he only meant if you cannot contain yourself then it is better to marry your virgin. But the truth is , IT is better if one is NOT married , to remain single . However if one does marry , LAWFULLY ACCORDING TO JESUS , they have not sinned either . Oh i better explain what i mean by lawfully according to JESUS . Remarriage is not allowable peroid . UNLESS the spouse dies , or actual fornicatoin was involved . That is it . can folks seperate , yes , but not remarry . UNLESS the spouse dies or fornicatoin was involved . |
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 14:39:04 GMT -5
Hi Bethany, To be fair, that is not the only passage Paul writes on the topic of marriage. Check out Ephesians 5:22-33 where he charges husband's to love their wives as "their own bodies." But going back to 1st Corinthians 7, I don't think Paul was wrong to speak practically about marriage addressing people's physical needs. Yes marriage is about companionship, but I don't think Paul was saying it's not. A big part of the blessing of marriage is by the couple having sex with one another they give each other a legitimate place for their desires that is perfectly fine in the eyes of God. Should you marry just to avoid temptation? We balk at that but let's be honest, in American society, we've made it harder for people to remain celibate in marriage by putting pressure on them to put off marriage until later for various ungodly reasons. If two people burn with lust for one another, marriage is not a bad solution. It covers them in the eyes of God. Also, sex is a need for men. A lot of marriages fail because the couple stopped having sex. Sure you want your partner to remain faithful even if you forgo sex, but that is not love. That is not covering each other. Sex belongs in marriage, so if you burn, take a spouse. It's our society that is backwards in that regard. We over complicate things, and then we wonder why people fornicate or have sex outside of marriage. We tell young people to finish college, already have a career...but then you have to wait your most intensely lustful years to have sex while temptation is everywhere. Paul is saying, don't overthink this. If you burn with lust, marry. In marriage, cover each other by not denying each other sexual fulfillment. I think our society has made things over complicated. I believe if people want to get married at a younger age like 17, I would not necessarily stop them. I would encourage them to plan for financial hardship and go get pre marital counseling. But if you say to a young couple, hey you burning with lust? Well too bad, you're not career established or educated enough to get married... They will just fornicate. That's just kind of how it goes. It doesn't have to be that complicated. Soul mates do not exist. Do you have passion for this person? Yes? Are they in the Lord? Yes? Marry them. I think that's a good thing. Growing up doesn't have to take forever. It's only our society that slows that process down. You giving some good advice . ONLY lets remind her of something . NO marriage will be honored in the eyes of all mighty GOD , if the other was married previously . PEROID . UNLESS the spouse died or fornicatoin was involved . OH yes dear sister , by grace i read my bible . |
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 14:42:35 GMT -5
ITS JESUS FOR ME . that means HIS EVERY WORD . now be encouraged my friends .
I know . i do know . folks will say , but how on earth is it possible to remain single . YOU LOOKING at a man who has now been single for many , many years .
DO I SEEM depressed tabbitha . do i seem down trodden and just down in the dumps all the time . HECK NO . JESUS IS MY ALL IN ALL . I GOT MY HOPE , I GOT MY JOY .
HAPPY IS the one who KEEPS HIS SAYINGS .
YOU REMEMBER that SISTER . cause most folks think i am a hater , a judger , one who condmens . YET I GOT ALL JOY . ALL I do is point to JESUS , and that means HIS SAYINGS . YOU REMEMBER this sister tabitha .
YOUR FAITH WILL SOON be tested and men will LIE TO YOU SISTER . but i pray your faith fails not . MEN are gonna lie to you sister . be on guard .
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Post by John on Sept 5, 2020 16:16:15 GMT -5
This is only one thing the Bible says about marriage. It is an important teaching, and I think Tabitha3319 is right in what she said. This is about remaining free from sin. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about marriage, and we need to look at all of the scriptures on this topic, and follow them. Almost nothing the Bible teaches about marriage is being followed by this sinful generation.
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Post by bethany on Sept 5, 2020 17:58:57 GMT -5
This is only one thing the Bible says about marriage. It is an important teaching, and I think Tabitha3319 is right in what she said. This is about remaining free from sin. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about marriage, and we need to look at all of the scriptures on this topic, and follow them. Almost nothing the Bible teaches about marriage is being followed by this sinful generation. Well, I am in the Uk, and couple living together are allowed to be in ministry as youth leaders and the like. Even mainstream churches dont teach about fornication. Thank God for house churches and small independent churches here. |
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Post by John on Sept 5, 2020 18:01:42 GMT -5
This is only one thing the Bible says about marriage. It is an important teaching, and I think Tabitha3319 is right in what she said. This is about remaining free from sin. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about marriage, and we need to look at all of the scriptures on this topic, and follow them. Almost nothing the Bible teaches about marriage is being followed by this sinful generation. Well, I am in the Uk, and couple living together are allowed to be in ministry as youth leaders and the like. Even mainstream churches dont teach about fornication. Thank God for house churches and small independent churches here.
That is sad, because the Bible states that fornication is a sin that will keep us from having any inheritance in the Kingdom of God. It is a sin against the body itself. Unfortunately, in this day and time, it is made light of.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 18:01:57 GMT -5
This is only one thing the Bible says about marriage. It is an important teaching, and I think Tabitha3319 is right in what she said. This is about remaining free from sin. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about marriage, and we need to look at all of the scriptures on this topic, and follow them. Almost nothing the Bible teaches about marriage is being followed by this sinful generation. WHO understood the scriptures better than anyone . And when i say understood , i should say , WHO INSPIRED THEM . GOD DID . AND who IS JESUS . THUS its real easy for me . IF GOD on earth , GOD in flesh said anything . WE HEED IT . YEP . and its IN THE BIBLE . that is THE JESUS we must follow . THE BIBLICAL ONE . YES INDEED . |
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 18:06:58 GMT -5
Well, I am in the Uk, and couple living together are allowed to be in ministry as youth leaders and the like. Even mainstream churches dont teach about fornication. Thank God for house churches and small independent churches here.
That is sad, because the Bible states that fornication is a sin that will keep us from having any inheritance in the Kingdom of God. It is a sin against the body itself. Unfortunately, in this day and time, it is made light of.
Dont ye know that such will not inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD . SIN is nasty and its end is death . THANK GOD FOR JESUS WHO OPENS THE EYES OF THE LAMBS . THANK GOD that in mercy HE drew us to the SON . AND THE SON reveals unto us , THE FATHER . No one else can . Rome cant save us , many pastors cannot save us , budda saves none , allah saves none . ONLY JESUS . And if we are hearers only , and not DOERS of the word , GUESS who we decieved , OURSELVES . ITs that black and white in the bible . AND TRUE IT IS . |
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Post by bethany on Sept 5, 2020 18:11:09 GMT -5
Its over 30 years since I became a Christian, and it seems the downhill slide of the mainstream churches is getting steeper and steeper. Thats why I only read my bible and pray now, I dont listen to preachers or read books by preachers.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 18:16:20 GMT -5
Well, I am in the Uk, and couple living together are allowed to be in ministry as youth leaders and the like. Even mainstream churches dont teach about fornication. Thank God for house churches and small independent churches here.
That is sad, because the Bible states that fornication is a sin that will keep us from having any inheritance in the Kingdom of God. It is a sin against the body itself. Unfortunately, in this day and time, it is made light of.
And folks think we aint in the falling away . I hear the same things from true lambs all over the world . They cant find a church that aint supporting sins and etc . WE IN the falling away . and worse it will get . John . i get the strongest feeling they are already training church leaders and common folks , to look out for those who wont conform . I bet even some churches , as i type this , are probably already having even speeches on , reporting those in the church or on the street , that dont salute govt almighty and wear a mask . Bet its already happening . But i cant prove that as of yet . But what i do know , is they are being taught to watch out and even report , IF necessary those who are not conforming to the all inclusvie agenda . HOW MUCH you bet , we will be reported on by EVEN CHURCH memembers , for even daring to speak out against homosexuality and other things . ITS COMING My friend . THE CHURCH GOES UNDERGROUND my friend . THIS site will be taken when once the law passes . and we running out of time . Good thing some of us have one anothers phone numbers . IF YOU think they wont come in here and spy us out and report on us , YOU WRONG my friend . COURSE i dont think you think they wont . I am just saying , it might be time for an increase in the prayer for direction . cause i see betrayal coming big time . even at the door . THEY pass that equality act . AND many will immediately come looking for every christain site that they can find to see who is preachign what and who they can turn in. Just remember , i warned us . SO be ready . and most of all , BE READY and WATCHING FOR JESUS . and get those HOUSES CLEAN . that goes for all of us . GET the houses clean and fast . |
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2020 18:17:22 GMT -5
Its over 30 years since I became a Christian, and it seems the downhill slide of the mainstream churches is getting steeper and steeper. Thats why I only read my bible and pray now, I dont listen to preachers or read books by preachers. Bethany . YOU IN A wonderful position for real growth . I Dont read their books either . just the bible . KEEP on feasting sister . every word is so good for our soul . |
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Post by Cletus on Sept 5, 2020 23:33:59 GMT -5
Its over 30 years since I became a Christian, and it seems the downhill slide of the mainstream churches is getting steeper and steeper. Thats why I only read my bible and pray now, I dont listen to preachers or read books by preachers. never give up on the quest to find and fellowship with Gods people. i did for some years and finally found some.
its ok to listen to preachers... but do like those in Berea. verify it all with the bible. trust no man by taking him at his word. I do not know of a single preacher i agree with 100%. as long as they are not teaching heresy treat what they say like fish. eat what you can and throw the rest back.
a preacher i have been listening to lately as time allows other than at my church is Derek Prince
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2021 21:26:43 GMT -5
Its over 30 years since I became a Christian, and it seems the downhill slide of the mainstream churches is getting steeper and steeper. Thats why I only read my bible and pray now, I dont listen to preachers or read books by preachers. Who taught you this, if you're willing to say ? >
"Paul so dismissive of marriage as only for those too weak to control sexual desire"
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