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Post by Cletus on Jun 9, 2019 19:26:56 GMT -5
They selectively ban people for some so-called heresy based on whether or not you make waves by disagreeing with George or if you oppose OSAS. They have heretics in there now. Pink Belt testified she had left her husband and run off with her boyfriend to Canada. She holds to the heretical red-letter movement, and George and the moderators are completely aware of it. The faith plus nothing version of OSAS is a complete heresy, and even in disagreement with the mainstream believers in OSAS, and that is what is promoted by Bloodbought and Behold. I wasn't even in disharmony with their Statement of Faith, so they made up a false charge. My doctrine may not have been in the mainstream, but it wasn't heresy if you are going by their SOF.
In the case of the trinity, WCF is pretty plain in saying they hold to the doctrine of the trinity, as we do also, but I do believe that it may have been overlooked had you been a believer in OSAS. My biggest issue with regard to God is that we believe in the deity of Christ. I am trinitarian, but I am not looking to kick people out that are not if they understand that Jesus is God. I am familiar with the beliefs of some who reject the traditional view of the trinity, but they believe Jesus is God and the Holy Ghost is God. They just believe all three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost are different ways God manifests himself. WCF is looking for reasons to ban people that mess up their attempts at indoctrination, so if you say you disagree with anything that is part of their SOF, they are not banning you or placing you in the non-conformist section because you are a heretic, but because you gave them an excuse.
Ephesians 4 says "til we all come to the unity of the faith." We will never all agree on doctrine. And remembering that the Apostles had disagreements on things, and that the Lord did not give the same revelation to even the New Testament writers, should allow for some differences of understanding that can be discussed. All I would like to see from any who disagree with me is an open discussion, with both sides of view backed up by Scripture. For honestly, I do not concur with the bulk of modern doctrine and theological stance that is commonly preached and accepted. I had presented my view, backed with numerous passages of Scripture, on a topic that many hold dear after I was delegated a non-conformist, and still I was given no room for discussion. I didn't purposely bring it up there, only mentioned it in passing in an essay I had written; and I'll make sure not to bring it up in this forum either, unless the Lord opens that door. For God is continuing to unveil Truth in our day. We've three feasts to go; and just as those who were party to the modern Pentecost revival that began 100 or so years ago were persecuted by the church then that knew well concerning Passover... those stuck in Pentecost will persecute those in whom the Lord is revealing that the Day of Trumpets had begun. I am still a member there. it would be interesting to know what it was you said. if you do not want to speak on it in public you could pm me. I do not seek to judge you, or what you believe. If you do not wish to speak on it in public... i will not either.
i didnt even know what happened until i saw your video, then went to your profile page. I had noticed you were not coming on for a while so i went to see if you were still making videos.
i am asking so i can avoid the topic also as there are a lot of babes in Christ and others who dont really know the truth, and i want to be able to present the truth to them. If you do not want to discuss it thats fine. I am not going to try to twist your arm. I am not asking you to post it here or do anything you dont want to. most of us here have been left with a bad taste in our mouth from .. over yonder. ahem, the other site.
before you came there it was even worse with false teachings. I had rebuked someone harshly but they would not approve the post and it remained hidden. after three days i messaged the head guy, and he did straighten some things out. if he had not i was about to quit that forum. fyi... I prayed for a long time for others to come with truth to that site. then one day you showed up. I was so happy to see you there.
If you like, pray about it first.
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 10, 2019 6:20:45 GMT -5
@michael you are not alone. I find myself biting my tongue on certain topics where I have a “noncomformist” belief. Sometimes we must let sleeping dogs lie for the sake of friendship. I don’t have time at this moment to get into a big doctrinal discussion, but Cletus a nice guy with an open mind whom I would recommend for PM discussion.
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Post by justinadams on Jun 10, 2019 6:30:31 GMT -5
@michael you are not alone. I find myself biting my tongue on certain topics where I have a “noncomformist” belief. Sometimes we must let sleeping dogs lie for the sake of friendship. I don’t have time at this moment to get into a big doctrinal discussion, but Cletus a nice guy with an open mind whom I would recommend for PM discussion. Ah yes. If you do not tow the line you get restricted, banned or 'demoted'. Sometimes though, you must have the guts to speak for the sake of others reading your posts. It is so easy to 'fall inline' with the party-line so you can feel included and all that emotional stuff. But really, it boils down to being true to yourself and the Lord. We are all called to be radicals and no surprise that quite a number of people hate us and try to put us down. Par for the course. Let God be true and every man a liar...
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Post by justinadams on Jun 10, 2019 6:34:50 GMT -5
Just take care online. The gov spends millions tracking people. Just use a VPN and tor browser. Sometimes (AKA Goggle) they use all your data to sell. Nothing you ever do online is totally safe and all kinds of people track you for all kinds of reason. Just make it more difficult for them so they will go after the lower hanging fruit first.
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Post by Sister on Jun 10, 2019 7:30:32 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the the prophets and apostles never hid themselves. They suffered for the Lord's sake. They are going to come after us in the end anyway. Whoever refuses the Mark of the Beast will be noted no matter what they know about us now. They are very patient and waiting for their day, just like we are waiting for ours also. Don't fear them.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 10, 2019 7:43:29 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the the prophets and apostles never hid themselves. "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." - Matthew 5:14
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Post by PG4Him on Jun 10, 2019 7:45:01 GMT -5
I’m certainly not speaking of fear to evangelize the lost. This has nothing to do with speaking truth to heretics. I’m talking about times when I visit a church/group of well-meaning Christians and I know it will be a waste of time to argue over something like tithes or tongues.
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Post by joseph on Jun 10, 2019 10:48:56 GMT -5
ok, thanks Candance! but seriously, I had no prior restrictions, excellent reputation.....so I have no idea why I was banned? I got booted too. Tread on someone's sacred cow and got labeled a heretic. Sadly, many fables, myths and misunderstanding of Scripture are abound in the churches today, and even from the pulpits many have "have nullified the Word of God for the sake of tradition."Why was Jesus banned? (by the scribes and pharisees opposed to Him, and by the roman catholic system for almost 2000 years ? ) It happens daily, all over the world, in churches, and on almost every forum. It will happen here also, as it is 'human nature' (and worse), unless God's Grace grants ongoing revelation/enlightenment and permits guarding and freedom from that development.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 10, 2019 19:05:40 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the the prophets and apostles never hid themselves. "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden." - Matthew 5:14That's right letters and sister . Let it be sounded the world round . It don't matter what is coming against us , WE gonna proclaim truth and expose evil . Put those hands up and let all rejoice in the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 10, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5
I’m certainly not speaking of fear to evangelize the lost. This has nothing to do with speaking truth to heretics. I’m talking about times when I visit a church/group of well-meaning Christians and I know it will be a waste of time to argue over something like tithes or tongues. Its like I said at worthy today . Just cause the popes lips are moving , don't Mean I gotta sit and heed that . You are loved sister . Just wanted to share what got said at worthy today .
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Post by Cletus on Jun 10, 2019 19:13:17 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the the prophets and apostles never hid themselves. They suffered for the Lord's sake. They are going to come after us in the end anyway. Whoever refuses the Mark of the Beast will be noted no matter what they know about us now. They are very patient and waiting for their day, just like we are waiting for ours also. Don't fear them.
And If there ever does rise a fear in our heart... He will take it. Hallelujah to the Risen King.
Fear not little flock.
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Post by Sister on Jun 11, 2019 20:36:41 GMT -5
One thing to think about is the the prophets and apostles never hid themselves. They suffered for the Lord's sake. They are going to come after us in the end anyway. Whoever refuses the Mark of the Beast will be noted no matter what they know about us now. They are very patient and waiting for their day, just like we are waiting for ours also. Don't fear them.
And If there ever does rise a fear in our heart... He will take it. Hallelujah to the Risen King.
Fear not little flock.
When I first found out about the coming tribulation and how ugly it was going to be, it terrorised my soul. I was so young, about 12 yrs old, and it was kind of like what John experienced when he ate the little book (book of Revelation)
Revelation 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
To be given the truth tastes sweet, but when it goes down and you realise the evils that are actually coming, it's very bitter because it's so shocking to find out for the first time. We like to hear all the nice things, but the truth consists of all, good and bad.
Anyway, I got over my initial shock because I understand now why all this has to happen. Jesus always told us not to fear. How can we not fear when the most dreadful test which is coming upon us is going to take our life?
The answer is simple; when Stephen was being stoned he didn't feel a thing. His body was there but his spirit was with God. He was given a vision whilst all was going on, totally oblivious to the pain. There is a shut off switch to the flesh, a distraction which shall be given.....an escape where the spirit leaves the body and is joined with Christ and the Father, through the holy spirit which is "comforter".
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
So when Jesus said "fear not", we have to trust him because he meant it and our spirit will depart from our flesh whilst they are doing their thing. We have left the building already so to speak and this would of happened with all the prophets, and apostles, and even our Lord Jesus.
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Post by ladypeartree on Jun 12, 2019 2:46:43 GMT -5
I do not fear pain as I know first hand that one the pain threshold has been reached you really do not feel it any more . My fear is and always has been for my children and now my grandchildren ..it causes more pain and torment to have to watch a loved one suffer than to go through the suffering yourself
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 13:11:17 GMT -5
@michael you are not alone. I find myself biting my tongue on certain topics where I have a “noncomformist” belief. Sometimes we must let sleeping dogs lie for the sake of friendship. I don’t have time at this moment to get into a big doctrinal discussion, but Cletus a nice guy with an open mind whom I would recommend for PM discussion. Honestly, I'm too old and confident in what I believe to feel bad for any rejection. A little disappointed perhaps, but I wasn't really surprised when I got shut down. God, I believe, has given me a heart to sow Kingdom Truth and leave the rest to Him. There are those with "humble and contrite hearts", who truly "hunger and thirst for righteousness" who will receive and ponder what He has unveiled for me and others to share. If I can only plant or water, God will bring the increase in those He has "ordained to Eternal Life." Many others may be offended, as it shakes their traditional beliefs, or convicts them; but that is not my problem. Remember, these are not 'evangelistic' sites here; we are speaking to those IN the churches who claim to believe in Jesus as Lord. Some of equivalent to the religious leaders of old. There are modern day Pharisees in the churches; not who they point out as 'legalists' for obeying God, but actually those pointing the fingers themselves. Man, we have a lot of sacred cows in the churches at large today; and to speak even a passing word against those traditions gets folks upset! As the apostles declared when beaten & persecuted for speaking Truth, “We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29) So, many will be offended, having bought into the great deception that God allows in the churches for the purpose of perfecting His Elect. And if teaching the Truth causes me to be labeled 'non-conformist' to mans tradition, then I proudly wear the badge! "His disciples approached and said to Him, “Do you know that the Pharisees (religious leaders) took offense when they heard what You said?” 13 He said in reply, “Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides (of the blind). If a blind person leads a blind person, both will fall into a pit.” - Matt 15:12-14 May we have eyes to see and ears to hear and hearts to receive the Truth, regardless of the cost. Peace & Blessings to you & all who truly follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Post by 777 on Jun 19, 2019 15:00:41 GMT -5
I read in a post where George said he doesn't ban anyone, but he will put people on moderator review which is pretty close to being banned.
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