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Post by frienduff on May 16, 2019 18:00:24 GMT -5
Amen sister...this smacks of more Babylon mixture and ways...it's very "North American church" rather than the pure simplicity of the gospel of Christ. Where we see the genuine gospel and true Body of Christ, they don't ask for persecution to stop, they only ask that souls be saved, that their faith not fail and that God be glorified. That's not to say people shouldn't be helped and succored when it's possible to help them, of course....but to be taken out of suffering and persecution is not the uppermost goal of the true church and true followers of Christ. The world welcomes this kind of peace-making, but I'm not at all sure this is what Jesus had in mind when He said blessed are the peacemakers. He was talking about reconciling people to God, not reconciling believers and unbelievers. Luk 6:26 "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets." YOU RIGHT ITS NOT . ITS the trap , its the trap , just another way RIGHT INTO this well planned out mindset to get us all to come into COMMON UNITY for WORLD PEACE . Change agents , THAT is RICK WARREN LANGUAGE . man this stuff is everywhere . And worse folks are falling for it . We don't RECONCILE with unbelievers and jus come together for unity or ANY GOAL . man they will get the rest of the evangelicals WITH THIS Religious TOLERANCE . You all should see what got signed INTO that bill . TO also teach RELIGOINS to GET along , to do works together to make change in their communites . TO WORK AS ONE . MAN ITS ALL A SNARE and a TRAP . THIS IS HOW folks FALL AWAY . BY becoming UNEQUALLY YOKED . THE Devil KNOWS what he is doing and he knows how to do it . WE can only resist him THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE . change agents . What a laugh, if it were not so serious . Change agents . Bridge builders common ground breaking down barriers breading down walls of separation . Seeking common ground Beating swords into plowshares . And scores of other things TO BE ON GAURD FOR . THEY have infiltrated , EVERY religion , EVEN OURS MAN . Even secular man . THIS IS going to explode and will end up COMING FULL FORCE against the true lambs . WE gonna be the outcasts cause we WONT conform to the lie . Well armour up my dear friends . AND YOU ARE RIGHT SISTER . You smelled it REAL quick .
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Post by frienduff on May 16, 2019 18:05:52 GMT -5
He crossed the line when he invited Eric Metaxas to speak from the pulpit. Not just once for a special occasion, but repeatedly. This year at the women’s conference, the keynote speaker is a Christian-Muslim ‘unity’ advocate. Regardless of what Conlon personally believes, he’s handing the microphone to dangerous people. I don’t know how someone goes from laughing it up with Milo Yiannopoulos to preaching at David Wilkerson’s church. Yall , sister candance IS RIGHT . Wilkerson would roll over in his grave if that were possible . Carter has lost his discernment . Its gone if he is allowing this . TELL me , would we let this man come preach to our christain friends . THEN WHY DOES CARTER MAN . HE KNEW BETTER . Its all going to head down hill . Error will only beget MORE ERROR . ERROR never abides alone , IT ALWAYS brings more error with in IN TIME and will totally destroy IF ITS NOT STOPPED . LEAVEN don't just stay stangnant , IT RISES and SWELLS and FILLS THE WHOLE HOUSE FULL.
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Post by frienduff on May 16, 2019 18:14:01 GMT -5
These are such tragic days for the church. Carter Conlon wrote a new book and Eric Metaxas wrote the foreword for it (not co-authored as I thought), who is in agreement with Joel Osteen, and as Giller is pointing out the Catholic Church. Carter then went on Daystar to promote his new book...Daystar is in agreement with and promotes all the false and worldly men and women of rewnown. They all promote each other...they are the merchants of Babylon promoting their merchandise. And how can two walk together except they be agreed. It is very sad and griving to see someone succumbing to the lure and seductions of the Babylon whore, and leading others down that broad way by default. It is the very same temptation that the devil tempted Jesus with in the wilderness. Man , if Wilkerson saw this , he would be rolling over in his grave . But I and you and others have been warning , ITS going down hill man . There was a reason we were called out . a reason we found a lil place here too . We got to pray for each other more and keep on reading them bibles more than ever . Cause every church , not ordained of GOD but by the precepts of mens patterns , Are going on the all inclusive ride . Folks need to come out and now . IF our church or any church does not hold to the identical pattern JESUS SET and the apostels taught and kept ITS DOOMED . ITS JUST DOOMED . Leaders should walk AS DID JESUS , man even regular lambs SHOULD . But if a leader exalts himself , if a leader cannot live as did Christ who LIVED NO BETTER than his own flock , THEN THAT LEADER IS DOOMED TO FAIL and will take his whole church down with him . WE must stand on the STONE , WE MUST learn JESUS of the bible , WE MUST dig only more and CLING TO THE LORD . Cause this is going to mushroom into total chaos in the days ahead . total confusion , total madness against truth . Just watch and see . WE about to be the most hated people and just as JESUS said , those who do so will thnk they do Gods will . MAN the climatic hour is building . ALL things spoken of are coming to pass . LET us go out as we came In , FAITHFUL TO CHRIST even unto death and be here for one another .
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Post by Giller on May 16, 2019 23:48:32 GMT -5
I sent an email to Times Square church let us see what they say, or if they will respond and I pray they take heed.
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Post by John on May 17, 2019 6:21:09 GMT -5
I sent an email to Times Square church let us see what they say, or if they will respond and I pray they take heed. That is good. I attempted to do that sometime back with Westboro Baptist Church, but never heard back from them, and they never changed their ways. I hope you have better success with Times Square Church. Perhaps they are not completely dug in yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 8:32:01 GMT -5
<< Our entire church structure is DOOMED because it sets men up to fall prey to TEMPTATION . Exalting MAN and man can be tempted . >>
Amen, that is well said brother. The Lord is so gracious to show us from His word, how David didn’t get into trouble with God while he was in the wilderness but only after he became a King, remembering how it wasn’t God’s perfect will for His people to have a flesh & blood King. That is what led to the desire for a Temple (translated into cathedrals or fancy church buildings as regards the church), which also wasn’t God’s perfect will and led Israel into even more trouble. Jesus said the Son of Man had no place to lay His head, so likewise we are just sojourners here as well, and this helps us to keep the simplicity of the gospel rather than trying to put down stakes when the Lord wants us to be an organic, fluid, spiritual Body, moving with the cloud and pillar of fire. It really does seem that He is judging that more rigid carved-in-stone church system now as falling short of His glory…judgment beginning with His house…much like He judged the Temple in 70 AD. Nothing new under the sun, and what has been will be again. Awful to watch, these are terrible days...and it does seem to be another sign that we are getting close to the end.
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Post by frienduff on May 17, 2019 14:12:36 GMT -5
While leaders , elders , deacons , bishops etc are part of the true structure , rest assured they were not structured like it is today . Today its as though leaders are above correction , back then even peter got rebuked for his dissimulation . The leaders back then were as Christ . Paul did not have better things than those flocks , they did not sit and make massive gains from the people . They lived plain and took for themselves ONLY that which was necessary to sustain simple plain living . They did not give the order , TOUCH NOT GODS ANNOINTED and who are thou TO TEST ME dung I see today . THEY as JESUS did rebuke , did warn , did and were very grave and serious , BUT built no tower of exaltation for men . They were mere men , who did all for the sake of the church , being spent they rejoiced when even persecuted . The money they did raise up , WENT to the POOR and paul made sure they would KNOW THIS , because he told them , men who YOU APPROVE will go with us . They kept it plain and simple , they did not give mighty long sermons on prosperity which these today don't even KEEP the very princpaples they teach . An example . GIVE ten fold , give give give and ye shall reap a mega fold . YEAH , but if they really believed their lie HOW come they sit and BEG FOR A NEW PLANE . WHY DONT THEY PUT THEIR MONEY where their mouth is and drain THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS and REAP THAT ONE HUNDRED FOLD message THEY SO OFTEN LIE ABOUT . Cause they are FRAUDS just making MONEY off the backS OF THOSE WHO LOVE WHAT THEY HAVE . ITS LIKE ONE GIANT DELUSOIN .
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Post by frienduff on May 17, 2019 14:16:09 GMT -5
I sent an email to Times Square church let us see what they say, or if they will respond and I pray they take heed. Wonderful . Absolutely wonderful . And let us all pray and pray feverent that perhaps they will receive this offering of true love and repent . It tore my heart up to see Conlon go down this road , that man used to be FIRED UP like no other for truth . Perhaps its not too late for him , perhaps he will hear , or some will hear and remind HIM of the error he has been doing . SO let us truly deeply pray they hear and repent .
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 7:10:59 GMT -5
While leaders , elders , deacons , bishops etc are part of the true structure , rest assured they were not structured like it is today . Today its as though leaders are above correction , back then even peter got rebuked for his dissimulation . The leaders back then were as Christ . Paul did not have better things than those flocks , they did not sit and make massive gains from the people . They lived plain and took for themselves ONLY that which was necessary to sustain simple plain living . They did not give the order , TOUCH NOT GODS ANNOINTED and who are thou TO TEST ME dung I see today . THEY as JESUS did rebuke , did warn , did and were very grave and serious , BUT built no tower of exaltation for men . They were mere men , who did all for the sake of the church , being spent they rejoiced when even persecuted . The money they did raise up , WENT to the POOR and paul made sure they would KNOW THIS , because he told them , men who YOU APPROVE will go with us . They kept it plain and simple , they did not give mighty long sermons on prosperity which these today don't even KEEP the very princpaples they teach . An example . GIVE ten fold , give give give and ye shall reap a mega fold . YEAH , but if they really believed their lie HOW come they sit and BEG FOR A NEW PLANE . WHY DONT THEY PUT THEIR MONEY where their mouth is and drain THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS and REAP THAT ONE HUNDRED FOLD message THEY SO OFTEN LIE ABOUT . Cause they are FRAUDS just making MONEY off the backS OF THOSE WHO LOVE WHAT THEY HAVE . ITS LIKE ONE GIANT DELUSOIN . Amen brother. Simplicity.....the difference between flesh and spirit.....spirit has a very different concept of leadership than flesh. We all have seen a worldly concept of pastors, elders, deacons and bishops functioning in the churches and it has led to deadness and ruin. So much so that when I see those words I even cringe because they were made into Titles and Offices, ambition, career, and lording it over, rather than a matter of simply functioning in the gifting, calling and anointing of the Holy Spirit. There is a lot of schism in the body of Christ between leadership and non-leadership while the bible says there is to be no schism. The concept of clergy and laity is of the flesh....it's a concept of kingship (Saul) and subjects. Kings conscript labour and tax their subjects heavily to build their kingdom and make it glorious in the eyes of the other 'nations' round about. Thrones up on a stage....publicists.....posh buildings and state of the art equipment....designer clothes...private jets.....looks like what we have in many churches today is transgression come to the full, the little leaven of flesh full-blown, because it's hard to imagine how it could get more kingly than what we see today. No wonder it is all being spewed out in these last days. And no wonder they are cleaving to Rome now because that is all of the same spirit...not the HOLY Spirit.
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Post by frienduff on May 18, 2019 18:02:34 GMT -5
While leaders , elders , deacons , bishops etc are part of the true structure , rest assured they were not structured like it is today . Today its as though leaders are above correction , back then even peter got rebuked for his dissimulation . The leaders back then were as Christ . Paul did not have better things than those flocks , they did not sit and make massive gains from the people . They lived plain and took for themselves ONLY that which was necessary to sustain simple plain living . They did not give the order , TOUCH NOT GODS ANNOINTED and who are thou TO TEST ME dung I see today . THEY as JESUS did rebuke , did warn , did and were very grave and serious , BUT built no tower of exaltation for men . They were mere men , who did all for the sake of the church , being spent they rejoiced when even persecuted . The money they did raise up , WENT to the POOR and paul made sure they would KNOW THIS , because he told them , men who YOU APPROVE will go with us . They kept it plain and simple , they did not give mighty long sermons on prosperity which these today don't even KEEP the very princpaples they teach . An example . GIVE ten fold , give give give and ye shall reap a mega fold . YEAH , but if they really believed their lie HOW come they sit and BEG FOR A NEW PLANE . WHY DONT THEY PUT THEIR MONEY where their mouth is and drain THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS and REAP THAT ONE HUNDRED FOLD message THEY SO OFTEN LIE ABOUT . Cause they are FRAUDS just making MONEY off the backS OF THOSE WHO LOVE WHAT THEY HAVE . ITS LIKE ONE GIANT DELUSOIN . Amen brother. Simplicity.....the difference between flesh and spirit.....spirit has a very different concept of leadership than flesh. We all have seen a worldly concept of pastors, elders, deacons and bishops functioning in the churches and it has led to deadness and ruin. So much so that when I see those words I even cringe because they were made into Titles and Offices, ambition, career, and lording it over, rather than a matter of simply functioning in the gifting, calling and anointing of the Holy Spirit. There is a lot of schism in the body of Christ between leadership and non-leadership while the bible says there is to be no schism. The concept of clergy and laity is of the flesh....it's a concept of kingship (Saul) and subjects. Kings conscript labour and tax their subjects heavily to build their kingdom and make it glorious in the eyes of the other 'nations' round about. Thrones up on a stage....publicists.....posh buildings and state of the art equipment....designer clothes...private jets.....looks like what we have in many churches today is transgression come to the full, the little leaven of flesh full-blown, because it's hard to imagine how it could get more kingly than what we see today. No wonder it is all being spewed out in these last days. And no wonder they are cleaving to Rome now because that is all of the same spirit...not the HOLY Spirit. Its turned into a business. Its turned into the value being more on regular family members and regular friends too . Favoritism is big time prevelant . And yes , they are all returning to a collective head . Every daughter born Not of the SPIRIT but of the will of man , IS DOOMED to inclusivism . For the wisdom of man cannot discern the evil at work , they see it as a necessary means , and not as the death that leadeth unto the second death.
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Post by frienduff on May 19, 2019 14:58:17 GMT -5
I sent an email to Times Square church let us see what they say, or if they will respond and I pray they take heed. Did they respond yet .
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Post by Giller on May 19, 2019 15:22:03 GMT -5
I sent an email to Times Square church let us see what they say, or if they will respond and I pray they take heed. Did they respond yet . No not yet.
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Post by frienduff on May 19, 2019 21:35:05 GMT -5
Okay . Well let all keep praying its received .
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 9:40:43 GMT -5
God is always faithful to warn......hoping and praying that there will be some ears to hear there at Times Square Church.
The bible says that here we have no continuing city......but we are seeking and building a city that is above, as it were, because we are only sojourners passing through. The problem is that most build churches as continuing cities here on earth. It's so important to have the right mindset and really grasp that "here we have no continuing city".
When the pot becomes marred in the Potter's hands He reserves the right to make it into another kind of pot......what could have been a vessel of honour gets turned into a vessel of dishonour. This is what seems to be happening today.....it's judgment beginning with His house....since they are found to be marred, God is turning all these marred pots (churches) into another kind, so to speak. They will become enemies for the gospel's sake just as Israel got formed into an enemy of the gospel.
Jer 18:4-6
And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Rom 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 10:06:12 GMT -5
The following excerpt might be of help in renewing our minds to the simplicity of Christ as concerns the function of His body. (If anyone have comments I will try to get back, but I'm playing "mommy" to our new puppy and we have had a couple of setbacks already....for a number of reasons it's hard to concentrate right now.) But I hope this will be useful as food for thought so to speak. I'm not endorsing the entire book that this was taken from, haven't read much of it at all, but I believe this part is worth considering. It's from a book called Seven Letters to Seven Churches, by Mark Jantzi.
Ministry
In the first verse of Revelation 2, the Lord speaks of “seven stars” in His hand. In the second verse He speaks of “apostles.” I hesitate to speculate on who these seven stars might be; yet one might believe that Paul could have been one of the seven. Notice that Paul came into his ministry just shortly after the stoning of Steven, of which Paul (then Saul) was a witness. Steven had no title except that of a servant whereas Paul understood that his was an apostolic calling. It was never the intention of the Lord that these callings or ministries should ever be considered “offices.” However, in the King James Version there are all together three times in the New Testament, where the term “office of a deacon” or “office of a bishop” appear. While the King James Version is for the most part a very good and accurate translation, there appears to have been some strong Catholic bias present within the translating of a few verses in the New Testament. Of particular interest here, are Verses 1, 10, and 13 in 1 Timothy 3, which is a chapter that has to do with the order that God has set within His Church. We will be looking here into these verses. A good and necessary tool for studying the Word of God is a Hebrew/Greek/English interlinear bible, such as Green’s Interlinear Bible, which allows one to check the accuracy and faithfulness of the English translation as to how it compares with the literal meanings that are in the words of the original Hebrew and Greek language texts. Now, there is in fact no word with the meaning of “office” in the Greek text such as occurs in these three verses in the English of the KJV, and it is something that was added by men to further sustain the status quo of the then existing state supported church system. You can verify this by checking into the Greek text. Note the differences in the translations of these three verses when we compare the KJV with Green’s Literal Translation as given in Green’s Interlinear Bible.
1 Timothy 3:1 (King James Version) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
(Green’s Literal Translation) Faithful is the word: If anyone reaches out to overseership, he desires a good work
1 Timothy 3:10 (King James Version) And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. (Green’s Literal Translation) And also let these be tested first, then let them serve, being without reproach.
1 Timothy 3:13 (King James Version) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(Green’s Literal Translation) For those having served well gain a good grade for themselves and much boldness in faith, those in Christ Jesus.
So in 1 Timothy 3:13 in the KJV, “have used the office of deacon” is the translation into English of the single Greek word “diakoneo.” In the Literal translation, this Greek word is translated simply as “having served.” And in 1 Timothy 3:10 the words, “have used the office of deacon” is the KJV translation of the single word “diakonos,” which in the Literal translation is translated as “serve.” It is only these two Greek words (with their particular translation into English in the KJV) that account for any occurrence of the word “deacon” or the term “use the office of deacon” in the English Bible. But, if we intend to translate the Greek into the English then let us also stick to the true meaning of the words, which according to the Strong’s Concordance are as follows:
(#1249) “diakonos”: an attendant, i.e. (gen.) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties)… (Note: this word is most often translated elsewhere in the KJV as, “servant” or “minister”)
(#1247) “diakoneo”: from #1249; to be an attendant, i.e. wait upon (menially, or as a host, friend, or [fig.] teacher)… (Note: This word is most often translated elsewhere in the KJV as, “to serve” or “to minister”)
Furthermore, when we look at the word “bishop,” it is not even a word of Greek origin, but from Latin. You might rightly ask, what is a Latin word doing in an English Bible translated originally from Greek? Its purpose likewise was to support the then hierarchical system of the ruling clergy, which had been passed on from the Roman Catholic Church, now no longer a lamp before the Lord for already hundreds of years. It is from the KJV translation for the Greek word “episkope” (#1985 in the Strong’s Concordance) that we get the term “office of a bishop” in the KJV, and this word just simply means an “overseer,” or “one who takes the oversight.” However, this word occurs seven times in the New Testament and in the KJV it is translated as “bishop” six times and only once as “overseer.”
These are meant to be job descriptions (overseers, servants) and not “titles” (bishops, deacons) in a hierarchy, or “offices” in a human-oriented organization.
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