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Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 9:35:44 GMT -5
I would like to hear opinions on Zionism.... for it or against it?
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Jul 26, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
Post by John on Jul 26, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
So long as it is understood all Christians are Israel and heirs with the natural branches, for it. The restoration of Israel is from God, and is necessary to fulfil Bible prophecy.
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Jul 26, 2019 9:56:48 GMT -5
Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 9:56:48 GMT -5
How do you define Zionism? A belief that modern Israel has the right to exist? A belief that some prophecies in Scripture about Israel will still come true?
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Jul 26, 2019 10:06:13 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:06:13 GMT -5
Well... I am just trying to understand this concept as I think it's what is taught in mainstream Christianity today... I'm just not so sure what I was taught for years is the truth. I'm still trying to unlearn the lies. Was just curious if others are so inclined by what they have been taught that Israel is somehow better than the rest of us? That we are supposed to support the state of Israel even though they do not serve the Lord Jesus and the Talmud is anti everything I seem to believe.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:06:44 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:06:44 GMT -5
How do you define Zionism? A belief that modern Israel has the right to exist? A belief that some prophecies in Scripture about Israel will still come true? And... I'm not here on this forum to argue... just to learn.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:08:19 GMT -5
My other question is do any of you believe that Israel is what runs the world (Illuminati)?
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Post by John on Jul 26, 2019 10:09:22 GMT -5
How do you define Zionism? A belief that modern Israel has the right to exist? A belief that some prophecies in Scripture about Israel will still come true? I believe they have a God-given right to exist, but they are not right with God. I don't feel like I should support them with gifts. God brought them back in preparation for the great tribulation period, when they will finally see that Jesus Christ is Lord and Messiah. I support their right to exist, as I see it as the plan of God.
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Post by John on Jul 26, 2019 10:11:51 GMT -5
My other question is do any of you believe that Israel is what runs the world (Illuminati)? I don't, but there is an Illuminati that has a great deal of influence.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:15:27 GMT -5
First of all, as John mentioned above, Israel is not so much about the physical nation you see today... Israel is an idea. Just as we Americans support the idea of America while knowing we’ve lost our way, Christians should support the idea of Israel even as we know modern Israel lost the way.
Paul says the nation of Israel remains in a state of confusion. The Lord put them aside with a writ of divorce, then turned His attention to create a bride from within the Gentiles. However, He has not forgotten Israel, and when all His work is done He shall be reunited with Israel.
So the true Israel is an idea which we Gentiles have primarily been keeping alive. Israel will eventually come to its senses and rejoin the idea.
In the meantime, Jews who reject Jesus are as lost as anybody else. Paul didn’t say they were fine because they were Jews. Unless they turn to join the rest of us in true Israel, they will die as lost as anybody else.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:20:08 GMT -5
None of the apostles told us Israel is responsible for running a satanic world order. There are likely some Jews, as there are people of any race, who do things they shouldn’t be doing, but Israel is not the enemy. That’s the sort of thing Adolf Hitler used to hammer.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:26:58 GMT -5
When Israel was re-built in 1948, many Christians got excited thinking end-time events were about to happen. There was much ‘prophecy’ among Christian circles that the great Israel awakening would happen at the turn of the millennia. Lots of exuberant predictions about massive revival, Christians and Jews uniting, this sort of thing. The Israeli government was more than happy to accommodate Christian tourists wanting to see “the holy land.”
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Jul 26, 2019 10:32:22 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:32:22 GMT -5
I don't think any group of people is the enemy per say... Satan is the enemy but he uses people. If we dig a little deeper into the Illuminati idea we see that the Rothchilds alone are Jewish and they are the ones who run the entire banking system of the world. That's just a tip of the iceberg so to speak. So much to learn on the subject. Evangelical preachers have been teaching for years that we are responsible to help bring the jews back to Israel.... send your money today. yada yada yada... these very preachers that have brought this teaching into the modern day Christian church are Illuminati themselves... such as Hal Lindsey, John Hagey, Perry Stone, etc...
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Jul 26, 2019 10:33:59 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:33:59 GMT -5
When Israel was re-built in 1948, many Christians got excited thinking end-time events were about to happen. There was much ‘prophecy’ among Christian circles that the great Israel awakening would happen at the turn of the millennia. Lots of exuberant predictions about massive revival, Christians and Jews uniting, this sort of thing. The Israeli government was more than happy to accommodate Christian tourists wanting to see “the holy land.” Is there truly anywhere in scripture that says Christ is going to return within a generation of when Israel became a Nation? if so I have not found it and would like to know.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:35:59 GMT -5
When Israel was re-built in 1948, many Christians got excited thinking end-time events were about to happen. There was much ‘prophecy’ among Christian circles that the great Israel awakening would happen at the turn of the millennia. Lots of exuberant predictions about massive revival, Christians and Jews uniting, this sort of thing. The Israeli government was more than happy to accommodate Christian tourists wanting to see “the holy land.” Is there truly anywhere in scripture that says Christ is going to return within a generation of when Israel became a Nation? if so I have not found it and would like to know. No. Jesus made one comment that “this generation shall not pass until all is fulfilled.” Many scholars have used this to surmise that once the end-time events get started it will happen within one lifetime. They thought 1948 was the start of the countdown.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:37:30 GMT -5
Dezi I would only ask that you use caution in your research. I know about the Rothschilds and George Soros and all of that. Yet certain websites/books will only tell you one side of the story. They will send you down a road that turns increasingly dark. Choose your sources wisely.
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