Dezi
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Jul 26, 2019 10:40:35 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 10:40:35 GMT -5
Dezi I would only ask that you use caution in your research. I know about the Rothschilds and George Soros and all of that. Yet certain websites/books will only tell you one side of the story. They will send you down a road that turns increasingly dark. Choose your sources wisely. I have been reading a book called Behold, A White Horse by Cisco Wheeler.... she was an MK Ultra survivor.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:44:00 GMT -5
Post by John on Jul 26, 2019 10:44:00 GMT -5
When Israel was re-built in 1948, many Christians got excited thinking end-time events were about to happen. There was much ‘prophecy’ among Christian circles that the great Israel awakening would happen at the turn of the millennia. Lots of exuberant predictions about massive revival, Christians and Jews uniting, this sort of thing. The Israeli government was more than happy to accommodate Christian tourists wanting to see “the holy land.” Is there truly anywhere in scripture that says Christ is going to return within a generation of when Israel became a Nation? if so I have not found it and would like to know. It is based on the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32-35. The typical lifespan is threescore and ten to fourscore years, or 70 t0 80 years. Based on that, it is thought Jesus will likely return by 2028.
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Jul 26, 2019 10:45:25 GMT -5
Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 10:45:25 GMT -5
The relevant part begins around 4:30
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Jul 26, 2019 11:00:14 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 11:00:14 GMT -5
The relevant part begins around 4:30 I by no means believe we are supposed to exterminate the jews or any people... I just believe that the Illuminati is working through the Nation of Israel today.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 11:06:51 GMT -5
So did they. Word for word. If you truly believe modern Jews are a cover for the Illuminati, there’s no other logical conclusion than to join those who are trying to dethrone them.
Christians are not told to judge a person by how credible they seem, how earnest they sound, or how strong their evidence is. We are told to judge by fruit. Will this draw you closer to the light or further toward darkness. Choose wisely.
Anyway, as I said, I’m not trying to tell you what to believe. Only to share my perspective. This doesn’t need to be an argument.
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Dezi
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Jul 26, 2019 11:17:09 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Jul 26, 2019 11:17:09 GMT -5
So did they. Word for word. If you truly believe modern Jews are a cover for the Illuminati, there’s no other logical conclusion than to join those who are trying to dethrone them. Christians are not told to judge a person by how credible they seem, how earnest they sound, or how strong their evidence is. We are told to judge by fruit. Will this draw you closer to the light or further toward darkness. Choose wisely. Anyway, as I said, I’m not trying to tell you what to believe. Only to share my perspective. This doesn’t need to be an argument. Maybe I just don't understand everything you are saying... not sure why you posted the video... I can't connect the two. I just felt like you were saying that I am against the Jews... not against the Jews... but I am not arguing...
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Jul 26, 2019 11:26:52 GMT -5
Post by justinadams on Jul 26, 2019 11:26:52 GMT -5
I would like to hear opinions on Zionism.... for it or against it? Ok. I will not speak to it exactly the way you might wish. You have to study Israel just after 100 AD. Follow the persecutions, the name calling and the way their beliefs infuriated the so-called powers that be. I have mentioned on here the general atmosphere of the early antisemitic attitudes and beliefs of 'civilized society' when it cam to the Israelis. The Holocaust was the end effect/result of centuries of disfavor. Quite a number of 'theologians' wrote and spoke out against the Jews. Calvin, Luther and many more similar 'experts'. History tells some interesting stories. In the museum in Oxford there is an interesting place that is the foundation of the town hall. It was built by Jews way back. Why? Well, the Jews were forbidden to trade in the market places and had to wear pointy hats so everyone would know them. So then they began to lend money and invest energy in property since that was allowed. They did very well and in many cases got controlling shares in many financial institutions and owned much property. The story is there, in Oxford Town hall Museum, for anyone to go and read about it. Then of course the Nazis despised this prosperity and you know what happened after that. People still hate them for this. It is quite evident if you read the daily news.
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Jul 26, 2019 11:36:49 GMT -5
Post by justinadams on Jul 26, 2019 11:36:49 GMT -5
I don't think any group of people is the enemy per say... Satan is the enemy but he uses people. If we dig a little deeper into the Illuminati idea we see that the Rothchilds alone are Jewish and they are the ones who run the entire banking system of the world. That's just a tip of the iceberg so to speak. So much to learn on the subject. Evangelical preachers have been teaching for years that we are responsible to help bring the jews back to Israel.... send your money today. yada yada yada... these very preachers that have brought this teaching into the modern day Christian church are Illuminati themselves... such as Hal Lindsey, John Hagey, Perry Stone, etc... I am afraid there is too much smoke and mirrors surrounding the so-called Illuminati. It is largely a hoax and a diversionary program to keep J Q Public guessing and in general distrust of anyone anywhere. It is a reactionary mindset to even entertain this stuff. I think our time might be better spent elsewhere. If you take too much notice of this it may lead you down some paths you probably do not wish to explore. It will confuse you greatly.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 11:39:11 GMT -5
I am saying this... evangelical Christians across Europe privately felt that the German government was doing them a favor. Of course they were never in favor of mass extermination, but a little house cleaning was certainly in order, and maybe God ordained this judgment, and they could just look the other way a little... Christians turned in other Christians for working against the Germans. They felt that the German government was finally taking a stand to protect the world from this plague. Take back the banking system, restore national sovereignty, do something about the Rothschilds... this story is as old as the hills.
When Russian soldiers invaded eastern Europe to push back the Nazis, their motto was ‘stop the Germans and kill the Jews.’ They were still blaming the Jews for the Bolshevik revolution. Take back the banking system, restore our national values... same story.
History has proven to us over and over that this message will cause Christians to fall into darkness.
I know you are searching/learning and I don’t want to rob you of the experience. I just ask that you tread softly. That’s all.
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Post by PG4Him on Jul 26, 2019 12:02:50 GMT -5
One more thing and then I am done. When you have finished reading this book you are on, please read the biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer for balance. He was a Christian pastor living in the belly of the beast during the holocaust. At first he felt compelled to support his German brethren on the ostensibly virtuous mission. He was forced to turn against them, and he died as a martyr.
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Post by John on Aug 2, 2019 6:24:45 GMT -5
Dezi I would only ask that you use caution in your research. I know about the Rothschilds and George Soros and all of that. Yet certain websites/books will only tell you one side of the story. They will send you down a road that turns increasingly dark. Choose your sources wisely. I have been reading a book called Behold, A White Horse by Cisco Wheeler.... she was an MK Ultra survivor. I am pretty certain I listened to the audio version of that book, but I can't recall exactly what it was about. Let me know your thoughts about it when you are done.
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Dezi
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Aug 2, 2019 10:15:57 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Aug 2, 2019 10:15:57 GMT -5
I have been reading a book called Behold, A White Horse by Cisco Wheeler.... she was an MK Ultra survivor. I am pretty certain I listened to the audio version of that book, but I can't recall exactly what it was about. Let me know your thoughts about it when you are done.
John.... would you possible watch some of this channel and tell me what you think?
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Aug 2, 2019 10:26:50 GMT -5
Post by John on Aug 2, 2019 10:26:50 GMT -5
I will take a look, but I was noticing the title of that video. We know how this whole thing ends from the Bible. There is nothing to fear from the nation of Israel. There is an Illuminati and they are influential, but they are not part of the Israeli government and are not all powerful. God is in control.
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Post by Dezi on Aug 2, 2019 10:31:12 GMT -5
I will take a look, but I was noticing the title of that video. We know how this whole thing ends from the Bible. There is nothing to fear from the nation of Israel. There is an Illuminati and they are influential, but they are not part of the Israeli government and are not all powerful. God is in control.
I meant to post a different video first... I have not listened to this video yet but plan to today. I was trying to post the one about Noahide Laws. I will find it and post it.
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Aug 2, 2019 10:39:05 GMT -5
Post by Dezi on Aug 2, 2019 10:39:05 GMT -5
Here is the one taking about the Noahide Laws.... @butero
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