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Post by Giller on Aug 3, 2019 15:56:22 GMT -5
I personally do not believe that the fig tree, or generation, mentioned in Matthew, has anything to do with Israel becoming a nation, but i still do believe that Israel becoming a nation once again, is still on the prophetic time clock in regards to other verses, I believe it is either mention in Ezekiel or Isaiah.
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Post by Giller on Aug 3, 2019 16:01:41 GMT -5
Luk 21:24 (24) And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The times of the Gentiles is associated with the troding down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles, which will seize at the second coming.
That is when the times of Gentiles will come to pass, at the second coming.
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Post by John on Aug 3, 2019 16:10:09 GMT -5
So long as nobody is denying the scriptures, I am open to all possibilities. I tend to think that the restoration of Israel either was the start of the final generation, or it was necessary to lead to events that will start that prophetic countdown.
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Post by Giller on Aug 3, 2019 17:18:35 GMT -5
So long as nobody is denying the scriptures, I am open to all possibilities. I tend to think that the restoration of Israel either was the start of the final generation, or it was necessary to lead to events that will start that prophetic countdown.
For myself, i would tend to go with the second one: "...or it was necessary to lead to events that will start that prophetic countdown".
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Post by frienduff on Aug 3, 2019 18:50:31 GMT -5
So long as nobody is denying the scriptures, I am open to all possibilities. I tend to think that the restoration of Israel either was the start of the final generation, or it was necessary to lead to events that will start that prophetic countdown.
For myself, i would tend to go with the second one: "...or it was necessary to lead to events that will start that prophetic countdown". Yes . See if we read in revelations its very clear . Think crystal clear that Israel had to be a nation once again . How so one might ask . Well read where the two witnesses are killed . And look at what the name of the great city is SPIRITUAL SODOM where also our LORD was crucified . JERUSALEM . AND NOW she is back and the center stage for WORLD PEACE and UNITY . Amazing aint it . It had to occur to fulfill the end time events . Its very clear what the great city is , the city that is SPIRITUALLY called SODOM . Folks might want to pay attention to something . Most are so busy defending every jew as GODS KID And aint realizing something , Look at all the evil it supports , they are one of the , the , the highest acceptance rate OF GAY MARRAIGE man . THEMS Not GOD KIDS . ONLY the born again jew is a child of GOD . We better flee them nar and haggee folks . Thanks for all your input giller . Now , PUT those hands up and lets rejoice in the LORD . Jersualem , ROME , they in BED man . ITS ALL one big plan now . And JERSUALEM will be the CENTER of it all . And most folks , jews , muslims buddist , lukewarm Christians are getting prepared for the wrong one . Some serious wickedness in high places has spread all over the place now .
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Post by Dezi on Aug 3, 2019 20:05:24 GMT -5
I wish I understood more about this End Time stuff... I've learned bits and pieces from my past but now it's even more confusing to me when I try myself to figure out what all of these versus mean...
Can anyone explain to me what Israel becoming a Nation has anything to do with End times prophecy? I need the versus that say this.
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Post by John on Aug 3, 2019 20:18:09 GMT -5
I wish I understood more about this End Time stuff... I've learned bits and pieces from my past but now it's even more confusing to me when I try myself to figure out what all of these versus mean... Can anyone explain to me what Israel becoming a Nation has anything to do with End times prophecy? I need the versus that say this. It is not as simple as that. You have to take time to look carefully at what Jesus told his disciples about what would happen in the end times, read Revelation about the things to come, and spend time in Daniel. That is what I would recommend. Just giving you a handful of verses won't help. It will just confuse.
The reason why Israel being a nation is so important is that end time events occur in Israel, so the nation must exist. There will be a new temple built. There will be a peace agreement brokered by the anti-Christ. It has to be a nation for prophecy to be fulfilled. I personally think the most important blueprint of end time events are Jesus' response to his disciples about the last days and Revelation.
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Post by Giller on Aug 3, 2019 22:12:23 GMT -5
Butero gave good reasons of why Israel had to become a nation again.
And there are many more, such as verses in Isaiah, it takes study.
And take this one step at a time Dezi.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 4, 2019 0:38:06 GMT -5
I’ve never bought the theory that Israel being a nation was the start of the end times. Jesus said to watch for a fig tree shooting forth, not a fig tree being planted. By no means is modern Israel shooting forth spiritual greenery yet. When the fig tree and all others around it blossom in unison, that’s when the harvest is ready. He said nothing about a generation perishing, dying, growing old, or any such verbiage. And He didn’t say THAT generation which first saw the fig tree. He said THIS generation. As I see it, this refers to a generation of children of God. A generation of Gentiles redeemed and born again in this covenant. All lambs born again, from Peter and John, to the last human redeemed by the blood, will share the same inheritance. One generation. Anyway, that’s my two cents. personally i think the end times was Pentecost and on. last days whatever you want to call it. the book speaks on "the fullness of time" as when Jesus came.
i see what you are saying here, and i agree with your point of view and logic, however i can see the other side of the theory too... IF we look at the actions and words of those orthodox jews now in the nation who are awaiting their anointed king to come in the flesh. and how they groan for the antichrist, and try to hasten the day to bring this on faster. I can see why they would say thats the end times as it marks moving towards it... i dont say i agree to it or would preach it. personally i would say it was just a tick mark on the timeline of Gods plan and prophecy coming to pass. we see only glimpses of what its like in other nations now... and there are some who think everything is fine and its not going to get worse. but look how it is for some now, and the tribulation will be worse than any other time ever, per scripture.
i only say this as why some think or what they think. I am not to concerned about it as i know we are in the beginning of sorrows now. I also do not attempt to defend that belief.
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 4, 2019 8:36:41 GMT -5
I wish I understood more about this End Time stuff... I've learned bits and pieces from my past but now it's even more confusing to me when I try myself to figure out what all of these versus mean... Can anyone explain to me what Israel becoming a Nation has anything to do with End times prophecy? I need the versus that say this. Theologians have been working on this for 2,000 years. Just as ancient Israel before us spent centuries trying to guess who the Messiah would be. While the Lord gives us prophetic clues, He must protect the mystery. The enemy kingdom works tirelessly to try to stop God’s will. They were running in circles when Jesus was born as Messiah because they couldn’t find Him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet — Matthew 2:3-5 Herod studied Scripture in the hopes of using it against the Lord. We can make some educated guesses, but we’ll never know for sure until it happens.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 4, 2019 10:19:18 GMT -5
And one thing should stand out , WATCH . JESUS had left us with those words , Watch and be ready and when ye shall see these things then know the end is near . I gotta say , by grace with all that I have been seeing , The end is near . And it will take the entire world by surprise , as a snare , as a theif in the night . For when they shall say peace and safety , THEN cometh destruction upon them all and they shall not escape . With all this inquity abounding , with days like lott and noah and a continual ever increase message of unity for world PEACE and safety . HOW much clearer does it need to be EXACTLY what days we are rushing right into .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 4, 2019 10:25:05 GMT -5
God did not destroy the earth in Noahs days with a flood , one second too early or one second too late . It will come when the inquity and evil of man has reached its peak . Let us take a look at the amorites as an example . GOD had told the Israelites to go around them , Because THEIR INQUITY had not yet REACHED THE FULL . And GOD has been long suffering , yet now throughout the world has anyone ever seen such iniquity not only abounding but as it was in Sodom they don't hide it they profess it right in the streets . SEE , inquity Really is abounding in this generation unlike any time before , well , cept for lott and noahs days . Now near the end , this last generation has seen a massive increase in inquity and the honoring of it . Society has always been evil , and evil has always been done . BUT NOT SO HONORED as it is NOW . ITS HONORED its CELEBRATED , ITS UNIFIED under all inclusive . I am telling us all , THE LAST DAYS are here and will get only worse . And it wont move slowly . It will keep speeding up and keep speeding up , faster and faster , just as it has been doing . The world will never even think the day of the LORD is near , they will just be busy celebrating and honoring this all inclusive unity and embracing of sin . Kind of puts it in perspecitive to how far along we REALLY ARE EVEN RIGHT NOW .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 4, 2019 10:33:42 GMT -5
Key signs to look for Look for a day and a time when more than ever good is called evil and evil good . Look for a time when not only sin is increasing but its now honored and celebrated . Look for a time when any who even warn against it make themselves a prey for evil men to destroy , mock , sue etc Look for a time when also inquity has reached the full and then a dark king stands and by PEACE destroys many . Thus look for a message that will be evil , yet seem good and it will gather more and more under its shade for unity and world peace . LOOK for a time when even those who profess HIS NAME , YET DO great evil and deny him by works , Abound and think they do no wrong that they do serve GOD . IN OTHER WORDS TAKE A LOOK AROUND . TAKE A LOOK AROUND . We in days of great evil , only more and more see this evil as all inclusive love , they see it as love as good .
Look for a time when a great falling away is occurring , a falling away FROM the TRUE CHRIST , from HIS SOUND DOCTRINE , and a gathering of minds to be as one under this new version of some kind of love GOD . WE IN DEEP TROUBLE , for in the latter days it was foretold these things would occur and that very few would even notice , JUST as in the days of lott and noah . SEE a PATTERN YET .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 4, 2019 10:42:06 GMT -5
And one huge thing too . LOOK for a time when not only the world but many churches will MOCK this message .
THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWS NIGH , THE SIGNS are all around . And these few will be mocked with words like , THEY have been saying that for years . And this will be upon even the majority of professed christains . Instead they will be seek PEACE , PEACE , UNITY , etc JUST as did the majority of the jews who were false did . THEY sat under false men who had ceased the message of the HOLY ONE and had rather entertained the idea of PEACE PEACE , prophesy not this HOLY ONE tell us of smooth things . SEE A PATTERN YET . And we know that any time a nation or the jews etc rose to great heights of evil , judgment came . ONLY NOW its WORLD WIDE . SO NOW COMETTH THE WORLD WIDE DELUSION and in turn the JUDGMENT of the WHOLE WORLD BY GOD SHALL ARISE AGAINST IT . Man , GOD NEVER CHANGES , ALWAYS LONGSUFFERING , but a time comes when it ends and the DOOR wll be closed and then shall many beat upon the door and say OPEN UNTO US , SAVE us , AND THEY shall hear , I NEVER KNEW YOU wrath only shall abide on them . The pattern has never been so clear as it is TODAY . SO the message must only sound out even more REPENT , REPENT and COME to CHRIST before it is too late . For a day of judgment is coming in which GOD by THE WORD shall judge the entire world . And all men who knew him not in HEART , in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH , will wail in those days . We cannot worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH , if we are not born again BY THE SPIRIT by the WORD , our faith IN HIM . AND IF WE ARE truly converted , TRULY been born again , THEN OUR LIVES WILL REFLECT THIS . Cant honor sin and be worshipping HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH . NOPE , that is called DELUSION and confusion of faces man . that is all that is , its all that is . WE BETTER KNOW FULL WELL we serve the JESUS of the BIBLE cause all other versions contrary to that one , IS FALSE .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 4, 2019 13:10:37 GMT -5
OH , we know what TIME IT IS , TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD . Hands .......................UP and let all rejoice in the LORD .
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