Cletus
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Post by Cletus on Aug 20, 2019 7:15:33 GMT -5
Just want to say also, that in our politically correct world we tend to think forgiving means to avoid dealing with problems when they come up. There are times when it is needful and appropriate to make a person become aware of their wrong. We are to speak the truth to our neighbour, and Jesus said that if any have ought against his brother to go to him about it and seek a reconciliation. I've observed that Jews are often better at this than we westerners in general, if anyone is in the wrong whether in a small or big way, they will let the person know, sometimes by a wry or ironic comment, sometimes by openly confronting, as the need arises...iron sharpening iron in simple honesty. Some things can simply be overlooked, but overall, forgiving is not the same thing as ignoring wrongs. It actually can be wrong on our part to ignore a wrong when it is for the other person's own good to be made aware. IF your brother trespass against you , REBUKE HIM , and if he repent ye shall forgive him . You better believe we supposed to point out the errors , we don't want them in danger , we them restored . Closing a blind eye to an evil a brother or sister does against us , IS NOT going to help them . Rebuke and if they repent forgive . If others do me wrong , I can pray to God to forgive them for the evil they do against me . But you right sister , in this pc world many are seeingthings all backwards today .
there is a little more detail in matthew than in luke. i think you are quoting from Luke. i wanted to post this as it goes into more detail...
Mat 18:15 And if thy brother sin against thee, go, show him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Mat 18:16 But if he hear thee not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established. Mat 18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican. Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, What things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
i do not think this applies to someone who is not your brother. someone not in the church ... we just have to forgive them and pray.
but as for what PG4Him said... that is the love of God... to bless them even when they do us wrong. we can forgive them and not be reconciled to them.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 20, 2019 7:29:02 GMT -5
Yep that is the pattern . And paul held well to the whole of the pattern . All instructions JESUS , paul and others left for the church , MUST constantly be affirmed and let not one thing be set aside , or beware leaven will set in and destroy the flock , it will leaven the place up too , to the full . Now hands up and praise the HOLY LORD .
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Post by michaelcla22 on Dec 20, 2019 5:23:20 GMT -5
As per a psychologist the definition of forgiveness is, “it is a conscious decision to release feelings of resentment toward a person who has harmed you, regardless of whether they actually deserve it. Forgiving is easier said than done. Sometimes, we may think that we forgave someone but, in reality, we still deeply angry on that person. But according to me always forgave to others may be proved wrong decision. Read more about why forgive is necessary and when? crossflix.com/untouched/
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Post by 777 on Dec 20, 2019 6:53:46 GMT -5
As per a psychologist the definition of forgiveness is, “it is a conscious decision to release feelings of resentment toward a person who has harmed you, regardless of whether they actually deserve it. Forgiving is easier said than done. Sometimes, we may think that we forgave someone but, in reality, we still deeply angry on that person. I think there is a lot of truth to this.
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Post by Apostle's Instructions on Dec 20, 2019 6:58:12 GMT -5
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
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Post by 777 on Jan 13, 2020 8:31:36 GMT -5
It is nice to see such unity on something. As of today, everyone agrees as to what it means to forgive!
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Post by John on Jan 28, 2020 6:15:05 GMT -5
It is nice to see such unity on something. As of today, everyone agrees as to what it means to forgive! That doesn't happen too often.
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Post by frienduff on Jan 28, 2020 16:52:03 GMT -5
It is most likely a process where all three are correct.
STEP 1. Stop being angry STEP 2. Don't impute the sin to them STEP 3. Act like it never happened.
If it happens all at once, that is great.
The correct answer , though not fully explained is number two . Don't hold their sin against them . BUT , and this is dire important . They are not welcomed back in , UNLESS they repent . THIS holds in agreement with the words of CHRIST and the apostels . example . LET says a man wrong me , do I charge GOD to destroy that man , NOPE . I pray GOD forgives that man no matter what he has done to me . But I wont wrong that man either . I wont just turn a blind eye as though the man did no evil . I will rebuke that man . ITS OUR DUTY TO DO SO . one who does evil , must not continue in the evil . We correct them . we restore them . One who does evil is in danger and must be corrected . Watch what JESUS says then watch an example I give about Paul. JESUS said , IF , IF you brother trepass against you ………………………………...REBUKE HIM . bam , step ONE . CORRECT HIM . IF HE HEAR , aka REPENT , cease from , FORGIVE him . TO rightly know what that means , all we need is scripture . First we do not hold a grudge for any who does us wrong , we do pray their forgivness , BUT IT DONT MEAN we as one with them . NOPE , we rebuke them in hopes they repent , IF THEY they do THEN WE can HAVE FELLOWSHIP with them . Lets use Paul as a example . IN the first letter to the corinthains . What does he tell the church TO DO to that man who erred . HUG HIM and TELL HIM ALL IS WELL OR cast him out . Cast him out . BUT WHY , to protect the flock from leaven , AND to cause that man to sorrow to repentance . Paul knew how to rightly divide . NOW once the man had sorrowed TO REPENTANCE , what was Paul saying by the second letter , BRING HIM BACK IN . AND paul explained why he had him cast out , that he sorrow to repentance . LET US NEVER FORGET THIS .
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Post by solid on Feb 2, 2020 8:06:44 GMT -5
Jesus said to pray FOR our enemies, not to pray ABOUT them. I am not sure we can't do both. In praying for someone, if we see they are in error, we are talking to God about that error and asking him to cause them to see they are in the wrong. I guess the main thing is we are praying for their good and not their destruction.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 3, 2020 12:20:17 GMT -5
What if a friend has wronged you but you choose not to speak to them because they are a bad influence?
She apologized. I said it was okay. But I haven't contacted her since.
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Post by solid on Feb 3, 2020 12:25:34 GMT -5
What if a friend has wronged you but you choose not to speak to them because they are a bad influence? She apologized. I said it was okay. But I haven't contacted her since. Bad company corrupts. Not hanging out with her doesn't mean you're holding unforgiveness towards her.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 3, 2020 13:37:56 GMT -5
Solid , you said all that was needed to be said . exactly .
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -5
What if a friend has wronged you but you choose not to speak to them because they are a bad influence? She apologized. I said it was okay. But I haven't contacted her since. Bad company corrupts. Not hanging out with her doesn't mean you're holding unforgiveness towards her. A-men.
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