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Post by PG4Him on Aug 17, 2019 9:22:04 GMT -5
An exploration of Christian forgiveness...
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Post by John on Aug 17, 2019 14:45:33 GMT -5
It is most likely a process where all three are correct.
STEP 1. Stop being angry STEP 2. Don't impute the sin to them STEP 3. Act like it never happened.
If it happens all at once, that is great.
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Post by John on Aug 17, 2019 14:47:51 GMT -5
One thing that needs to be considered is what it means to act like nothing happened. You can go on in your personal life doing that, but when others show up who are being hurt by the same person, you shouldn't cover up for them. If you are the only victim, by all means, act like it never happened.
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Post by 777 on Aug 19, 2019 4:36:00 GMT -5
When someone sinned against you, most of the time you will remember what they did. You can treat them like they never wronged you, but I am not sure if that is necessary if they didn't repent. If a person asks you to forgive them, you should go on like they never did anything wrong, so for me, I guess it depends on if they ever said they were sorry.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 19, 2019 6:54:37 GMT -5
apart of forgiveness is for the person who was wronged. actually a big part of it. if we do not forgive others it can grow roots of bitterness down deep in our heart. the longer the roots remain they do grow and they attach to other situations/aspects of our life. if we harbor resentment of any shape size form or fasion it will turn to bitterness in our heart... and this is not acceptable to God.
God will not share our heart with bitterness and be well pleased. there are many scriptures about if you have ought with your brother to go to him and make it right... even before you offer a sacrifice unto God. when we hold something against another... it effects our ability to offer a sacrifice to God, it stunts our love for the brethren also. it diminishes our life from being abundant.
God recently showed me some things in my heart i was bitter about. and in mans eyes i had every reason to be angry, every right to say what i did... but that is not what The Holy Spirit revealed to me. I have to let it go. and it was very hard. i didnt fully let it go until a couple sundays ago we had communion at church. according to scripture... if i did eat and drink Christ that day i would have been eating and drinking damnation. it was do or die time. and not eating or drinking with my brothers and sisters was not an option. I told God ok God, its right now time, you told me to be patient but right now i need you. and i let it all go right then. I am so much cleaner inside now too. and it has given me a deeper love, and i can interact with these certain people without the bitterness flaring up bringing with it anger and attempting to shut them out of my life.
Jesus said pray like this...
... forgive us as we forgive others.
how would you like the Lord to forgive you... because He is a God of rewards, and of justice. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
and what did Jesus say on the cross... Forgive them... for they know not what they do.
If you cant forgive someone for them... forgive them for you. do not let unforgiveness hinder your walk with The Holy One.
I would even encourage all readers to seek God to reveal any unforgiveness in your heart, any bitterness, and then repent.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 19, 2019 7:13:55 GMT -5
one more thing... it dont matter what others do or do not do... what matters is what you do. we are responsible for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 7:45:10 GMT -5
Holding on to unforgiveness and judgments is one major reason for bondages of the soul, along with believing lies of the enemy....this is why we will suffer the torments of those bondages until either we depart this world or until we are desperate enough to seek the Lord for a solution. (parable of the unforgiving servant where Jesus said if we do not forgive those who are in debt to us, we will be put in prison and won't get out until we pay every penny that WE owe).
These are things that need to be worked out with the help of the Lord. He is the only one who by His Spirit, can walk through the walls and gates we have erected in our hearts in response to being hurt. Whatever the reasons a person was tempted to judge/condemn someone else we are the only ones who are accountable for our response to it. OUR response is the only reason for the bondages...snare of the enemy when we agreed with him, he ensnared our soul. God is not unmindful of our suffering and predicaments, and in all our afflictions He is afflicted.....He is patient and willing to help, but the problem is that WE need to become willing, and the things we suffer in the torment of bondage are for our good to help us get to that place of willingness...being willing to acknowledge our own sin, and never mind the sin of whoever hurt us. God will judge the perpetrators on judgment day, if they don't repent, but meanwhile we are to love our enemies, forgive them, pray for them and overcome evil with good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 8:53:33 GMT -5
Just want to say also, that in our politically correct world we tend to think forgiving means to avoid dealing with problems when they come up. There are times when it is needful and appropriate to make a person become aware of their wrong. We are to speak the truth to our neighbour, and Jesus said that if any have ought against his brother to go to him about it and seek a reconciliation. I've observed that Jews are often better at this than we westerners in general, if anyone is in the wrong whether in a small or big way, they will let the person know, sometimes by a wry or ironic comment, sometimes by openly confronting, as the need arises...iron sharpening iron in simple honesty. Some things can simply be overlooked, but overall, forgiving is not the same thing as ignoring wrongs. It actually can be wrong on our part to ignore a wrong when it is for the other person's own good to be made aware.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 19, 2019 16:50:29 GMT -5
so i was speaking to the pastor of the church i been going to today. i mentioned the post i made up a ways. when i finished he spoke on his testimony of forgiveness. he had a job once of painting a house. he did a good job. came back again and did some touch ups. when it was time to get paid the guy wouldnt pay him. after a while the guy told him flat out he wasnt going to pay him because the job didnt have much money in it. so he took him to court. he won. but the guy filed an appeal and closed his P.O. box so there was no way to subpoena him. he went searching for the guy. never found him. said he went to his room to pray one day and had a vision. he saw The Lord, but he could not see his face because this guy was in between them. He said right then he knew what God was telling him. He was allowing/letting this guy who wronged him to get in between him and God. so he repented.
but you see, the house was right down the street from where he lived so he passed by it every single day. said he was really strugelling to win the battle of letting it go and forgiving him... he said he did not get victory until he started praying for the guy for God to bless him, for God to save him and give him a heart to serve God and to walk in righteousness. He said that is when it was real in his heart.
so... if you got someone you are mad at a good way to know if you have really forgiven them is can you/have you/would you pray for them like that?
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Post by PG4Him on Aug 19, 2019 17:48:34 GMT -5
Jesus said to pray FOR our enemies, not to pray ABOUT them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 18:22:14 GMT -5
Matthew 6:14-15 (KJV) 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Shows to me that there is a two sided coin in that there is a reward or a consequence for not forgiving one and other.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 19, 2019 18:43:16 GMT -5
Just want to say also, that in our politically correct world we tend to think forgiving means to avoid dealing with problems when they come up. There are times when it is needful and appropriate to make a person become aware of their wrong. We are to speak the truth to our neighbour, and Jesus said that if any have ought against his brother to go to him about it and seek a reconciliation. I've observed that Jews are often better at this than we westerners in general, if anyone is in the wrong whether in a small or big way, they will let the person know, sometimes by a wry or ironic comment, sometimes by openly confronting, as the need arises...iron sharpening iron in simple honesty. Some things can simply be overlooked, but overall, forgiving is not the same thing as ignoring wrongs. It actually can be wrong on our part to ignore a wrong when it is for the other person's own good to be made aware. IF your brother trespass against you , REBUKE HIM , and if he repent ye shall forgive him . You better believe we supposed to point out the errors , we don't want them in danger , we them restored . Closing a blind eye to an evil a brother or sister does against us , IS NOT going to help them . Rebuke and if they repent forgive . If others do me wrong , I can pray to God to forgive them for the evil they do against me . But you right sister , in this pc world many are seeingthings all backwards today .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 6:28:08 GMT -5
Just want to say also, that in our politically correct world we tend to think forgiving means to avoid dealing with problems when they come up. There are times when it is needful and appropriate to make a person become aware of their wrong. We are to speak the truth to our neighbour, and Jesus said that if any have ought against his brother to go to him about it and seek a reconciliation. I've observed that Jews are often better at this than we westerners in general, if anyone is in the wrong whether in a small or big way, they will let the person know, sometimes by a wry or ironic comment, sometimes by openly confronting, as the need arises...iron sharpening iron in simple honesty. Some things can simply be overlooked, but overall, forgiving is not the same thing as ignoring wrongs. It actually can be wrong on our part to ignore a wrong when it is for the other person's own good to be made aware. IF your brother trespass against you , REBUKE HIM , and if he repent ye shall forgive him . You better believe we supposed to point out the errors , we don't want them in danger , we them restored . Closing a blind eye to an evil a brother or sister does against us , IS NOT going to help them . Rebuke and if they repent forgive . If others do me wrong , I can pray to God to forgive them for the evil they do against me . But you right sister , in this pc world many are seeingthings all backwards today .
Amen. I think rebuking can be understood to have more than one gear, can it not....anywhere from gentle and tactful to more direct and confronting, depending on the situation.
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Post by frienduff on Aug 20, 2019 6:40:41 GMT -5
IF your brother trespass against you , REBUKE HIM , and if he repent ye shall forgive him . You better believe we supposed to point out the errors , we don't want them in danger , we them restored . Closing a blind eye to an evil a brother or sister does against us , IS NOT going to help them . Rebuke and if they repent forgive . If others do me wrong , I can pray to God to forgive them for the evil they do against me . But you right sister , in this pc world many are seeingthings all backwards today .
Amen. I think rebuking can be understood to have more than one gear, can it not....anywhere from gentle and tactful to more direct and confronting, depending on the situation. We rebuke them because we ought to fear for them and desire they truly repent . This comes from the desire that we desire none to perish . I want us to take a good look at what to love thy neighbor deeply entails . And that if one Loves not JESUS above everyone how this is not possible .
John once wrote , and he got this from JESUS , that if a man loves not his brother he is in darkness , he is a murderer and that ye know no murderer has eternal life. Everywhere JESUS went with the true gospel , always if he noticed error he would rebuke , correct , even the very ones that invited HIM to dinner . Now take a look at what is written . YE shall not HATE your brethren , neighbor in your heart , you shall in ANY WISE , any WAY , Rebuke Him and not ALLOW sin upon HIM . IF we truly LOVED JESUS above all things , THE LOVE OF TRUTH , OF HIS SAYINGS would be a GLOWING IN OUR HEARTS and we would be ABLE TO SEE and to pull specks from eyes . But if the love of what man has twisted is rather on our hearts , then we will love as does the world , and the world loves by sensual means it embraces the wrong things and calls evil good and good evil. At the mere sight of error or leaven we saw apostles move quickly to correct . NEVER ONCE saying , don't judge , just hug em to JESUS we all sinners . NOPE . AND A BIG NO NO . For they knew two things , that soul in error WAS IN DANGER and would also if not corrected cause leaven to rise up and fill the place . ANYONE ever wonder why when these seeker friendly tatics really invaded the churches , that in quick time leaven has flooded and people now justify the wicked behavior of those who did evil , calling it love now . FOLKS ITS GODS PATTERN , OR KISS IT ALL GOODBYE and be prepared also to WAIL on the DAY of the LORD OH I know this sounds grave , but it makes it NO LESS TRUE . TIME for the church TO BE THE CHURCH and if we are truly the BODY of JESUS in SPIRIT and in TRUTH , we gonna love HIM and learn that pattern and embrace all things in that bible for means of correction and instruction in righteousness . NOW , We know what time it is , its very late in the age , its also TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD and get busy one and all , learning more than ever the true and pure the holy and righteous way and ways OF THE LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Aug 20, 2019 6:58:49 GMT -5
Our dear loved sister watchful is here . You are loved sister . We do all for the welfare of others . Hands up and rejoice in the LORD . from a heart that loves JESUS above all . Hands up and praise the LORD .
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