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Post by PG4Him on Sept 5, 2019 8:30:40 GMT -5
But at times these sincere convictions can filter the way we see all of church, so that by slow degrees we begin to think buildings are bad, programs are bad, techniques are bad, schedules are bad, and let’s not do it like those guys with big speakers and jumbotrons, and we’ll show them what it really looks like, and I’m so anti-institutional and counter-cultural, and I’m so over the plastic manufactured Sunday machine, and let’s be organic and “get back to our roots.” This is such a common temptation to every Christian that I’m sure it’s Satan’s favorite game-plan.Read the rest here: churchplants.com/articles/11328-dont-fall-for-this-subtle-attack-by-satan-on-the-church.html
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 8:52:47 GMT -5
There are interesting points here, but one has to be careful.
And a building itself, is not wrong, we can be so against buildings that it can hinder us from gathering in a building if God is leading us to one.
We have to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit.
But in saying this, we really do have to be careful were we gather, I have seen people say that oh we will gather there, and we will change them, but what happened?
That group changed them, and now this person has denied the baptism of the holy Ghost he has received.
Yes different people are at different places in the Lord, and we have to be patient with each other, but in saying this, it is important that the right leadership, is leading the flock.
We cannot compromise on the truths God has revealed, but in certain areas, we can be patient for people to get here or there, but we have to be very careful.
Yes there are people who are truly Christian in denominational circles, and I would fellowship with someone of denominational background, but do not want to be part of one, or this system, for it is not of God.
Many times people will try to change a system, and most of the time, it changes them, many people will not budge at all, in this area.
And in some cases it is either conform, or out you go.
We are called to be a separate people, yet to be patient with one another, and yet to always remain open to the Holy Spirit ourselves for the things he needs to reveal to us.
So there are goods points said, yet hmmm, there needs to be carefulness.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:06:28 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on this article Candance?
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:16:10 GMT -5
And also there is a flip side of things, some Christians think they are so strong, that they can just gather at any church and think they will change them.
But the bible also says this:
1Co 15:33 (33) Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 5, 2019 9:26:25 GMT -5
This is the development of their attack on non-conformists. I mean Christians who drop out of the mainstream system because they want to return to how the apostles did things — small home gatherings, no big budgets, group participation, etc. Church leadership has turned against that whole lifestyle.
First they said if you leave church you’ll backslide. Then the non-conformists started to gather in homes. Church leaders said they were doing it out of pride and rebellion. Over time the talking point became, they reject the mainstream church because Satan is using them to attack it. Finally at the end, the message will be, don’t listen to non-conformists in home churches because they are not even saved.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:29:23 GMT -5
And in some people's minds if you do not gather at an established church, then you are not part of the church, or at a denominational church, and so forth.
If we are in Christ we are part of the church, whether you gather in a building, in a garage, in a house, and so on.
Many of the church world has it wrong of what the church even is.
What if 2 or 3 gathered together, they are still part of the church, and have not abandoned the church.
Many times people are considered to have abandoned the church, if they do not go to a building, or if there are not many numbers in their gathering.
They will say that is not the church.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 5, 2019 9:29:24 GMT -5
A popular Rick Warren disciple recently said “the first five books of the Bible show us how God feels about complainers.” Yes, in their eyes, the mainstream leaders are like Moses leading the way, and non-comformists are like Korah. They are getting bolder in these attacks.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:33:59 GMT -5
This is the development of their attack on non-conformists. I mean Christians who drop out of the mainstream system because they want to return to how the apostles did things — small home gatherings, no big budgets, group participation, etc. Church leadership has turned against that whole lifestyle. First they said if you leave church you’ll backslide. Then the non-conformists started to gather in homes. Church leaders said they were doing it out of pride and rebellion. Over time the talking point became, they reject the mainstream church because Satan is using them to attack it. Finally at the end, the message will be, don’t listen to non-conformists in home churches because they are not even saved. Ok I see your point, was not sure if you were promoting or were against what was said. To me there was certain points said, that were interesting points but yet at the same time, there were some I found very ifi, that is why I said the word hmmm. I found it was well worded, but was a certain deception in it. And I think that because of it being well worded, it can deceive some people.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 5, 2019 9:36:30 GMT -5
Mark my words. Mainstream church leaders will use so much of this jargon that they will start to sound like Catholics. They won’t be able to justify the Protestant reformation when they themselves use the same rhetoric against their protestors. This will cause them to rethink the Protestant movement, and there will be a “repentance” as the mainstream church returns to fellowship with Rome.
If you disagree with this, you will be compared to cults like the Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses.
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Post by PG4Him on Sept 5, 2019 9:43:34 GMT -5
Honestly I could see pope Francis or his successor being instrumental in that. He will call for the Catholic church to do some soul-searching of its own, to face the “hard truth” that bad decisions in the Middle Ages rightfully made some people feel frustrated, and Rome reacted too impulsively in rejecting their ideas. Of course there will be some talking point that wealthy power brokers bullied the pope in those days. Thus Catholics and Protestants will unite, they’ll hammer out a cohesive compromise on Mary, and social justice will be the united church’s new goal, and this will be the church “returning” to the New Testament.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:56:40 GMT -5
Honestly I could see pope Francis or his successor being instrumental in that. He will call for the Catholic church to do some soul-searching of its own, to face the “hard truth” that bad decisions in the Middle Ages rightfully made some people feel frustrated, and Rome reacted too impulsively in rejecting their ideas. Of course there will be some talking point that wealthy power brokers bullied the pope in those days. Thus Catholics and Protestants will unite, they’ll hammer out a cohesive compromise on Mary, and social justice will be the united church’s new goal, and this will be the church “returning” to the New Testament. Of course they will try any tactic. Compromise is never a witness of the gospel, people need to see a true example of Christianity to were people are standing strong on the truths of the word.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 9:59:35 GMT -5
I personally got kicked out of a church for standing on truths of the bible, and going against this certain thing they were into.
And even a certain preacher of another assembly threatened to mention my name in a sermon, because I was warning people concerning the dangers of Christian rock.
Now this so called preacher is no longer their preacher, and is gone all out into the world, is what i last heard.
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Post by Giller on Sept 5, 2019 10:23:32 GMT -5
This is the development of their attack on non-conformists. I mean Christians who drop out of the mainstream system because they want to return to how the apostles did things — small home gatherings, no big budgets, group participation, etc. Church leadership has turned against that whole lifestyle. First they said if you leave church you’ll backslide. Then the non-conformists started to gather in homes. Church leaders said they were doing it out of pride and rebellion. Over time the talking point became, they reject the mainstream church because Satan is using them to attack it. Finally at the end, the message will be, don’t listen to non-conformists in home churches because they are not even saved. There are many who feel a very big condemnation in them, if they leave a denominational assembly , and they have been made to feel this way. And that they will backslide if they do. And I truly believe it is the devil deceiving them in this, in fact God wants them to leave the denominational system, and I know and hear of people leaving the system, but then get slack in their walk, an as a result go back into the system, that is another trap people get into. What people need, is to have a truly dedicated walk with God, and to truly seek after what pleases him, and not be lead by their emotions. Emotions deceive many. I think that many because of being fed bad spiritual food, and not feeding properly on the manna themselves, it gets people to depend upon what the pastor says, or upon what the system says, and when they drop out of the system, because it is so structured in them, they feel that they are backsliding, and thus go back to the system.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2019 12:36:44 GMT -5
At an instant I knew this was a tatic . They are doing everything now to just get folks to gather again . I know what I say next sounds very dire . I will die before I gather under what is false and go with the mindset that we should ease up on correction and just focus on the things we have in common . If Paul said it we say it . And he said if folks don't heed his letter , EVEN , don't gather with such . Folks we got to be united in what the the apostels wrote . They knew this . It was meats , drinks and days we could over look , but not to doubtful disputations . THEY are doing EVERYTHING in every possible way to reach every possible group . TO them , their mission is more than mere duty , its more than LIFE ITSELF . THEY are and truly believe they DO GODS WILL . AND WATCH where it leads , SISTER candance is RIGHT , only she didn't say the PERSECUTION part of it . ALL WHO CONFORM not will be seen as nothing but total haters of all humanity . ALL religions will also join . THIS is not a delusion that has began ITS THE DELUSION . And I will die first and be stinking long in the soil before I even glance in its direction . I KNOW this sounds mean and hateful , AND YET I take not one word of it back . I KNOW I hate no one , but EXPOSE this I will by the grace of GOD .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 5, 2019 12:42:44 GMT -5
We got our gathering. I gather with folks that love truth , not most all else of what I see . We got folks here RIGHT NOW that love the LORD . And we will gather in the time to come . I will be long dead before I sit under the mix . It was totally depressing and its why I fled church after church after church . I WANT LAMBS CHOW , not goats chow ..
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