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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 7, 2020 3:25:16 GMT -5
In Revelations, it says liars will be found in the lake of fire.
But didn't Rahab lie in order to help the two Hebrew spies?
I told my mother I'm still taking medication. I am not, but I don't want her to worry and get upset with me.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 7, 2020 4:13:59 GMT -5
So it's definitely seeming like the right thing to do is have an honest conversation with my Mom.
I lied to her about the medication and our financial situation.
I'm not looking forward to it.
Please pray for me.
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Post by Giller on Feb 7, 2020 10:46:14 GMT -5
I will pray for you, but lying is never right.
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Post by John on Feb 7, 2020 12:07:59 GMT -5
So it's definitely seeming like the right thing to do is have an honest conversation with my Mom. I lied to her about the medication and our financial situation. I'm not looking forward to it. Please pray for me. There are probably ways you could handle your financial situation without lying. You could tell her that it hasn't always been easy, but the Lord has met your needs. No matter how your needs have been met, so long as you still have provision, that is true. As far as your meds go, knowing what happened the other time you went off of them, I understand why that would worry her, but you could explain how you have a better understanding of things now, and that your husband is supporting you in your decision. You could tell her that if it becomes evident you can't function without them, you would go back on them before allowing yourself to have another breakdown. There are ways to say things that are not dishonest, but also not going into too much detail. I do know how family situations can be, so I do understand your dilemma. I will be happy to pray for you.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 7, 2020 12:21:21 GMT -5
The truth is , deep down I think sister naomi felt a prick in her conscious when she did this . It was probably as though she felt no peace in it . Am I right dear sister . We need to heed those convictions . You are loved sister naomi , so please don't be offended in any way . Just don't do this again . And as a personal testimony , your mother in law can see the power of GOD at work in you and perhaps realize we have all we need IN CHRIST . Do be encouraged , but don't lie dear sister .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 7, 2020 15:20:57 GMT -5
I should clarify that I intended to get back on medication when I started working again.
I called my parents and told them the situation. They were so relieved and supportive, I felt terrible for lying.
It's very hard sometimes to look at yourself and see the sin.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 7, 2020 15:54:26 GMT -5
I should clarify that I intended to get back on medication when I started working again. I called my parents and told them the situation. They were so relieved and supportive, I felt terrible for lying. It's very hard sometimes to look at yourself and see the sin. Do you mind if I ask WHY you intend to get back on the medication . You have been fine without it , Right . Do you feel as though you might need it when at work . IF so , don't believe that . You have been fine without it , right , So don't worry over the morrow . I am not judging you decision , ONLY letting you know , You have been fine without it , SO WHY start back on it .
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 7, 2020 16:56:27 GMT -5
I've tried to go off of it before. I'm always fine for months up to two years.
But in a stressful time eventually, my symptoms come back.
I don't want to take the risk.
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -5
I should clarify that I intended to get back on medication when I started working again. I called my parents and told them the situation. They were so relieved and supportive, I felt terrible for lying. It's very hard sometimes to look at yourself and see the sin. You are right about that. It is very hard to see the wrong in things when it is about ourselves, whereas those who are on the outside looking in can sometimes see things clearer. I do not think that what you did was in the same category as those who bear false witness and lie to do harm to others. At the same time, when you tell the kind of lies you did, you know on the inside what you said was false, and that leads to having to continue the cover up. It does you more harm than others, and it might prevent you from getting help if you need it. If nobody knows you have financial problems, you have to go through it alone, and maybe the Lord wanted to give you assistance through family or friends.
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 13:17:24 GMT -5
I've tried to go off of it before. I'm always fine for months up to two years. But in a stressful time eventually, my symptoms come back. I don't want to take the risk. It may be that going back to work may not be the plan of God for you. I don't have any word from the Lord on this, but it is possible. You understand your situation more than any of us do. I am not going to tell you to stay on your meds or remain off of them. You do not want to wind up where you were before, but clearly, if you are able to do alright without them, that is better. Seek the Lord for His wisdom as to how to proceed, with regard to going back to work, and with regard to going back on your meds. Also, seek the Lord for wisdom about finding a job opportunity for your husband where he can make the kind of income that you both need to pay the bills. It may be that there is something out there you haven't seen yet. The main thing I am saying here is, don't let people dictate what you do, but seek God. Look for open doors.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 8, 2020 13:54:25 GMT -5
In Revelations, it says liars will be found in the lake of fire. But didn't Rahab lie in order to help the two Hebrew spies? I told my mother I'm still taking medication. I am not, but I don't want her to worry and get upset with me. one thing i want caution you on... and i am not saying you are doing this ok. am not saying this at all... but something to think about, meditate on. And i do this for myself too and it helps to keep me in check.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
sometimes we can try to justify what is right by what situation has brought, how we are wronged, and even by scripture. sometimes we think we are right. thinking is not a fruit of the spirit. nor is self justification. we must be led of The Spirit. Just because we are wronged does not relieve our obligation to Gods commands. when we are at that place where we question... is this the right thing to do or is this wrong because of.... often times we think we are right. BUT... the Spirit will show us when we seek Him we are wrong, and most times its something we know from either experience or scripture that we did not even consider or factor in to the matter. God knows we forget stuff. and He is not shy about correcting us as needed. Sometimes the thing He will command us to do tears at our heart and its the last thing we really want to do. sometimes in our heart we can be angry about what God tells us, and it seems its unfair. Well, it may be unfair but i cant recall a scripture where it says thus saith The LORD, it shall be fair. whats important is that even when its unfair to us that we honor what God tells us... and its then that God sees and will exalt you... because you humble yourself.
I am saying this because you asked the question but didnt Rahab... are you, and you do not need to answer this, but are you trying to justify your actions to absolve yourself from your responsibility to God? If you are not doing that and you are really just curious great. and for the record i do not care to judge you, I am saying this to potentially help you/others. You really do need to seek Gods face for wisdom in this matter because in Jer 17:9 it does ask who can know it?... God does. and He will tel it like it is every time.
I would also encourage you to ask God for a vocabulary and wisdom on how to deal with your mother/others.
It may also not be a bad idea to monitor your symptoms. if you need to go back then maybe you should. I know its not the same topic but i do this with my acid reflux. when it flares up i take medicine. when it goes away, i watch what i eat and dont take medicine. it comes back, i take some medicine and get things balanced again and so on.
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 14:13:27 GMT -5
In Revelations, it says liars will be found in the lake of fire. But didn't Rahab lie in order to help the two Hebrew spies? I told my mother I'm still taking medication. I am not, but I don't want her to worry and get upset with me. one thing i want caution you on... and i am not saying you are doing this ok. am not saying this at all... but something to think about, meditate on. And i do this for myself too and it helps to keep me in check.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. sometimes we can try to justify what is right by what situation has brought, how we are wronged, and even by scripture. sometimes we think we are right. thinking is not a fruit of the spirit. nor is self justification. we must be led of The Spirit. Just because we are wronged does not relieve our obligation to Gods commands. when we are at that place where we question... is this the right thing to do or is this wrong because of.... often times we think we are right. BUT... the Spirit will show us when we seek Him we are wrong, and most times its something we know from either experience or scripture that we did not even consider or factor in to the matter. God knows we forget stuff. and He is not shy about correcting us as needed. Sometimes the thing He will command us to do tears at our heart and its the last thing we really want to do. sometimes in our heart we can be angry about what God tells us, and it seems its unfair. Well, it may be unfair but i cant recall a scripture where it says thus saith The LORD, it shall be fair. whats important is that even when its unfair to us that we honor what God tells us... and its then that God sees and will exalt you... because you humble yourself.
I am saying this because you asked the question but didnt Rahab... are you, and you do not need to answer this, but are you trying to justify your actions to absolve yourself from your responsibility to God? If you are not doing that and you are really just curious great. and for the record i do not care to judge you, I am saying this to potentially help you/others. You really do need to seek Gods face for wisdom in this matter because in Jer 17:9 it does ask who can know it?... God does. and He will tel it like it is every time.
I would also encourage you to ask God for a vocabulary and wisdom on how to deal with your mother/others.
It may also not be a bad idea to monitor your symptoms. if you need to go back then maybe you should. I know its not the same topic but i do this with my acid reflux. when it flares up i take medicine. when it goes away, i watch what i eat and dont take medicine. it comes back, i take some medicine and get things balanced again and so on.
Those are all good points. We can try to justify wrong doing like that, but she does have a legitimate question. There are some instances in the Bible where God rewarded people for lying. Rahab was one. The midwives who lied to protect the male babies were another. The circumstances were totally different from lying to harm people. We know that to bear false witness is a serious sin, and I know that those who do so, shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. What of telling a lie to protect someone? For instance, lets suppose that I was being interrogated over the location of a Christian hiding from government officials seeking to arrest them for preaching the gospel? Would I really be sinning to tell them I don't know where they are if I am hiding them? This is a legitimate question. Are there some cases where lying is okay?
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 8, 2020 14:16:02 GMT -5
Im trying so hard to believe that God has forgiven all of the sins and failures I've repented of.
I'm in my Word more, I'm cutting out sin, Im seeking God in prayer, my life is somewhat improving but it doesn't feel like enough.
It feels like all of the actions and behaviors I did before I returned home--- influenced by mental illness or not --- scream that I'm evil.
Maybe I shouldn't have listened to my mother-in-law tell me all the reasons she hated me and would never support our marriage.
But I did do some bad things and made terrible decisions. It was like a strong spiritual delusion.
I think it's going to take a while before I start feeling a sense of assurance again.
I need to see more fruit over a period of time.
I have to. I don't think I could live with myself otherwise.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Feb 8, 2020 14:18:38 GMT -5
In Revelations, it says liars will be found in the lake of fire. But didn't Rahab lie in order to help the two Hebrew spies? I told my mother I'm still taking medication. I am not, but I don't want her to worry and get upset with me. one thing i want caution you on... and i am not saying you are doing this ok. am not saying this at all... but something to think about, meditate on. And i do this for myself too and it helps to keep me in check.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
sometimes we can try to justify what is right by what situation has brought, how we are wronged, and even by scripture. sometimes we think we are right. thinking is not a fruit of the spirit. nor is self justification. we must be led of The Spirit. Just because we are wronged does not relieve our obligation to Gods commands. when we are at that place where we question... is this the right thing to do or is this wrong because of.... often times we think we are right. BUT... the Spirit will show us when we seek Him we are wrong, and most times its something we know from either experience or scripture that we did not even consider or factor in to the matter. God knows we forget stuff. and He is not shy about correcting us as needed. Sometimes the thing He will command us to do tears at our heart and its the last thing we really want to do. sometimes in our heart we can be angry about what God tells us, and it seems its unfair. Well, it may be unfair but i cant recall a scripture where it says thus saith The LORD, it shall be fair. whats important is that even when its unfair to us that we honor what God tells us... and its then that God sees and will exalt you... because you humble yourself.
I am saying this because you asked the question but didnt Rahab... are you, and you do not need to answer this, but are you trying to justify your actions to absolve yourself from your responsibility to God? If you are not doing that and you are really just curious great. and for the record i do not care to judge you, I am saying this to potentially help you/others. You really do need to seek Gods face for wisdom in this matter because in Jer 17:9 it does ask who can know it?... God does. and He will tel it like it is every time.
I would also encourage you to ask God for a vocabulary and wisdom on how to deal with your mother/others.
It may also not be a bad idea to monitor your symptoms. if you need to go back then maybe you should. I know its not the same topic but i do this with my acid reflux. when it flares up i take medicine. when it goes away, i watch what i eat and dont take medicine. it comes back, i take some medicine and get things balanced again and so on.
To be honest, Cletus, I wasn't really in Scripture as much at the time. I think that's why I allowed it. When I started reading Scripture daily, it became much clearer that I was in the wrong.
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2020 14:54:38 GMT -5
Im trying so hard to believe that God has forgiven all of the sins and failures I've repented of. I'm in my Word more, I'm cutting out sin, Im seeking God in prayer, my life is somewhat improving but it doesn't feel like enough. It feels like all of the actions and behaviors I did before I returned home--- influenced by mental illness or not --- scream that I'm evil. Maybe I shouldn't have listened to my mother-in-law tell me all the reasons she hated me and would never support our marriage. But I did do some bad things and made terrible decisions. It was like a strong spiritual delusion. I think it's going to take a while before I start feeling a sense of assurance again. I need to see more fruit over a period of time. I have to. I don't think I could live with myself otherwise. If you confessed your sins to God, and are doing your best to live for Jesus, you are forgiven. You are clean. Those things you did wrong in the past are forgiven and forgotten by God. They are under the blood. You don't need to fear when it comes to your relationship to God, so long as you keep following Jesus.
What you are dealing with are the earthly consequences of your sins. That doesn't always go away. Our actions have consequences. There is a story in Acts about a man named John Mark. He went on a missionary journey with Paul and Barnubus, and didn't continue with them till the trip was completed. He just abandoned them. Later on, Barnabus wanted to give him another chance and take him along, and Paul wouldn't have it. The strife between them was so great, Paul found someone else to team up with, and Barnabus went with John Mark Later on, after John Mark proved himself, Paul has nice things to say about him in one of his epistles. It took time, but things improved. Will your Mother-in-law forgive and forget? I don't know, but if you walk right going forward, it will be noticed, even if she never openly says so.
Do not let these people make you feel unclean or hopeless. Every one of us has regrets about things we have done, and wish we could change things in our past. We can't. We have to go forward where we are. We can learn from our past mistakes, but we can't undo them. Do not let the devil condemn you for those things. Before his conversion, the Apostle Paul had part in the stoning of Stephen. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine the regrets he must have had? Still, he couldn't change it. Learn from the past, but don't let your past condemn you. Go forward serving the Lord.
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