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Post by ohhello on Dec 2, 2021 15:18:33 GMT -5
The glorious Lord be praised.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2021 15:03:15 GMT -5
I am not aware of anyone teaching what you are. I believe it would be strange to the church of any age. Do you have anything you can point to where anyone else is teaching what you are? Are there any teachers, any ancient writings, anything at all? If not, it is your own private interpretation. We are just taking the Bible as written. You are trying to spiritualize everything. If you do have others teaching what you are, I will be happy to examine it.
Greetings brother. I don't consider this issue something to break fellowship over, and if we find we've been mistaken we can just change our minds. Well the bible says the things of God are spiritually discerned, so it is with the spirit we understand, with the help of the Holy Spirit. I don't know why anyone would think it is strange to say so, and encourage others to seek spiritual understanding. 1Co 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I've just been doing what the bible says to do with regard to testing all things, and encouraging others to test and re-examine this too. To my knowledge not many have stopped to actually test this concept of a future millennial reign. All the new testament scriptures point clearly to the judgment and end of this world, and new heavens/earth being at the coming of Christ, no mention or room for a future millennial reign. But when we get to the book of Revelation, only then does that start to become murky....but only because our current understanding of Revelation doesn't mesh with all that was written before it. I don't like labels, but there are "preterists" and "partial preterists" around, I'm sure you must have run into some along the way. (I'm still a work in progress on this, plodding slowly along, but I would probably be called a partial preterist in how I'm looking at these things at the moment.) I've heard some mention that the church in times past (until John Darby) did not hold to a future millennial reign doctrine, but I'm not a researcher, too old and worn out to start now, but others might be better situated to look into it. I was referring to how you said that your view would only seem strange to the modern church. That is not true. It would be strange to the church at any time. There is nothing close to your beliefs in the Bible, and I have also read a great deal of writings of the early church, and have seen nothing like it in any of those writings either. I have not seen anyone teaching that we are already in the Millennial Reign of Christ. I have not found any modern day teachers saying that either. You have stated that this is your belief, not based on the teachings of anyone else, but what God showed to you. That makes it a private interpretation. I have no problem with anyone allowing God's Spirit to teach them. I do that, and so do others, and none that I know of believe we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today. That means that you are the only one saying that God taught you this doctrine. It is of private interpretation.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2021 15:10:59 GMT -5
1Pe 4:17 (17) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Here is a comment from Wesley on this: (John Wesley)(...1 Peter 4:17The time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God - God first visits his church, and that both in justice and mercy. What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel - How terribly will he visit them! ...)So here it is talking about the judgment of the church, and the judgment of the world, that is them that obey not the gospel.We know that the world will receive severe judgment from God, but also we know that some form of judgment begins also in the house of God, So the context here is on judgment.But now we get to our next verse:1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? So 1 Peter 4:17 speaks of judgment beginning in the house of God, then verse 18, speaks of the word saved.Verse 17, speaks of judgment happening in the house of God, in some form, and much more severe judgment that will come upon the unbelieving world.But concerning verse 18, it is doing a type of comparison that if the righteous scarcely be saved, were shall the ungodly and sinner appear ?But in what way is it saying this?Is it saying that because of what the believer goes through, such as persecution and so on, they get saved or into the kingdom of Heaven, through difficulties, so if believers get in through hardships and difficulties, then were shall the ungodly and sinner appear?Well we know that unrepentant sinners and the ungodly will be going to hell, and appear in hell.So is the righteous being scarcely saved , referring to believers getting saved through difficulties ? or is it referring to "if" the righteous scarcely being saved, to getting in by fire?1Co 3:11-15(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Now this is talking about the foundation that we build on, being Christ Jesus.
And at the judgment seat of Christ, some believer's will get great rewards and some will suffer loss, but it will depend upon how well they built upon the only foundation, which is Christ.
The one's that suffer loss yet just get saved but as by fire, are they who just got into the kingdom, you would say by the skin of their teeth.
Now let us get back to our scripture:
1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?The word scarcely means this:(Strong's concordance)
(G3433 μόλις molis mol'-is Probably by a variation for G3425; with difficulty: - hardly, scarce (-ly), + with much work. Total KJV occurrences: 6)
I see 2 key words here, the words difficulty, and hardly. Difficulty obviously means through hardships such as persecutions, temptations, mockeries and so forth. And yes Christians go through these things. Yet when I think of the word hardly, I think of just making it in. I want to discuss this to at least try to come to the true meaning of this scripture. So let us go back to our scripture: 1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?So it is either meaning that the righteous get saved through difficulties, because of hardships and so forth, and therefore if we get saved through hardships, then where shall the ungodly appear who are not saved? Well in the end they receive God's ultimate judgment, and go to hell. So it is either referring to that, or to a question that "if" the righteous, "if" the righteous, be scarcely saved, were shall the ungodly and sinner appear, That is, if one's who proclaim to be believer's are just making it in as of by fire, and have not built wisely upon the foundation, what chance shall the ungodly and sinner have of appearing before God, when not much of a good witness was presented to them? When revival breaks forth, the ungodly have much more of a chance of getting saved, because they are seeing Christ in a person, and an example oft his is found in the book of Acts: Act 2:41 (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
If this witness would not have been shown, how many of these 3 thousand would have gotten saved? Who knows, but a good witness does matter. And that is one of the reasons why judgment must first happen in the church of God, so we come out as gold, and have a good testimony of Christ. So I can totally see how one can come to either conclusion. Look at what it take to be saved. First, we needed a Savior, Jesus Christ, to go to the cross, and die for our sins. He had to rise from the dead. We must believe in that Savior. We must repent of our sins, and accept that Savior as our Lord. We must get in the race and begin to follow Jesus, and be His disciple. We must deal with hardships and temptations all of our life, and endure till the end. Jesus said that straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth to life, and few there be that find it. It therefore stands to reason that the righteous are scarcely saved.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2021 15:16:54 GMT -5
Just want to let people know who aren't aware...that there are other vaccines being worked on besides the ones currently approved and being used in the west. Please check to confirm but I have read that one called Novavax (being developed in USA) is made entirely without cell lines from aborted fetuses, as well as it is not mRNA technology. So some people might be more comfortable with that vaccine or other ones in the works....I believe at this point they are waiting for government health agency approval in Canada and USA. Might be worth considering. And now another strain is coming along (Omicron) that the experts are unsure how effective the current vaxes will be against it. Novavax is already working to tweek their vaccine accordingly. And just to add, I believe unvaccinated folks especially should exercise caution and use masks and socially distance when appropriate....just use common sense since we are not to put God to the test. If they were going to make any vaccine, they should have done it through traditional means to begin with. People are being experimented on with the current vaccinations. My brother is very sick right now with covid19. He had the vaccine. The vaccine itself made him very sick. I have not been vaccinated. I have had the usual viruses and bugs that I get every year, but not covid19. The vaccines often times have dangerous side effects, and they do not stop people from getting the virus. There is something sinister surrounding the vaccines, which were only approved by the FDA for emergency usage. It was never approved as being safe, like they do after years of exhaustive testing.
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Post by John on Dec 4, 2021 15:21:06 GMT -5
Okay, I'm sorry, scratch that about Novavax...I must have read an article that was inaccurate, so much for my research skills....just found another site that lists all the vaccines that use fetal cell lines and unfortunately Novavax uses them in the third stage of testing, after all. Sad. If anyone finds information about a vax being produced without the use of fetal cell lines at all, I hope they will post it for the benefit of those who have an ethical problem with that. I appreciate that you are doing this research, and the use of fetal cells is a big part of the problem, but not all of it. Can we ever trust any vaccine they put out after the way they have misrepresented the current ones? I have never been one to run out and get the annual flu shot. Many do get it. At least that is a traditional type of vaccine. I have no moral problem with flu shots, but never believed they were worthwhile, but that is a personal decision. There is something demonic about the shots for covid19.
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Post by watchful on Dec 5, 2021 7:07:30 GMT -5
Greetings brother. I don't consider this issue something to break fellowship over, and if we find we've been mistaken we can just change our minds. Well the bible says the things of God are spiritually discerned, so it is with the spirit we understand, with the help of the Holy Spirit. I don't know why anyone would think it is strange to say so, and encourage others to seek spiritual understanding. 1Co 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I've just been doing what the bible says to do with regard to testing all things, and encouraging others to test and re-examine this too. To my knowledge not many have stopped to actually test this concept of a future millennial reign. All the new testament scriptures point clearly to the judgment and end of this world, and new heavens/earth being at the coming of Christ, no mention or room for a future millennial reign. But when we get to the book of Revelation, only then does that start to become murky....but only because our current understanding of Revelation doesn't mesh with all that was written before it. I don't like labels, but there are "preterists" and "partial preterists" around, I'm sure you must have run into some along the way. (I'm still a work in progress on this, plodding slowly along, but I would probably be called a partial preterist in how I'm looking at these things at the moment.) I've heard some mention that the church in times past (until John Darby) did not hold to a future millennial reign doctrine, but I'm not a researcher, too old and worn out to start now, but others might be better situated to look into it. I was referring to how you said that your view would only seem strange to the modern church. That is not true. It would be strange to the church at any time. There is nothing close to your beliefs in the Bible, and I have also read a great deal of writings of the early church, and have seen nothing like it in any of those writings either. I have not seen anyone teaching that we are already in the Millennial Reign of Christ. I have not found any modern day teachers saying that either. You have stated that this is your belief, not based on the teachings of anyone else, but what God showed to you. That makes it a private interpretation. I have no problem with anyone allowing God's Spirit to teach them. I do that, and so do others, and none that I know of believe we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today. That means that you are the only one saying that God taught you this doctrine. It is of private interpretation.
The prevailing view in the vast majority of the modern day church is that the "thousand year" reign is after Christ's coming, so that's why we don't hear of many who are saying His reign is in this present age of grace. But as I said there are others who are called preterists or partial preterists who believe Jesus is ruling and reigning now. Private interpretation just means one's own interpretation. When the Spirit of the Lord reveals the meaning of something, then that is not a private interpretation. But always keeping in mind we only know in part and that we are to test all things. For example here is a wonderful scripture the Lord opened my eyes to, and then subsequently I saw someone else who understands it the same as I now do by the grace of God. It becomes quite plain once we lay aside our belief in a future reign of Christ Jesus long enough to see. This passage in itself completely disproves the idea of a future millennial reign: 1Co 15:22-16
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign (now), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (which is completed with finality at His coming) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (at the resurrection, which is the context of these verses, which is at the coming of Christ, which is the end) For he hath put all things under his feet (meaning Jesus is ruling and reigning, ie, now) But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (Jesus returns the kingdom to the Father, so the Son is no longer ruling & reigning after the end of this age) Jesus Himself said this about the end: Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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Post by frienduff on Dec 5, 2021 15:52:36 GMT -5
Greetings brother. I don't consider this issue something to break fellowship over, and if we find we've been mistaken we can just change our minds. Well the bible says the things of God are spiritually discerned, so it is with the spirit we understand, with the help of the Holy Spirit. I don't know why anyone would think it is strange to say so, and encourage others to seek spiritual understanding. 1Co 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I've just been doing what the bible says to do with regard to testing all things, and encouraging others to test and re-examine this too. To my knowledge not many have stopped to actually test this concept of a future millennial reign. All the new testament scriptures point clearly to the judgment and end of this world, and new heavens/earth being at the coming of Christ, no mention or room for a future millennial reign. But when we get to the book of Revelation, only then does that start to become murky....but only because our current understanding of Revelation doesn't mesh with all that was written before it. I don't like labels, but there are "preterists" and "partial preterists" around, I'm sure you must have run into some along the way. (I'm still a work in progress on this, plodding slowly along, but I would probably be called a partial preterist in how I'm looking at these things at the moment.) I've heard some mention that the church in times past (until John Darby) did not hold to a future millennial reign doctrine, but I'm not a researcher, too old and worn out to start now, but others might be better situated to look into it. I was referring to how you said that your view would only seem strange to the modern church. That is not true. It would be strange to the church at any time. There is nothing close to your beliefs in the Bible, and I have also read a great deal of writings of the early church, and have seen nothing like it in any of those writings either. I have not seen anyone teaching that we are already in the Millennial Reign of Christ. I have not found any modern day teachers saying that either. You have stated that this is your belief, not based on the teachings of anyone else, but what God showed to you. That makes it a private interpretation. I have no problem with anyone allowing God's Spirit to teach them. I do that, and so do others, and none that I know of believe we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today. That means that you are the only one saying that God taught you this doctrine. It is of private interpretation.
o preterists teach this and so does new age . BEWARE THEM BOTH . If we read revelation and the writing also of the apostels , We would KNOW the THOUSAND YEARS was and is A FUTURE EVENT THEY ALL KNEW IT . We must simply press onward in Christ .
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Post by frienduff on Dec 5, 2021 15:54:45 GMT -5
Okay, I'm sorry, scratch that about Novavax...I must have read an article that was inaccurate, so much for my research skills....just found another site that lists all the vaccines that use fetal cell lines and unfortunately Novavax uses them in the third stage of testing, after all. Sad. If anyone finds information about a vax being produced without the use of fetal cell lines at all, I hope they will post it for the benefit of those who have an ethical problem with that. I appreciate that you are doing this research, and the use of fetal cells is a big part of the problem, but not all of it. Can we ever trust any vaccine they put out after the way they have misrepresented the current ones? I have never been one to run out and get the annual flu shot. Many do get it. At least that is a traditional type of vaccine. I have no moral problem with flu shots, but never believed they were worthwhile, but that is a personal decision. There is something demonic about the shots for covid19.
THIS IS THE WAY that even the flu shot will go . ITS ALL ABOUT MRNA NOW . THE GENOME ALERTING MEDICINE . THIS IS SOMETHING I SIMPLY WILL NOT PARTAKE OF AT ALL . GOD made me , I dont need any medicine that will alter MY GENOME . Something is all wrong about this .
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Post by Giller on Dec 6, 2021 19:15:53 GMT -5
1Pe 4:17 (17) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Here is a comment from Wesley on this: (John Wesley)(...1 Peter 4:17The time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God - God first visits his church, and that both in justice and mercy. What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel - How terribly will he visit them! ...)So here it is talking about the judgment of the church, and the judgment of the world, that is them that obey not the gospel.We know that the world will receive severe judgment from God, but also we know that some form of judgment begins also in the house of God, So the context here is on judgment.But now we get to our next verse:1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? So 1 Peter 4:17 speaks of judgment beginning in the house of God, then verse 18, speaks of the word saved.Verse 17, speaks of judgment happening in the house of God, in some form, and much more severe judgment that will come upon the unbelieving world.But concerning verse 18, it is doing a type of comparison that if the righteous scarcely be saved, were shall the ungodly and sinner appear ?But in what way is it saying this?Is it saying that because of what the believer goes through, such as persecution and so on, they get saved or into the kingdom of Heaven, through difficulties, so if believers get in through hardships and difficulties, then were shall the ungodly and sinner appear?Well we know that unrepentant sinners and the ungodly will be going to hell, and appear in hell.So is the righteous being scarcely saved , referring to believers getting saved through difficulties ? or is it referring to "if" the righteous scarcely being saved, to getting in by fire?1Co 3:11-15(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Now this is talking about the foundation that we build on, being Christ Jesus.
And at the judgment seat of Christ, some believer's will get great rewards and some will suffer loss, but it will depend upon how well they built upon the only foundation, which is Christ.
The one's that suffer loss yet just get saved but as by fire, are they who just got into the kingdom, you would say by the skin of their teeth.
Now let us get back to our scripture:
1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?The word scarcely means this:(Strong's concordance)
(G3433 μόλις molis mol'-is Probably by a variation for G3425; with difficulty: - hardly, scarce (-ly), + with much work. Total KJV occurrences: 6)
I see 2 key words here, the words difficulty, and hardly. Difficulty obviously means through hardships such as persecutions, temptations, mockeries and so forth. And yes Christians go through these things. Yet when I think of the word hardly, I think of just making it in. I want to discuss this to at least try to come to the true meaning of this scripture. So let us go back to our scripture: 1Pe 4:18(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?So it is either meaning that the righteous get saved through difficulties, because of hardships and so forth, and therefore if we get saved through hardships, then where shall the ungodly appear who are not saved? Well in the end they receive God's ultimate judgment, and go to hell. So it is either referring to that, or to a question that "if" the righteous, "if" the righteous, be scarcely saved, were shall the ungodly and sinner appear, That is, if one's who proclaim to be believer's are just making it in as of by fire, and have not built wisely upon the foundation, what chance shall the ungodly and sinner have of appearing before God, when not much of a good witness was presented to them? When revival breaks forth, the ungodly have much more of a chance of getting saved, because they are seeing Christ in a person, and an example oft his is found in the book of Acts: Act 2:41 (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
If this witness would not have been shown, how many of these 3 thousand would have gotten saved? Who knows, but a good witness does matter. And that is one of the reasons why judgment must first happen in the church of God, so we come out as gold, and have a good testimony of Christ. So I can totally see how one can come to either conclusion. Look at what it take to be saved. First, we needed a Savior, Jesus Christ, to go to the cross, and die for our sins. He had to rise from the dead. We must believe in that Savior. We must repent of our sins, and accept that Savior as our Lord. We must get in the race and begin to follow Jesus, and be His disciple. We must deal with hardships and temptations all of our life, and endure till the end. Jesus said that straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth to life, and few there be that find it. It therefore stands to reason that the righteous are scarcely saved.
No doubt it took the death of Christ at the cross for salvation to come, and we do go through things even many things, and yes narrow is the way, God bless.
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Post by John on Dec 6, 2021 19:33:52 GMT -5
I was referring to how you said that your view would only seem strange to the modern church. That is not true. It would be strange to the church at any time. There is nothing close to your beliefs in the Bible, and I have also read a great deal of writings of the early church, and have seen nothing like it in any of those writings either. I have not seen anyone teaching that we are already in the Millennial Reign of Christ. I have not found any modern day teachers saying that either. You have stated that this is your belief, not based on the teachings of anyone else, but what God showed to you. That makes it a private interpretation. I have no problem with anyone allowing God's Spirit to teach them. I do that, and so do others, and none that I know of believe we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today. That means that you are the only one saying that God taught you this doctrine. It is of private interpretation.
The prevailing view in the vast majority of the modern day church is that the "thousand year" reign is after Christ's coming, so that's why we don't hear of many who are saying His reign is in this present age of grace. But as I said there are others who are called preterists or partial preterists who believe Jesus is ruling and reigning now. Private interpretation just means one's own interpretation. When the Spirit of the Lord reveals the meaning of something, then that is not a private interpretation. But always keeping in mind we only know in part and that we are to test all things. For example here is a wonderful scripture the Lord opened my eyes to, and then subsequently I saw someone else who understands it the same as I now do by the grace of God. It becomes quite plain once we lay aside our belief in a future reign of Christ Jesus long enough to see. This passage in itself completely disproves the idea of a future millennial reign: 1Co 15:22-16
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign (now), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (which is completed with finality at His coming) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (at the resurrection, which is the context of these verses, which is at the coming of Christ, which is the end) For he hath put all things under his feet (meaning Jesus is ruling and reigning, ie, now) But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (Jesus returns the kingdom to the Father, so the Son is no longer ruling & reigning after the end of this age) Jesus Himself said this about the end: Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Do you know any preterists or partial preterists? Are there some you are listening to? Is that what you are? You said that this is just something God revealed to you, but you know of these religious groups that believe we are in the millennial reign today. I was not aware of them or that they believe that way. Were there particular teachers or preachers that are preterist or partial preterist that influenced your thinking? If so, I would like to listen to one of them, because it might help me at least half way understand how they came to this belief? Right now, I cannot even comprehend how anyone can get that out of anything in the Bible.
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Post by John on Dec 6, 2021 19:38:51 GMT -5
I was referring to how you said that your view would only seem strange to the modern church. That is not true. It would be strange to the church at any time. There is nothing close to your beliefs in the Bible, and I have also read a great deal of writings of the early church, and have seen nothing like it in any of those writings either. I have not seen anyone teaching that we are already in the Millennial Reign of Christ. I have not found any modern day teachers saying that either. You have stated that this is your belief, not based on the teachings of anyone else, but what God showed to you. That makes it a private interpretation. I have no problem with anyone allowing God's Spirit to teach them. I do that, and so do others, and none that I know of believe we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today. That means that you are the only one saying that God taught you this doctrine. It is of private interpretation.
o preterists teach this and so does new age . BEWARE THEM BOTH . If we read revelation and the writing also of the apostels , We would KNOW the THOUSAND YEARS was and is A FUTURE EVENT THEY ALL KNEW IT . We must simply press onward in Christ . That is how I feel. If we are to believe we have been in the Millennial reign since the time of the early church, Millennial loses it's meaning. We have greatly exceeded 1000 years. When I look at the state of the world, it is hard to believe the devil has been bound in the bottomless pit all this time! Where do we see all the nations recognizing Jesus Christ as King? Where do we see anything even remotely resembling what the Bible describes during that time, and what about it being a time of peace? Look at all the wars we saw in the 20th century alone! I cannot wrap my mind around it. I am more apt to believe in a flat earth than that we are in the Millennial Reign of Christ today, but I am willing to give one of their speakers a fair hearing to explain this.
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Post by John on Dec 6, 2021 19:42:31 GMT -5
I appreciate that you are doing this research, and the use of fetal cells is a big part of the problem, but not all of it. Can we ever trust any vaccine they put out after the way they have misrepresented the current ones? I have never been one to run out and get the annual flu shot. Many do get it. At least that is a traditional type of vaccine. I have no moral problem with flu shots, but never believed they were worthwhile, but that is a personal decision. There is something demonic about the shots for covid19.
THIS IS THE WAY that even the flu shot will go . ITS ALL ABOUT MRNA NOW . THE GENOME ALERTING MEDICINE . THIS IS SOMETHING I SIMPLY WILL NOT PARTAKE OF AT ALL . GOD made me , I dont need any medicine that will alter MY GENOME . Something is all wrong about this .
I never get the flu shot, but neither have I had any great fear of it. The flu shot works like all normal vaccines. I can see them changing that. If they continue to battle resistance to the technology they are trying to force on us, I could see them putting it in other vaccines. We are in a dangerous time, where we cannot trust the medical community to be working for our good. They have an agenda.
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Post by John on Dec 6, 2021 19:59:42 GMT -5
I am going through the Bible, and was in the Book of John today. I saw a few things I thought were interesting that I had not fully seen before, and here is one of them. If you have been a regular here at Narrow Way Forums or part of Les's Forum, "Friends of Jesus," you are likely very familiar with John 15:14. I have brought this verse up a lot, and Les uses it as his forum name and has the verse in his signature. Outside of these forums, it is largely ignored. Nevertheless, what stood out to me today was how verse 13 and 14 go together.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Have you ever really stopped to consider what Jesus is saying here? We already came to find out that if you want to be a friend of Jesus, you must "do whatsoever" he commands you to do. If you are not obeying His teachings, you are not His friend. Now, notice verse 13. This is not just a generalization. What man laid down His life? We know that over the history of the world, some have dared to die for others, but when I saw this today, I realized that in this context, Jesus was speaking of himself. Jesus was planning to go to the cross and give His life for His friends. Who are His friends? Those who do whatsoever He commands us. There are a lot of other things I noticed this trip through the gospels I had not seen in the past, but that alone is something to ponder. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was sufficient to save the entire world, but most will not be saved because of choices they make. Obedience to Jesus is not optional to be His disciple, and discipleship is not optional to make it to Heaven. This should be a wake-up call for the lukewarm and backslid church.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Dec 6, 2021 21:15:26 GMT -5
Just wanted to share something good.
I heard a clear presentation of the gospel in a tv commercial for HGTV on demand. I was watching lakefront bargain hunt when it came on.
It definitely was a pleasant surprise.
They had a number you could call if you prayed the salvation prayer. I think it was the Billy Graham Association.
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Post by 4hizglory37 on Dec 7, 2021 1:07:49 GMT -5
STEW PETERS WITH KAREN KINGSTON - FORMER PFIZER EMPLOYEE CONFIRMS POISON IN COVID 'KILL SHOT'
Please watch this very very informative video.... Wow... I am still stunned. Listen very carefully. My nurse friend saw it and was pretty horrified.
Also, watch this one.... the MOB will be the "cure" for the j@b!
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