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Post by tabitha3319 on May 30, 2020 10:27:35 GMT -5
Pastor John informed me the biblical Sabbath is on Saturday. He says this often.
Happy Sabbath, everyone.
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Post by John on May 31, 2020 4:59:49 GMT -5
Pastor John informed me the biblical Sabbath is on Saturday. He says this often. Happy Sabbath, everyone. As far as the calendar goes, and the Law of Moses, that is correct. It is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. A lot of people think that Sunday is now the Sabbath, where the Bible never says that. The Christian Sabbath is the rest we enter into when we cease from our labor (sins) and trust in Christ. I will let the Apostle Paul go into that further.
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Post by Apostle's Instructions on May 31, 2020 5:06:57 GMT -5
LET us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:1-11
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Post by tabitha3319 on May 31, 2020 5:24:46 GMT -5
So resting can be physical, mental, spiritual? Or any of that?
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Post by John on May 31, 2020 5:30:34 GMT -5
So resting can be physical, mental, spiritual? Or any of that? Yes. We had a very long thread on this topic a while back where we tried to settle the matter once and for all, and we never did come to any definite conclusions about the need to rest physically on a particular day of the week. Even as I read the text this morning, I am not 100 percent certain. It is something I really want to look into further though, because it is important to do what is pleasing in the sight of God. The one thing I do know beyond a doubt is that the true rest is more than resting on Saturday or Sunday. I will look for that other thread, and we can try to tackle this again.
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Post by John on May 31, 2020 18:35:31 GMT -5
LET us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:1-11 I have been meaning to get back to this topic. If I only take into account the text here in Hebrews, I would come to the conclusion that we should cease from work on the seventh day, which runs from Friday night at 6 PM to Saturday night at 6 PM. There is far more to the Sabbath than resting on the seventh day. There is the spiritual aspect of entering into the Lord's rest through faith. Simply resting on the seventh day would do nothing for you without faith in Christ, just like keeping the law and doing good works does you no good outside of faith in Christ.
Here is where the controversy comes in. Paul says in Colossians 2:16-17...
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Then there is Galatians 4:10-11...
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
So here is the question that needs to be answered. What are the "holy days, new moons and sabbath days," that Paul is speaking of? Is he speaking of something actually in the law of Moses, or is he speaking of traditions that the Jews kept? When it speaks of "sabbath days," is that the same as the "Sabbath Day?" Are we mixing up a commandment of God with traditions of men, and is that causing the confusion? Remember that God hallowed the Sabbath Day before the law of Moses was even given. Are we sinning through ignorance?
At this point, I am not prepared to take a definite position on the matter, but neither do I think it is something to just ignore and hope that all will be well when we meet the Lord. If God wants us to cease from physical labor on the seventh day, then most of us have something to repent of, and to change on. If on the other hand, this matters not at all to New Testament believers, then well, but we need to get this settled. It has been an ongoing controversy as long as I can remember. It would definitely effect me if I had to cease from all work on the seventh day, but turning a blind eye to it would not be acceptable to God. I need to seek the truth, and be prepared to take action if I find out I have been wrong all these years.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 31, 2020 18:58:35 GMT -5
LET us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:1-11 ...If on the other hand, this matters not at all to New Testament believers, then well, but we need to get this settled... It is already explained in the letter the Apostles sent to the gentile believers.
❝Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.❞ - Acts 15:19-20
And finally...
❝Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words,
unsettling your souls, saying,
“You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment —
it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well...❞ - Acts 15:24-29
Blessings!
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Post by John on May 31, 2020 19:24:40 GMT -5
...If on the other hand, this matters not at all to New Testament believers, then well, but we need to get this settled... It is already explained in the letter the Apostles sent to the gentile believers.
❝Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.❞ - Acts 15:19-20
And finally...
❝Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words,
unsettling your souls, saying,
“You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment —
it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well...❞ - Acts 15:24-29
Blessings! I am not sure it is as simple as that. I wish that it was. Clearly, the Apostles were not saying that these handful of necessary things were all the gentiles needed to be concerned about. Look at what is in the list and what is not? You see not eating blood and things strangled, but not murder and theft. To see what was going on, you have to look at what they were addressing. If you go back to Acts 15:1, it says...
AND certain men which came down form Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
That was what started the contention. This was dealing with a law that showed a separation between the Jews and Gentiles. The symbolism changed when the gospel was preached to the gentiles, and that which had been common and unclean was now cleansed by God. The reason why this sabbath issue is still in question to me is because God hallowed it before the law of Moses was given, and I am not sure that Paul was speaking of the seventh day when he spoke of holy days and sabbaths. He may well have been, but I am not certain. It would be simpler for all, including me, if we had no concern with resting on the seventh day, so it is not like I am rooting for that to be the case, but I never felt like we ever came to any definite conclusion over this controversy. I do thank you for your input. We should consider that passage in Acts.
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Post by 2fw8212a on May 31, 2020 19:56:09 GMT -5
It is already explained in the letter the Apostles sent to the gentile believers.
❝Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.❞ - Acts 15:19-20
And finally...
❝Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words,
unsettling your souls, saying,
“You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment —
it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,
and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well...❞ - Acts 15:24-29
Blessings! I am not sure it is as simple as that...
But it is.
❝...if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.❞ - Galatians 5:18
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Post by tabitha3319 on Jun 1, 2020 2:19:41 GMT -5
I think Jesus was trying to sat the Sabbath is a gift for us.
It shouldn't be burdensome.
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