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Post by ohhello on Sept 11, 2020 2:33:37 GMT -5
frienduffI don’t know what pain medication he gave you, but I am guessing it is an opium. You need to get off the medication quickly, or you will become addicted to it. Your doctor was thinking about the strongest medication to kill your pain, but maybe did not take into account the side affects that you may experience. By the way you described how you are feeling, that is not good and please don’t drive when you feel like that. We will all pray for you brother. You will be fine. The Lord will pull you through it.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 5:57:50 GMT -5
all these axamples are to those who are in a position to know better, not the new lambs of the flock. In general I would think that the Lord directs rebukes and dire warnings like that at those who need it, rather than for those who don't need it and are running a good race.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 6:09:19 GMT -5
I feel like this is a different subject from the thread it was in, but important, especially given the real Bible examples frienduff brings. We need to look at this, because today's church rarely operates this way,
So true that there are huge segments of the church neglecting the fear of the Lord, and it surely does need to be a part of what is preached and taught, as long as it is meted out judiciously, the same as the concepts of grace and liberty needs to be meted out. A constant steady diet of a message of fear that neglects grace would be just as bad as a hyper-grace message that neglects fear, only in the opposite direction. I think in general we always need a well rounded balance of everything that the bible teaches concerning both grace and fear. And that way the Lord can then minister to each soul what they need to glean personally as well as keeping general reminders in mind for everyone, of everything. I don't know if I'm expressing it very well, but that's the gist of how I am understanding it.
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2020 6:16:34 GMT -5
all these axamples are to those who are in a position to know better, not the new lambs of the flock. In general I would think that the Lord directs rebukes and dire warnings like that at those who need it, rather than for those who don't need it and are running a good race. That is a good point. Why rebuke those who are already living right? One thing we all need to remember is that we have no idea who is reading what is being posted, so those warnings might be speaking to them. Also, we do not know what we will face from one day to the next, and those reminders might prevent us from stumbling in a week, a month, perhaps a year or more down the road. Rebukes are not for those following the Lord faithfully ever, but warnings and reminders are.
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Post by John on Sept 11, 2020 6:27:51 GMT -5
I feel like this is a different subject from the thread it was in, but important, especially given the real Bible examples frienduff brings. We need to look at this, because today's church rarely operates this way,
So true that there are huge segments of the church neglecting the fear of the Lord, and it surely does need to be a part of what is preached and taught, as long as it is meted out judiciously, the same as the concepts of grace and liberty needs to be meted out. A constant steady diet of a message of fear that neglects grace would be just as bad as a hyper-grace message that neglects fear, only in the opposite direction. I think in general we always need a well rounded balance of everything that the bible teaches concerning both grace and fear. And that way the Lord can then minister to each soul what they need to glean personally as well as keeping general reminders in mind for everyone, of everything. I don't know if I'm expressing it very well, but that's the gist of how I am understanding it. I do not disagree with you about the need for a well rounded message, but that is where the body works together. Frienduff has a specific way God uses him. He is used to give warnings and to promote fear of God. That is his part in the body, and it is needed. Rather than get upset with him that he is not balanced, others with a different ministry, whose emphasis is different, should work within the same congregation to share their part. If all did that, we would have balance, but you cannot criticize the hand for not being a foot, or an eye for not being an ear.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 6:38:25 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Frienduff is a softie compared to my dad. In the house I grew up in, Elijah and Jeremiah were the primary role models. Everything we did was wicked. Every complaint we made was witchcraft because rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. My dad made us skip dinner if our chores weren't done because "those who don't work can't eat." Out of 9 of us kids, there are 2 who serve Jesus. Bless you sister, oh my, I can sympathize. I grew up with a steady diet of fear and anxiety and started working on an ulcer in childhood. There was such a terrible dearth of love, affection and affirmation in our family with a constant threat of dire consequences hanging over our heads as children, so I learned very early to try harder than I should to be "good", but never able to be good enough as far as anyone ever let me know, heh. Maybe that's why when I came to faith in the Lord there was no thought of hell or punishment, it was just for the sake of truth and what is right and good. And when the Lord revealed Himself to me...well God is love and that is what I felt, His love. I hardly stopped sobbing for a week afterward. I loved Him because He first loved me and so that is my foundation. Fear of the Lord is something that is mostly in the background for me, or it comes to the forefront at specific times when I particularly need it, like once when I was under a serious temptation, and another time time when I had slipped into a bondage with home decorating. Fear is there as it needs to be, but just that it is not my foundation. Maybe one could say I aim to be full of grace and only salted with fear. There have been times I have had to fight through fear and condemnation to even be able to come to Him for the grace and help I was needing. But oh the Lord is so good, because you know what though, He started working all these things together for our good very early on, there are not many believers who have not been touched with such things, and that is because if we hadn't been hurt and wounded in different ways most of us would never have been able to receive Jesus. And this makes it easier for us to forgive our parents too, also because we understand first hand how they themselves were a product of their earlier lives, and Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 6:44:08 GMT -5
So true that there are huge segments of the church neglecting the fear of the Lord, and it surely does need to be a part of what is preached and taught, as long as it is meted out judiciously, the same as the concepts of grace and liberty needs to be meted out. A constant steady diet of a message of fear that neglects grace would be just as bad as a hyper-grace message that neglects fear, only in the opposite direction. I think in general we always need a well rounded balance of everything that the bible teaches concerning both grace and fear. And that way the Lord can then minister to each soul what they need to glean personally as well as keeping general reminders in mind for everyone, of everything. I don't know if I'm expressing it very well, but that's the gist of how I am understanding it. I do not disagree with you about the need for a well rounded message, but that is where the body works together. Frienduff has a specific way God uses him. He is used to give warnings and to promote fear of God. That is his part in the body, and it is needed. Rather than get upset with him that he is not balanced, others with a different ministry, whose emphasis is different, should work within the same congregation to share their part. If all did that, we would have balance, but you cannot criticize the hand for not being a foot, or an eye for not being an ear.
Brother, amen, there are different parts of the Body. As long as it's understood that I'm not directing my comments at anyone in particular or criticizing anyone. Just discussing and trying to give my take on the topic at hand is all, and hoping to arrive at the truth with these things. As for frienduff, I just want to say I dont' think I've ever met someone more Christlike in his dealings with people, he has received a beautiful gift there, that I can only aspire to.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 6:55:27 GMT -5
Let us all pray for Frienduff. He seems to be under some kind of strain, and I am worried about him. John . I need to pm you all . I cant believe i wrote some of what i did . But i checked up on something . I will pm you all . I am flat out ceasing that medicine they gave me . Its no good at all. I kept wondering what on earth is going on. My mind is just not the same at all . Its almost like having halluciantions or something . Its a med for muscle relaxation for the neck . But i just looked up the side effects . I knew something was off . Cause even yesterday when i would write some stuff and later would reread it , i was like why on earth was i seeing it like that . Its weird to explain . But i am ceasing it . I am so sorry i was behaving like that . Even now it feels like i am in a dream . And its been some time since i took one . Yall i am so sorry . I am going back to the old meds i was on originally . This stuff is just odd as can be . Frienduff you are loved. I wonder if magnesium would help...it can help with relaxation and sometimes people can be deficient in it. It might be worth a try. Applying hot towels and a medicinal rub/ointment in the evening when you are on the computer...? though I know that might not be ideal with your climate.
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2020 8:34:55 GMT -5
frienduff I don’t know what pain medication he gave you, but I am guessing it is an opium. You need to get off the medication quickly, or you will become addicted to it. Your doctor was thinking about the strongest medication to kill your pain, but maybe did not take into account the side affects that you may experience. By the way you described how you are feeling, that is not good and please don’t drive when you feel like that. We will all pray for you brother. You will be fine. The Lord will pull you through it. Well i feel absolutely wonderful this morning . Clear headed and ready to praise the HOLY LORD . For sure sister i will take only one pill at night and it will be the old prescription . But i find , praise the LORD that i need it far less . Plus i been eating at least one clove of garlic three times a day . And some tumeric for inflamation and pain . And it seems to work . So praise the LORD . Now , i have three words for all , PRAISE THE LORD . Yes indeed . PRAISE the HOLY LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2020 8:36:53 GMT -5
John . I need to pm you all . I cant believe i wrote some of what i did . But i checked up on something . I will pm you all . I am flat out ceasing that medicine they gave me . Its no good at all. I kept wondering what on earth is going on. My mind is just not the same at all . Its almost like having halluciantions or something . Its a med for muscle relaxation for the neck . But i just looked up the side effects . I knew something was off . Cause even yesterday when i would write some stuff and later would reread it , i was like why on earth was i seeing it like that . Its weird to explain . But i am ceasing it . I am so sorry i was behaving like that . Even now it feels like i am in a dream . And its been some time since i took one . Yall i am so sorry . I am going back to the old meds i was on originally . This stuff is just odd as can be . Frienduff you are loved. I wonder if magnesium would help...it can help with relaxation and sometimes people can be deficient in it. It might be worth a try. Applying hot towels and a medicinal rub/ointment in the evening when you are on the computer...? though I know that might not be ideal with your climate. There is a medicinal ointment on the way from the va . it seems to me like it is slowly getting better . So praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Sept 11, 2020 8:54:50 GMT -5
Believe it or not, Frienduff is a softie compared to my dad. In the house I grew up in, Elijah and Jeremiah were the primary role models. Everything we did was wicked. Every complaint we made was witchcraft because rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. My dad made us skip dinner if our chores weren't done because "those who don't work can't eat." Out of 9 of us kids, there are 2 who serve Jesus. The way i raised my own son was in a biblical pattern . Did you know i have never once yelled in anger at my son . God always had me calm and i would simply administir a fair punishment for whatever wrong he comitted . We must be grave and sincere , yet at the same time encouraging them . That seems hard to grasp that i never once yelled at Him . But i never have . His mama sure did . My mama could yell at me too , but she wasnt christain . And i notice that often times parents make mistakes . Like some will not set the order in the house or boundaries . So their kids act out . Then finally they get so pent up with anger they exploded on the child . instead of setting boundaries which actually do work . And when the child messes up , just remain calm , be firm and set the punishment to fit the so called crime . When it came to his grades i even set a good system up that did work . He was failing things early on . Course he lived with mama and not me . So when i found out he was failing what i would do was tell him He was grounded for three weeks , and if at the end of those weeks he was passing his classes i would let him off the grounding . But i warned him, that if after those three weeks if he gets a failing mark at the sixth week report card . I was grounding him next time for the entire six weeks . IT worked . well until his own mama would no longer tell me if he was failing . Yeah i guess she got tired of him complaining about my grounding him . Still , what she did was not good . I found out later he even failed overall and was having to take summer shool . Then he actually complained to me about summer school . That was how i found out he had failed . SO i just told him , had you passed you would not be in summer school . I always tried to raise him right . I told him if he ever lies to me about anything then the punishment will always be far worse than if he had just told the truth . The lil bugger believed me . Sadly he would lie to his mama . But not to me . Course when i found out he lied to mama , i would set him straight again . There is a simple way to raise those children . But for sure we must be grave and firm , yet encouraging and rewarding when they do good . I tried to keep it as best i could according to HOW God does towards us . I remember one time i sat him down and asked him IF he believes that HE truly Follows JESUS as HE should . And he said no . Then i reminded him that either we love GOD with all our heart or its false . And that all who dont truly come to Christ will end up in a lake of fire . That it is Gods desire that we do not perish , but that we will if we dont come to CHRIST and HEED HIM . That reminder must have put something into him , cause i found out a bout two weeks later he had been baptized at his grandmothers church . Sadly though it must not have lasted . But i always told him , that he must read the bible for himself . Course , praise the LORD he always saw me reading my bible . Cause sadly his mom and grandparents , while they do go to church and all They live hyprocrisy . And that confused noah . I told him , i used to be the same one and was living a lie and that all we can do is pray for them . I remember over the years witnessing to noahs mama , sisters , grandmother and so forth . But i dont know if it took or not . They all moved away years back .
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Post by bethany on Sept 11, 2020 9:38:04 GMT -5
all these axamples are to those who are in a position to know better, not the new lambs of the flock. In general I would think that the Lord directs rebukes and dire warnings like that at those who need it, rather than for those who don't need it and are running a good race. Yes. By know better, I mean the pharisees and other Jews who had a good grounding of the Law and the Bible. I should have been clearer.
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Post by bethany on Sept 11, 2020 9:39:09 GMT -5
I feel like this is a different subject from the thread it was in, but important, especially given the real Bible examples frienduff brings. We need to look at this, because today's church rarely operates this way,
So true that there are huge segments of the church neglecting the fear of the Lord, and it surely does need to be a part of what is preached and taught, as long as it is meted out judiciously, the same as the concepts of grace and liberty needs to be meted out. A constant steady diet of a message of fear that neglects grace would be just as bad as a hyper-grace message that neglects fear, only in the opposite direction. I think in general we always need a well rounded balance of everything that the bible teaches concerning both grace and fear. And that way the Lord can then minister to each soul what they need to glean personally as well as keeping general reminders in mind for everyone, of everything. I don't know if I'm expressing it very well, but that's the gist of how I am understanding it. Thank you, this is what I was trying, and failing, to express.
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Post by bethany on Sept 11, 2020 9:40:49 GMT -5
In general I would think that the Lord directs rebukes and dire warnings like that at those who need it, rather than for those who don't need it and are running a good race. That is a good point. Why rebuke those who are already living right? One thing we all need to remember is that we have no idea who is reading what is being posted, so those warnings might be speaking to them. Also, we do not know what we will face from one day to the next, and those reminders might prevent us from stumbling in a week, a month, perhaps a year or more down the road. Rebukes are not for those following the Lord faithfully ever, but warnings and reminders are.
Yes. By know better, I mean the pharisees and other Jews who had a good grounding of the Law and the Bible, and ignored it, rebelled against it, and taught others wrongly or badly. I should have been clearer.
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Post by watchful on Sept 11, 2020 9:57:45 GMT -5
So true that there are huge segments of the church neglecting the fear of the Lord, and it surely does need to be a part of what is preached and taught, as long as it is meted out judiciously, the same as the concepts of grace and liberty needs to be meted out. A constant steady diet of a message of fear that neglects grace would be just as bad as a hyper-grace message that neglects fear, only in the opposite direction. I think in general we always need a well rounded balance of everything that the bible teaches concerning both grace and fear. And that way the Lord can then minister to each soul what they need to glean personally as well as keeping general reminders in mind for everyone, of everything. I don't know if I'm expressing it very well, but that's the gist of how I am understanding it. Thank you, this is what I was trying, and failing, to express. I hope it is right but may the Lord correct or tweek it if it needs to be....I have such a hard time trying to understand and then express these things too. Spiritual warfare, I believe.
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