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Post by Cletus on Jun 20, 2018 17:02:55 GMT -5
I do want to add, when the law of the land is take the mark or die... i wont be resisting.
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Post by tlsitd on Jun 20, 2018 18:08:58 GMT -5
I do want to add, when the law of the land is take the mark or die... i wont be resisting. (I do hope you mean that you won't be resisting death, not that you won't be resisting taking the mark.)
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Post by Cletus on Jun 20, 2018 22:14:54 GMT -5
I do want to add, when the law of the land is take the mark or die... i wont be resisting. (I do hope you mean that you won't be resisting death, not that you won't be resisting taking the mark.) I LoLed when i read your reply.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
What i meant precisely was resisting with force. Just like when it was Jesus' hour, He did not resist. Its scary to think what they might do to persuade one to take the mark, but God said He is with us always, even to the end of the age. I believe He is not just going to give us the words to speak, but everything to overcome.
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Post by joseph on May 1, 2019 16:38:51 GMT -5
Doesn't it (Scripture, Yahuweh's Word) say: They will be told to serve the beast, and those who refuse will be executed ? Thus, the true believers who refuse to serve the beast, will be executed.
For those who wonder still about self defense, not understanding the Scripture nor the power there-of,
perhaps reading Foxes Book of Martyrs (used to be available free online at worthychristianlibrary dot com, and might still be) ...
will allow truth to be found ?
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Post by 4hizglory37 on May 2, 2019 16:34:07 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being martyred and standing by and letting someone be tortured, killed, raped...etc...
If I am told that I will be killed if I refuse to worship the beast,ac. and take the MOB.. then I will not resist and would rather die than renounce my faith.
Now if I see some children being tortured, raped, killed, or widows, or anyone who cannot defend themselves, and I have the power to do so, I will do the right thing and defend them and that means if I have to kill them to protect the innocent, I will. Killing and murder are two different things. Murder is premeditated and with vengeance and hate in the heart. To kill, to protect the weak, the innocent, the oppressed, is the right thing to do rather than just stand by and let evil have its way.
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Post by John on May 2, 2019 18:19:35 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being martyred and standing by and letting someone be tortured, killed, raped...etc... If I am told that I will be killed if I refuse to worship the beast,ac. and take the MOB.. then I will not resist and would rather die than renounce my faith. Now if I see some children being tortured, raped, killed, or widows, or anyone who cannot defend themselves, and I have the power to do so, I will do the right thing and defend them and that means if I have to kill them to protect the innocent, I will. Killing and murder are two different things. Murder is premeditated and with vengeance and hate in the heart. To kill, to protect the weak, the innocent, the oppressed, is the right thing to do rather than just stand by and let evil have its way. I don't think it would be wrong to defend myself or others if it were in my power to do so. I would expect some Christians probably will fight back, and some of the servants of the anti-Christ will be killed at the hands of Christians.
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Post by Cletus on May 2, 2019 20:51:07 GMT -5
its my belief, and this part of ones belief has many splits, but when its persecution for faith i do not think we are to offer resistance.
I do not say this to influence anyones belief on this but i do want to give scripture to cite why i believe this.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. this is how we will overcome... as it says in the 7 letters to the churches. they will condemn us falsely, just as Jesus had happen to Him.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
to me this verse isnt so much about striking fear in me to "behave"... but waiting for God to do His thing... trusting Him to avenge/Judge. this war will not end with us in defeat. and this war is not so much self defense. but The Word is a double edged sword and cuts both ways.
who can make war with the beast they will say... and i will think... I know One, capital O.
And I am fully in support of self defense too, I am not a pacifist. not a contentious objector. no offense to one who is. but i do not think offering resistance to this is the way to go. Its hard for me to say what i will do. I do not know what God will have me do, or what He will give me. i already have the boldness of many lions... but honestly, whats coming isnt something one can escape.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations
the context here is war with saints and overcoming them... but 12:11 tells us we can overcome the enemy. By His Blood and testimony. they say renounce Jesus or die... oh no Jesus is my savior... they kill you... Jesus has the keys to the grave and to hell to death. the power of the resurrected Lord lives in us. Power over death. You see, death is not the end... but the beginning of forever and ever for us.
by the blood of The Lamb. Hallelujah.
the day will be here soon.
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Post by Cletus on May 2, 2019 21:02:30 GMT -5
Exo 15:1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. Exo 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
was the following verse just for the time of Constantine?
Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. Isa 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
I think not.
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Post by John on May 2, 2019 21:07:28 GMT -5
its my belief, and this part of ones belief has many splits, but when its persecution for faith i do not think we are to offer resistance. I do not say this to influence anyones belief on this but i do want to give scripture to cite why i believe this. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. this is how we will overcome... as it says in the 7 letters to the churches. they will condemn us falsely, just as Jesus had happen to Him. Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. to me this verse isnt so much about striking fear in me to "behave"... but waiting for God to do His thing... trusting Him to avenge/Judge. this war will not end with us in defeat. and this war is not so much self defense. but The Word is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. who can make war with the beast they will say... and i will think... I know One, capital O. And I am fully in support of self defense too, I am not a pacifist. not a contentious objector. no offense to one who is. but i do not think offering resistance to this is the way to go. Its hard for me to say what i will do. I do not know what God will have me do, or what He will give me. i already have the boldness of many lions... but honestly, whats coming isnt something one can escape. Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations the context here is war with saints and overcoming them... but 12:11 tells us we can overcome the enemy. By His Blood and testimony. they say renounce Jesus or die... oh no Jesus is my savior... they kill you... Jesus has the keys to the grave and to hell to death. the power of the resurrected Lord lives in us. Power over death. You see, death is not the end... but the beginning of forever and ever for us. by the blood of The Lamb. Hallelujah. the day will be here soon. I don't think there is anything wrong with your position, and you may be right, but I would likely take out as many as I could. They might kill me, but they may have some casualties doing it. Still, I understand why you feel as you do, and I have no issue with it. Everyone has to do as they feel is right in the sight of the Lord.
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Post by Cletus on May 2, 2019 21:29:13 GMT -5
its my belief, and this part of ones belief has many splits, but when its persecution for faith i do not think we are to offer resistance. I do not say this to influence anyones belief on this but i do want to give scripture to cite why i believe this. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. this is how we will overcome... as it says in the 7 letters to the churches. they will condemn us falsely, just as Jesus had happen to Him. Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. to me this verse isnt so much about striking fear in me to "behave"... but waiting for God to do His thing... trusting Him to avenge/Judge. this war will not end with us in defeat. and this war is not so much self defense. but The Word is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. who can make war with the beast they will say... and i will think... I know One, capital O. And I am fully in support of self defense too, I am not a pacifist. not a contentious objector. no offense to one who is. but i do not think offering resistance to this is the way to go. Its hard for me to say what i will do. I do not know what God will have me do, or what He will give me. i already have the boldness of many lions... but honestly, whats coming isnt something one can escape. Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations the context here is war with saints and overcoming them... but 12:11 tells us we can overcome the enemy. By His Blood and testimony. they say renounce Jesus or die... oh no Jesus is my savior... they kill you... Jesus has the keys to the grave and to hell to death. the power of the resurrected Lord lives in us. Power over death. You see, death is not the end... but the beginning of forever and ever for us. by the blood of The Lamb. Hallelujah. the day will be here soon. I don't think there is anything wrong with your position, and you may be right, but I would likely take out as many as I could. They might kill me, but they may have some casualties doing it. Still, I understand why you feel as you do, and I have no issue with it. Everyone has to do as they feel is right in the sight of the Lord. I may try to do the same. i do not want to say i will or i wont. but as of now i feel what i have said is Gods leading. i wont tolerate someone being victimized... will not. but think about this... who can make war with the beast? they are going to ask this according to scripture... and when God in the bible gave decree i would deliver so and so into so and so hands... escape was not possible. and in the verse i quoted it was given him... the beast. only God can give this, only He has the authority.
My real plan is to be lead of The Spirit. And this is really what i encourage others to do. do not act out of fear. or what we think or what we see... we live by faith... we do not walk by sight. And The Holy Spirit will give us the words to speak when we are being condemned. but there is therefore... now NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. and the word IN is the key word here... let us be IN Spirit, let us walk IN The Spirit... Let us be IN Christ... let us walk thereIN.
Job said tho He slay me... I will trust Him.
I do not think we will have half a chance in winning. now when the world goes completely upside down... in one hour... there will be some crazyness going on. for that there maybe some self defense needed. I do not think we will have a fighting chance against the beast, not fighting in the sense of arms.
and dont get me wrong here, I would love for it to be battle but i do not think God is going to use bows and chariots here... but by His Spirit i do not find this in scripture where we will wage war like that. if you know where please do let me know, because before i came to this conclusion i was getting prepared, and trust me, i am ready for whatever... over prepared.
the main thing to do when the MOB comes... is be lead of The Spirit.
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Post by Cletus on May 2, 2019 21:35:05 GMT -5
God Is Our Fortress Psa 46:1 To the chief Musician for the sons of Korah, A Song upon Alamoth. God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Psa 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Psa 46:3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah. Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. Psa 46:5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early. Psa 46:6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psa 46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah. Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. Psa 46:9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. Psa 46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
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Post by Sister on May 3, 2019 20:41:54 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being martyred and standing by and letting someone be tortured, killed, raped...etc... If I am told that I will be killed if I refuse to worship the beast,ac. and take the MOB.. then I will not resist and would rather die than renounce my faith. Now if I see some children being tortured, raped, killed, or widows, or anyone who cannot defend themselves, and I have the power to do so, I will do the right thing and defend them and that means if I have to kill them to protect the innocent, I will. Killing and murder are two different things. Murder is premeditated and with vengeance and hate in the heart. To kill, to protect the weak, the innocent, the oppressed, is the right thing to do rather than just stand by and let evil have its way. 4hizglory
This is in our human nature to feel this way. The fact is, when this time comes it is going to be so horrible when we witness atrocities being done by the enemy, many will fall (in doing what they think is right) We are the salt of the earth, and we do not kill full stop. The Lord is our avenger. He is in charge and he knows exactly what's going to happen. Only he can save the innocent for the power is in his hands. This beast and his army is going to be so powerful and our weapon against them is in obeying the laws of the kingdom of God which is what we were called into. This is what Jesus was trying to teach us the whole time. Jesus our example, did not kill others when he was being persecuted, neither did he stop his anointed ones and other followers from being killed, that were meant to be killed, but allowed them to go through it as a testimony to the world that the children of the kingdom are prepared to die for righteousness sake, but leave all the avenging to our Lord.
He will avenge for us, and he will provide us with a little help. Stay under God's shelter. If we are true to him and have the right mindset, he will deliver us from a position such as this. They might just take our kids away, and do everything behind closed doors without us knowing what will happen to them. And from there, if God wants to save certain individuals, he will perform his miracles..... for all is according to his will and in his hands.
If we kill to save them at this time, there might be something else worse waiting for them. Because it's only going to get worse until Christ returns. We can defend them to the best of our ability, but not kill. It's not good to entertain thoughts of killing in any circumstance, but rather pray to not be put in this situation when the time comes.
God bless.
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Post by frienduff on May 4, 2019 19:41:28 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being martyred and standing by and letting someone be tortured, killed, raped...etc... If I am told that I will be killed if I refuse to worship the beast,ac. and take the MOB.. then I will not resist and would rather die than renounce my faith. Now if I see some children being tortured, raped, killed, or widows, or anyone who cannot defend themselves, and I have the power to do so, I will do the right thing and defend them and that means if I have to kill them to protect the innocent, I will. Killing and murder are two different things. Murder is premeditated and with vengeance and hate in the heart. To kill, to protect the weak, the innocent, the oppressed, is the right thing to do rather than just stand by and let evil have its way. 4hizglory
This is in our human nature to feel this way. The fact is, when this time comes it is going to be so horrible when we witness atrocities being done by the enemy, many will fall (in doing what they think is right) We are the salt of the earth, and we do not kill full stop. The Lord is our avenger. He is in charge and he knows exactly what's going to happen. Only he can save the innocent for the power is in his hands. This beast and his army is going to be so powerful and our weapon against them is in obeying the laws of the kingdom of God which is what we were called into. This is what Jesus was trying to teach us the whole time. Jesus our example, did not kill others when he was being persecuted, neither did he stop his anointed ones and other followers from being killed, that were meant to be killed, but allowed them to go through it as a testimony to the world that the children of the kingdom are prepared to die for righteousness sake, but leave all the avenging to our Lord.
He will avenge for us, and he will provide us with a little help. Stay under God's shelter. If we are true to him and have the right mindset, he will deliver us from a position such as this. They might just take our kids away, and do everything behind closed doors without us knowing what will happen to them. And from there, if God wants to save certain individuals, he will perform his miracles..... for all is according to his will and in his hands.
If we kill to save them at this time, there might be something else worse waiting for them. Because it's only going to get worse until Christ returns. We can defend them to the best of our ability, but not kill. It's not good to entertain thoughts of killing in any circumstance, but rather pray to not be put in this situation when the time comes.
God bless.
I GOT the LORD dear sister . WHEN my time is up its up . TILL then if its not up , GOD HIMSELF will defend me , by either hiding me or others . vengeance belongs to GOD . When JESUS was arrested , only ONE tried to defend Him and HE told that one , SHEATH THAT SWORD , HE who lives by it will die by it . WHEN the time has come for us to drink the cup of our LORD , DRINK it and pray ONLY the forgivness of our killers as did Stephen as even did our LORD . My plans are to go out the way I was brought in , FAITHFUL TO JESUS and learning and doing as HE instructed and THE SPIRIT will never contradict HIS WORDS . Now with all that being said , can you believe , some folks in person already believe me to be a dangerous man . Yep its beginning already . ITS BEGINING already . some think me a dangerous man , YET even if my enemies come to kill me , NO self defense , ONLY the prayer that they will be forgiven . NOW HOW dangerous is that . Yet I am telling us all, you all would be shocked to see , some folks who know me THINK I AM ALREADY dangerous . Because I am JESUS ONLY and HIS SAYINGS ONLY . they view it as fundamentalism and they see fundamentalism as dangerous or potentially becoming a danger . THEY been well trained in darkness and cannot see at all. I would not be surprised in the near future if some in even my own family TURN ME IN as they sit singing in their churches . Yall might not have no idea what is beginning , BUT IT IS and its only going to get far worse . BUT THE TRUTH will be sounded , JESUS ONLY saves , HE aint no all inclusive minister of sin . And no other religion or mindset can save .
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Post by frienduff on May 4, 2019 19:44:50 GMT -5
Well, its an honor to both live and die for the LORD . Let us pray that none do enter into temptation . For under this inclusive world , its inclusive religions and even its inclusive christains , WE WILL BE SEEN no less dangerous than a bomb wearing ISIS man . IT cannot be stopped . WE approach that final hour . LET ALL CLING to CHRIST for betryals are coming against the true saints .
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Post by frienduff on May 4, 2019 19:47:56 GMT -5
And how will they determine what they consider friend from foe . WELL only a dangerous man or woman , WOULD not take a mark which can end terrorism . THEY must be hiding something . Think it cant happen . IT sure can . The world is ripe for the beast , his system and our betrayal . and so few see what is and what is coming and instead are going under DELUSION . The lambs at narrow way and all true lambs throughout the world , ARISE and take thy STAND UPON THE ROCK , for the hour of our betrayal like a net is closing in . AND worse , this delusion is sucking all right up into it , more and more . BETTER TO DIE FOR JESUS than to live under a delusion .
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