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Post by tlsitd on Jun 21, 2018 10:52:44 GMT -5
I was just reading Isaiah 58, and I found it to be an apt word for Christianity in this hour, so I thought I would refer it to you all to re-read for yourselves, in whatever translation you may prefer. Just substitute obedience to the commands of the law of Moses, which was what God's people of old had, for His law for His people today---the doctrine of the New Testament---in the reading of this chapter.
Pay attention to the consequences of their disobedience, and to what God promised them for their repentance, and you can see both the cause of Christianity's malady and also its remedy in this word.
(Isaiah 58 relates to what Samuel said to Saul in 1 Samuel 15:22: "To obey is better than sacrifice".)
Some of the consequences of disobedience to God, as described in Isaiah 58:
- "Worship"/religion vain/unacceptable to God (verses 3-7)
- Spiritual darkness (verse 8)---lack of understanding of God's ways and His desires, and all the problems that arise from that ignorance and lack of discernment---as well as a lack of God's guidance (see verse 11 also) and protection
- God doesn't regard their prayers (verse 9---see 1 Peter 3:8-12 for comparison)
- Spiritual insatiety, and a lack of spiritual strength (verse 11)
- No one is capable of rebuilding the ruins of the faith and restoring it to its foundations, or repairing the breaches of the enemy created by disobedience to God's ordinances, which ordinances are the paths that His people are to walk in (verse 12)
- Lack of delight in God and in His commandments because of doing their own will and seeking their own pleasure (verses 13 & 14; compare to David's sentiments about God's law in Psalm 119. (But what sort of man was David, according to God?))
Notice also how the voice of the Lord (through the prophet Isaiah) is like a trumpet (verse 1), and for what purpose. Compare to Revelation 1:10,11. (Five of those seven churches were rebuked by Jesus.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 8:14:02 GMT -5
Amen tlsitd, thanks for an excellent word. It is an accurate mirror of what is happening with the church in our time. Israel of old is the church in type, and we find that the church fits the same pattern (ensample) as Israel. This is one way that there is nothing new under the sun...it has all happened before to Israel. So most of the OT scriptures addressed to Israel are for the Israel of God (church) as well. Except that we obey by faith now, through our willingness and the nature and spirit of Christ in us... and become living sacrifices through our willingness to obey....our reasonable service. And because it is through the faith and strength He has given us, not of our own but by His Spirit that He has put in us, that He is glorified.
In new covenant terms.....as we follow Jesus....like Him we keep obeying unto the death (crucifixion) of our old man (not my will, but thine be done Lord), loving not our lives unto death....it is the death of our soul life/psuche that Jesus is primarily speaking about with that.....and it is as this is happening that we begin to see the resurrection life that we are promised, being progressively unveiled in us through that death, until it is completed and Christ is fully formed in the believer. It's interesting that God gave us a free will....and I believe it is that will which is the seat of the self-rule of our soul, that we are offering up and laying on the altar as it is being brought into 'voluntary' yieldedness and unity with Christ within us, God's will. The Lord is looking for cheerful givers, not under compulsion....free-will offerings, not mandatory.....because free will is the only Way this works and ends up truly reflecting His nature....the reason He gave us that free will to begin with, so that we would be able to reflect His nature, shown to us in that very nature of Christ. Everything the Lord brings/allows into our lives is in order to make us willing, helping to break the grip of self-will and at the same time causing us to learn of and trust in His trustworthiness and love for us and have a healthy fear, by experience.....all working together to help us be willing. How we love His ways, He is so good, and always working out His redemptive purposes even when it hurts.
This is why chastisements are coming for church and nation....like Israel of old, the Lord wounds but He binds up as well, and He is seeking a harvest out of it. The temple of God was built on a threshing floor....and after being taken captive by Babylon, the Lord sets to threshing 'Babylon' (Israel/church) which removes the chaff from the wheat. Babylon is the captive church in type (in one layer of understanding).
Jer 51:33 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.
Isa 21:9-10 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground. O my threshing, and the corn of my floor: that which I have heard of the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, have I declared unto you.
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Post by frienduff on Jun 22, 2018 10:09:49 GMT -5
YES SISTER WATCHFUL . ALL WHO GOD loves HE will chasten and scourge and he does chasten all who are HIS . By grace I came to this mindset of what I say next , long ago. And here is that mindset . READ SLOWLY NOW . WE better KNOW and understand that it is far better to have been corrected BY GOD , chastened BY GOD , Than to have been left to our own destruction . I MEAN , and I am sure you all will agree, IS IT NOT far better for GOD to work on us through whatever HE KNOWS we need, Than to have been abandoned to our own destruction , where our end would be a LAKE OF FIRE . KNOWN unto GOD , is what each one needs , in order to build them up , to burn out things that need to be burned out . And thus , we also better take heed to our selves and unto the doctrine . TAKE HEED and OBEY THE SPIRIT and FEED from that bible . THOUGH many are and will fall away and be damned to perdition , two things . WE all need WHAT GOD KNOWS WE NEED . And some who are lukewarm , will even repent as well. But we are entering the age spoken of in days long gone by . MANY men , many prophets , have longed to see CHRIST return in their lifetime . NOW LOOK AROUND and tell me , WHAT DAY does approach . What generation IS THIS . FOR all I see is the greatest reprobation of nations only increasing against GOD , they in the phase of being turned over to reprobate minds to do all evil . On this path , THE JUDGEMENT WILL COME . The weapon will rise , BUT THEN IT TOO will be destroyed AT THE COMING OF OUR LORD . WE that late in the game . WE THAT LATE . and more and more are not even remotely having any real sense of urgency , and more and more are being given over to a reprobate ALL INCLUSIVE DELUSOIN . ON THAT PATH , THE END WILL COME . YEAH , Its that close now .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 10:11:20 GMT -5
Reading in Isaiah 47/Revelation 18 about the judgment of Babylon...and what are her sins...ultimately she was given over to occult and new age mysticism...this happened to Jerusalem (kabbalah and astrology), and the church under Rome and all her mystic practices done under cover of darkness....and now we see it creeping into the Protestant evangelical church today as well...new age practices, prophecy used as a fortune telling tool, counterfeit miracles that border on the occult. (A bit off topic, but just pointing out another similarity between Israel of old and the church today.)
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 22, 2018 10:17:24 GMT -5
YES SISTER WATCHFUL . ALL WHO GOD loves HE will chasten and scourge and he does chasten all who are HIS . Yes, the Lord loves us so much! \o/
"For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives." - Hebrews 12:6
"For whom the Lord loves He corrects, Just as a father the son in whom he delights." - Proverbs 3:12
"But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world." - 1 Corinthians 11:32
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent." - Revelation 3:19 It is a real blessing to be called His Children.
Glory to God. Amen!
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Post by frienduff on Jun 22, 2018 10:23:44 GMT -5
And its happening WORLD WIDE . IF we read romans we can see what is and has been taking place . a generation ago , the call was made to rid God from all places , to not want anything of HIM to remind Their conscious . WELL IT GOT DELIVERED just as paul said . Delivered unto a reprobate mind to do all evil , to also even though they knew the sentence against such things is death, they not only DO THEM , they have PLEASURE in those who do them . GAY MARRIAGE is honored , and more . While this happenes on an individual level , always has , WHAT we are witnessing is on a WORLD LEVEL . I am younger than most . AND even I , NEVER once saw in my school days , THIS GLORIFICATION OF SIN being done . Where they no longer even HIDE their sin , ITS HONORED RIGHT OUT in the streets for all to see. And if a man warns against it , He makes himself a prey . YEAH , GOT THAT RIGHT OUT of the BIBLE . AND WE IN THOSE DAYS . You do know , that soon after that prophet said such things , JUDGEMENT STRUCK WITH FURY. YEAH so too it will again . GOD don't change . Did any of you all see that video I brought . Saying such things to those kids . AND still some think WE AINT the last generation . I GOT NEWS . THIS IS the last generation and ALL who have and do reject Christ will see the wrath of GOD . And we who cling to JESUS will soon see FIRST the wrath of satan , of the beast and false prophet come full force against us . WE are running out of time . SO the key words we ought to saying are REPENT , REPENT , REPENT and COME to Faith in Christ . and to the brethren we should be doing all to keep one another stirred up . WE are RUNNING , RUNNING out of time .
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Post by frienduff on Jun 22, 2018 10:29:40 GMT -5
And the more the few warn , the more the many say , ALAS WHERE is this judgment you speak of , we have been doing this for years and no judgement . and now a word. BECAUSE SENTENCE is not speedily executed , IT IS IN the HEART of man TO DO EVIL. BUT ONE MORE WORD comes to mind too. For those who said in days long ago , written for our admonition so we DO NOT DO as they did . THEY had told them prophets too, and it was in their heart , THAT judgment would be delayed . AND at that time GOD HMSELF SAID I WILL NO longer DELAY MY JUDGMENT . FOLKS , yoo hoo, WE IN THOSE DAYS . A NASTY WEAPON WILL SOON RISE and JUDGMENT WILL BE COME FIRST against the church THEN TOO shall the weapon have its end , but not by man , BUT BY CHRIST HIMSELF at HIS APPEARING . WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . and as sister lights said , before any thinks me a coo coo. I ask they get into heavy bible reading and then PEEK at this world and churches and tell me , WE don't see the same IDENTICAL PATTERN . WE RUNNING out of TIME and what I say to one I say to all, WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . FOLLOW ONLY THE LAMB.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Jun 22, 2018 10:51:36 GMT -5
And the more the few warn , the more the many say , ALAS WHERE is this judgment you speak of , we have been doing this for years and no judgement . and now a word. BECAUSE SENTENCE is not speedily executed , IT IS IN the HEART of man TO DO EVIL. BUT ONE MORE WORD comes to mind too. For those who said in days long ago , written for our admonition so we DO NOT DO as they did . THEY had told them prophets too, and it was in their heart , THAT judgment would be delayed . AND at that time GOD HMSELF SAID I WILL NO longer DELAY MY JUDGMENT . FOLKS , yoo hoo, WE IN THOSE DAYS . A NASTY WEAPON WILL SOON RISE and JUDGMENT WILL BE COME FIRST against the church THEN TOO shall the weapon have its end , but not by man , BUT BY CHRIST HIMSELF at HIS APPEARING . WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . and as sister lights said , before any thinks me a coo coo. I ask they get into heavy bible reading and then PEEK at this world and churches and tell me , WE don't see the same IDENTICAL PATTERN . WE RUNNING out of TIME and what I say to one I say to all, WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . FOLLOW ONLY THE LAMB. They are having no shame of their sins anymore. People are just sinning like it is normal, and those who point and say: It is sin. They are just seen as haters and intolerant.
"Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." - Ecclesiastes 8:11
The Day is approaching! We better repent and start walking in the light, because:
"He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." - Proverbs 29:1
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" - Matthew 7:21-23
"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." - 1 John 3:4
"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." - John 8:36
You see how merciful the Lord is... Those who do not repent are condemning themselves.
"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." - John 3:19
"For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." - John 3:20
"But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." - John 3:21
"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." - 1 John 1:7
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