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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 10:04:10 GMT -5
I know for myself, I do not want to manipulate someone's emotions in order to get them to Christ, because that is not right. I do not want to flatter people. I don't want to put down someone trying to reach the lost, but something doesn't feel right about this. It's hard to put my finger on it. Me neither solid . But your right , something is not right about this . And test this . Examine this man . As we must examine all . You will soon see him doing things that for sure and for certain are way off . The best way to also do this , go back and get refreshed in the gosples , in acts and etc . Watch HOW JESUS witnessed to the lost , watch what he said . Watch how peter witnessed to the jews on the day of pentecost . And other places . Watch how stephen witnessed . Paul witnessed . You will see they had a serious dire sense of urgency to GET those people To repent and come to CHRIST . They always used the bible to POINT right to JESUS . Most have been taught a new way of evangelism . But it does not get to the heart of the matter . The DIRE NEED of a savoir in order to be saved FROM our own wicked ways . Examine this man . examine who he aligns himself with . I did . I examined some of the people who even teach at His ministry school . And how on earth , or why on earth do you need a school to teach folks how to do miracles and etc . THAT Gift just comes FROM GOD . And you can bet they are making boo koo dollars . The last time i checked the gift and gifts of GOD could not be purchased with money . So why pay folks to go to a school to learn how to prophesy , or how to do gifts of healing or etc . This too is all wrong . There are far too many red flags. AND guess what . You have a few major unity folks teaching at this school . Teaching them this new kind of love evangelising . DOES anyone ever wonder why TODD does not truly prolesytize . I mean HE even admits this . TRY and remember who he is aligned with . DOES POPE francis SUPPORT PROLESYTIZING . NO HE DONT . NOW something is dead wrong . ITS ALL WRONG .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 10:11:25 GMT -5
That came so clear to me . There it is right there . Todd has aligned himself with men of pope francis . Now notice that pope francis has made several speeches about how prolesyizing is dangerous HE even went so far as to say , true christains DO NOT proleystize . SO is it any wonder that TODD does not truly proleystize . THERE IT IS . Instead they all simply try and so call love them into the kingdom . BUT notice the REAL GOSPLE has been silenced . TODD is helping to form the new way of evangelising . THE WAY that SHUTS DOWN TRUE prolesytizing . But its no marvel . GOD SPECIFICALLY SAYS , NOT TO BE unequally yoked together . YET TODD has aligned himself with Bad men . SO its no marvel he is under that guise .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 10:19:10 GMT -5
Examine how PUAL PLANTED , verses how todays men plant . Example . PAUL PLANTED the ONE TRUE GOSPEL . Todd made excuse and said HE does not , but that is because we are to just plant seeds . YET when paul planted , IT WAS THE ONE TRUE GOSPLE HE USED . SOmething is all wrong about todays approach . I hope this helps to clear it up .
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Post by watchful on Feb 21, 2021 10:33:36 GMT -5
I don't know why he goes that far and stops short of leading him all the way to be saved or at least asking if he wants to be saved. Maybe the seed will take root? It took guts what he did, but is it effective? I am unsure. See , this is not how paul , peter , james , stephen witnessed . THEY MADE crystal clear to tell the jews and the gentiles of the DIRE NEED to repent and come to Christ for eternal life , salvation . Something is not right about this solid . I am not just criticizing Todd or being over critical . There are some serious major red flags about Some of the things this man has done , taught and said . AND who he aligns himself with . If anything , we need to pray FOR TODD to be convicted and pulled away from this big unity move with Rome . Do you agree that there is a difference between witnessing and evangelizing though brother? I think the apostles were not just witnessing, they were evangelizing. I only saw Todd witnessing in the video, and not evangelizing per se. Nothing wrong with witnessing in itself, of course, we are all to be witnesses of what Jesus has done for us, and it's good that he was doing that. Not everyone has a gift of evangelizing....I don't know whether Todd evangelizes sometimes too, or not, or what his gifts and calling are in truth. To me, it's everything else that surrounds this man that is in question, unfortunately.... as is rightfully being pointed out, and not the fact that he was witnessing in itself. Just think that should be delineated. I hope I'm not being presumptuous but in my opinion, he is probably someone who still needs more healing himself. It's really sad he went the fame and fortune route, no doubt encouraged by others with a humanistic mindset who probably meant well for his sake but were misguided themselves. Healing and sanctifying dont' come that way, it comes along the narrow way. Fame and fortune route takes ministers further and further away from the mark instead of closer and closer to it, and all who are heeding them. That is at least partly what Jesus was being tempted with in the wilderness....with His gifts (Holy Spirit without measure) and miracles, etc, Israel and the world could have been His oyster if He had gone that route. Thankfully He didn't! No, instead He did the will of the Father, and set us an example that we should follow.
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Post by watchful on Feb 21, 2021 10:49:49 GMT -5
Bottom line of what we're discerning here I think, is that his approach (foundation!) is unfortunately a humanistic one.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 11:09:20 GMT -5
See , this is not how paul , peter , james , stephen witnessed . THEY MADE crystal clear to tell the jews and the gentiles of the DIRE NEED to repent and come to Christ for eternal life , salvation . Something is not right about this solid . I am not just criticizing Todd or being over critical . There are some serious major red flags about Some of the things this man has done , taught and said . AND who he aligns himself with . If anything , we need to pray FOR TODD to be convicted and pulled away from this big unity move with Rome . Do you agree that there is a difference between witnessing and evangelizing though brother? I think the apostles were not just witnessing, they were evangelizing. I only saw Todd witnessing in the video, and not evangelizing per se. Nothing wrong with witnessing in itself, of course, we are all to be witnesses of what Jesus has done for us, and it's good that he was doing that. Not everyone has a gift of evangelizing....I don't know whether Todd evangelizes sometimes too, or not, or what his gifts and calling are in truth. To me, it's everything else that surrounds this man that is in question, unfortunately.... as is rightfully being pointed out, and not the fact that he was witnessing in itself. Just think that should be delineated. I hope I'm not being presumptuous but in my opinion, he is probably someone who still needs more healing himself. It's really sad he went the fame and fortune route, no doubt encouraged by others with a humanistic mindset who probably meant well for his sake but were misguided themselves. Healing and sanctifying dont' come that way, it comes along the narrow way. Fame and fortune route takes ministers further and further away from the mark instead of closer and closer to it, and all who are heeding them. That is at least partly what Jesus was being tempted with in the wilderness....with His gifts (Holy Spirit without measure) and miracles, etc, Israel and the world could have been His oyster if He had gone that route. Thankfully He didn't! No, instead He did the will of the Father, and set us an example that we should follow. There is a difference . We can and must be witnesses at all times . OUR WALK must witness we are OF JESUS and then our lips can witness the truth of evangelizing the gospel . Example . If we just walk as did JESUS , folks are gonna see that , and they would Ask us of the hope that is in us . Then we can witness and evangelize THE REASON of our hope . SO yeah sister , by grace i see it . And yes todd is doing things through humanism . You are right on there sister .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 11:13:39 GMT -5
Truth is , if our witness is not OF JESUS , then our evangelizing wont mean a thing . LET me use myself as an example . My witness used to be , loving sin , following and wallowing in lust and debauchry and much evil , YET i could evangelize at times . I remember telling an atheist about JESUS and if HE did not beleive in JESUS that he would end up in hell . YEAH well so would have i , Had i died that night . OUR WITNESS , MUST BE THE WITNESS . THE HOLY GHOST IS OUR WITNESS . AND IT BEARS WITNESS to our HEART OF TRUTH of CHRIST of HOLINESS and righteous living . SO we had better HAVE the WITNESS . TRUTH is we NEED THE WITNESS , THE SPIRIT , to be a witness . A witness that CHRIST INDEED INDWELLS IN US .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 11:17:13 GMT -5
As i love to say , without Christ i can do nothing . JUST as HE SAID , WITIHOUT ME ye can DO NOTHING . IF we are HIS then the SPIRIT bears witness . AND the SPIRIT guides us into TRUTH , not error . Into righteous living , not sin and death . HE who has the witness , aka the SPIRIT is truly OF CHRIST . And our walk and our talk bears witness to who we belong too . And who we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . NOW LEAP UP , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED and in all things GIVE HONOR AND GLORY UNTO HE who has saved us and is able to keep us from falling . HEED HIM , LEARN BIBLE . AND crucify that wicked contrary flesh .
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Post by watchful on Feb 21, 2021 11:46:33 GMT -5
As i love to say , without Christ i can do nothing . JUST as HE SAID , WITIHOUT ME ye can DO NOTHING . IF we are HIS then the SPIRIT bears witness . AND the SPIRIT guides us into TRUTH , not error . Into righteous living , not sin and death . HE who has the witness , aka the SPIRIT is truly OF CHRIST . And our walk and our talk bears witness to who we belong too . And who we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . NOW LEAP UP , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED and in all things GIVE HONOR AND GLORY UNTO HE who has saved us and is able to keep us from falling . HEED HIM , LEARN BIBLE . AND crucify that wicked contrary flesh . Those who truly know the Lord can be led astray though....especially beginning when we are younger in the faith. We generally start out assuming our "spiritual parents", ie, the church, must not be wrong. We have the Holy Spirit trying to lead us into all truth, but there is also a devil trying to lie to us and lead us astray from the get-go. It's a battle. Isa 7:15-16 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 21, 2021 11:55:38 GMT -5
As i love to say , without Christ i can do nothing . JUST as HE SAID , WITIHOUT ME ye can DO NOTHING . IF we are HIS then the SPIRIT bears witness . AND the SPIRIT guides us into TRUTH , not error . Into righteous living , not sin and death . HE who has the witness , aka the SPIRIT is truly OF CHRIST . And our walk and our talk bears witness to who we belong too . And who we obey IS WHOSE WE ARE . NOW LEAP UP , LET THE LORD BE PRAISED and in all things GIVE HONOR AND GLORY UNTO HE who has saved us and is able to keep us from falling . HEED HIM , LEARN BIBLE . AND crucify that wicked contrary flesh . Those who truly know the Lord can be led astray though....especially beginning when we are younger in the faith. We generally start out assuming our "spiritual parents", ie, the church, must not be wrong. We have the Holy Spirit trying to lead us into all truth, but there is also a devil trying to lie to us and lead us astray from the get-go. It's a battle. Isa 7:15-16 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. Oh i know my dear sister . Lots of folks who started out in churches and then were born again , at first they gonna think all is fine in the church . But in time with GOD and His guidance , the holy scriptures as our meat you begin to see errors . Yeah i know dear sister . I was not raised in churches at all . Only had visited them on and off , v ery few times . Then i began to look for one . With loads of bible reading . I remember loving the praise time . but the doctrine always had an emptiness . But never in the bible was i empty , just lovely it is and was . I know sister that when folks are in churches , or have been indoctrinated , THEN come to Christ that those things are just gonna have to be burnt out . I know dear sister . Now put those hands up and let the LORD be praised . God works on the lambs my sister . He keeps us safe and teaches us and lambs grow and mature . And they will flee false churches They will in time COME OUT from amongst them . Yep .
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Post by John on Feb 24, 2021 18:35:58 GMT -5
I did get a chance to look at this video. I think the point 4hizglory37 was making was that Todd White was willing to do something most will not do, witness to someone that looks like an impossible case. There is no question that he did that. Most people would never go near a Satanist to talk about Jesus. She was not endorsing Todd White, but only showing he was willing to reach out to the kind of person most would avoid.
Here is the problem with the way he did things. Yes, he did testify about what Jesus did in his life, but at the same time, to what end? He left the guy unsaved, and never even offered to pray with him to accept Christ. You cannot assume the guy would have said no or that this "seed" will take root and lead to him getting saved down the road. If you are going to go to this much trouble, ask the guy if he would like to have the same peace Todd found?
Then there was this stuff about striking up a conversation about his tattoos. I have no problem with trying to find something nice to say to the guy, but we are told not to print marks on our body, so I am not going to ask the guy about his tattoos. Did God really tell Todd that this guy would do the things he said he would? Also, for what purpose? Why would he pray for God to use a sinner in such a way? It is like he was willing to talk to someone in sin and even pray for this guy, but for what? On the chance he might get saved if others follow up with him? It seems like a lost opportunity.
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