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Post by ohhello on Feb 27, 2021 6:59:57 GMT -5
Yes. We will keep digging in those bibles. Scripture is the Living Word. We meet with the biblical Jesus in scripture.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 27, 2021 8:50:10 GMT -5
There is no secret truths, needed to be learnt, it is all there, we just have to dig into those nuggets. I was not suggesting there are secret truths. You can go back and read the New Testament and get a pretty good idea of how the early church did things, but there will always be some things about the exact order we will not know since we did not live back then. In spite of those minor areas, we can get things very close if we want to, and I think the church today would do good to try.
during the 40 day no meat navel lent thingy you are supposed to meditate on the secret mysteries of tammuz. its apart of their tradition. no doubt... this has to do with the mind, and since they are keeping focused on NOT whats good or has any virtue or any of that, and they are not loving God with their mind... this opens them up for unclean spirits to impart all kinds of thoughts/delusions/deception.
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Post by watchful on Feb 27, 2021 10:44:36 GMT -5
I have no idea where that lent comes from either. LOL I do not think many realize how many things we do that have a pagan origin, and how many things Protestant Churches do are because they are following a pattern created by the RCC. It really is going to require going back to the Holy Bible as our guide to get these things out of our lives. Start out from scratch. Ignore what all the churches are doing, and even forget about their order, and look at how the early church operated. There is no way we can fix this completely, because we cannot go back in time and get Paul to show us the exact pattern, but we do have enough to come close if we would do it.
actually this can be fixed . If all we had read was our bibles we would have had such a simple walk . And it aint too late for us to do just that . Think about how simple our walk should be . JESUS as HEAD , then the true leaders of the church and the members all being as equals . YET of course those who are well learned are living as the example for others to do the same . ITS real simple . Truly it is . Just go back to the bible and learn that pattern alone . THE pattern to doing as we ought too , can truly be found in the teachings of JESUS and of the apostles . Its so simple . Live by every word of GOD . And lambs have the SPIRIT so it is our guide . And the SPIRIT would put a love for Truth , which means we would love the truth in those bibles , upon our heart . ITS very simple john . We dont need to go back in time at all. WHO taught paul to walk , jude to walk , peter to walk , stepehen to walk , THE SPIRIT DID . And peter even said that he would ensure , even after his own decease , there would be a way to keep all these things in remembrance . YOU will find them IN THE BIBLE . Its all there and its not complicated at all . FOR if we have the SAME SPIRIT they did , then rest assured it will teach us the same truth it had taught them . THE COMFORTER the WITNESS of TRUTH which IS TRUTH resides in the lambs and it still teaches lambs the very same truth today . IT does . WE do not need hermeunetics or any method of man to grasp the scriptures . ALL WE NEED is the ONE WHO INSPIRED THOSE SCRIPTURES . ALL WE NEED IS JESUS . ALL we NEED IS THE SPIRIT . Sure there are gonna be things that need to be burned out , but as for TRUTH we have ALL WE NEED and GOD knows exactly what we NEED and HOW to burn out of us the things that need to be burned out . JUST trust GOD as does a small child . ITS so simple really . I am so sorry that man has complicated such a simple walk though his own traditions and lusts . But we truly do have ALL WE NEED to walk as we ought to , to learn as we ought too . FOR IF WE TRULY HAVE CHRIST , we TRULY HAVE THE SPIRIT and that is OUR GUIDE . AND the SPIRIT will work through all the members to edify the body . But always we must test what every man does teach or say , and do so against ..........BIBLE DOCTRINE .
Amen. Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees who even though they read and studied the scriptures were a people of no understanding. We want to serve in the new way of the spirit not the old way of a dead letter doing things by rote........I wonder which scriptures the apostles read by which they understood how the Body of Christ was to be? All they had was the example of Jesus, but even then they needed the Holy Spirit to give them understanding and light for their eyes to see by....until they had the Holy Spirit, they didn’t understand Jesus very well either.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 27, 2021 10:56:05 GMT -5
Yes. We will keep digging in those bibles. Scripture is the Living Word. We meet with the biblical Jesus in scripture. A lamb in who JESUS dwells , the SPIRIT dwells will find the scriptures as meat for the soul . For JESUS sheep hear JESUS VOICE . And What a joy truth is , so refreshing to the soul . And when a stranger stands the lambs wont heed that voice . The winds blow wheresoever they blow , and have covered this pope more than once . I see it as only confirmation that the winds are saying , DONT HEED THAT ONE . Nor those who desire unity with it . The lambs hear only the wind of the SPIRIT and not the longwinded voice of strangers .
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Post by frienduff on Feb 27, 2021 11:02:27 GMT -5
Amen. Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees who even though they read and studied the scriptures were a people of no understanding. We want to serve in the new way of the spirit not the old way of a dead letter doing things by rote........I wonder which scriptures the apostles read by which they understood how the Body of Christ was to be? All they had was the example of Jesus, but even then they needed the Holy Spirit to give them understanding and light for their eyes to see by....until they had the Holy Spirit, they didn’t understand Jesus very well either. Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit .
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Post by watchful on Feb 27, 2021 11:14:27 GMT -5
Amen. Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees who even though they read and studied the scriptures were a people of no understanding. We want to serve in the new way of the spirit not the old way of a dead letter doing things by rote........I wonder which scriptures the apostles read by which they understood how the Body of Christ was to be? All they had was the example of Jesus, but even then they needed the Holy Spirit to give them understanding and light for their eyes to see by....until they had the Holy Spirit, they didn’t understand Jesus very well either. Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit . Amen. Those Pharisees thought they were pretty righteous though. But Jesus said they were only outwardly righteous....whitewashed on the outside, blameless by rote, on the outside, but inwardly full of death. But blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven....we have to first know our poverty....it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. With man this is impossible (depending on self) but with God (depending, looking to Him) nothing is impossible.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 27, 2021 11:29:05 GMT -5
Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit . Amen. Those Pharisees thought they were pretty righteous though. But Jesus said they were only outwardly righteous....whitewashed on the outside, blameless by rote, on the outside, but inwardly full of death. But blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven....we have to first know our poverty....it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. With man this is impossible (depending on self) but with God (depending, looking to Him) nothing is impossible. Oh yes they THOUGHT they were righteous . What did they tell The blind man who JESUS healed . YE WERE BORN IN SIN , AND YET YE teach us , as though they were RIGHTEOUS . exactly . And look what they told JESUS . they saw the publicans and harlots as sinners , WHICH THEY WERE , but they could not see that they themselves WERE SINNERS and far worse sinners , for the harlots and publicans were repenting and COMING TO JESUS , they were REJECTING JESUS . talk about BLIND . Ye hear not my voice for ye are not of my sheep . SUMS IT UP . ONLY the sheep can hear the voice of the SHEPARD . THE answer is .............BELIEVE IN JESUS . REPENT and BELIEVE THE GOSPLE . AND if it aint the biblical gospel , the biblical JESUS , well its sinking sand .
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Post by John on Feb 27, 2021 14:46:45 GMT -5
Amen. Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees who even though they read and studied the scriptures were a people of no understanding. We want to serve in the new way of the spirit not the old way of a dead letter doing things by rote........I wonder which scriptures the apostles read by which they understood how the Body of Christ was to be? All they had was the example of Jesus, but even then they needed the Holy Spirit to give them understanding and light for their eyes to see by....until they had the Holy Spirit, they didn’t understand Jesus very well either. Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit . One thing we must be careful about is looking at the New Testament as dead letters. The New Testament was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and we need to try to follow these letters as closely as possible. I understand the need to be Spirit led, but not at the expense of obedience to the written Word of God that the Spirit inspired. We know we should follow the scriptures because the Spirit gave them to us. God wrote the Bible through the pens of men, so they are far from dead. They are alive. That is different from the Law of Moses. We must not think that being Spirit filled believers means we do not have to obey the Bible. If you are at odds with scripture, you are not being Spirit-led, but only deceiving yourself.
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Post by Cletus on Feb 27, 2021 21:15:14 GMT -5
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2021 10:35:45 GMT -5
Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit . One thing we must be careful about is looking at the New Testament as dead letters. The New Testament was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and we need to try to follow these letters as closely as possible. I understand the need to be Spirit led, but not at the expense of obedience to the written Word of God that the Spirit inspired. We know we should follow the scriptures because the Spirit gave them to us. God wrote the Bible through the pens of men, so they are far from dead. They are alive. That is different from the Law of Moses. We must not think that being Spirit filled believers means we do not have to obey the Bible. If you are at odds with scripture, you are not being Spirit-led, but only deceiving yourself.
Look closely at the third sentence . IF one is TRULY SPIRIT LED , they would be in obediance to what was written in that bible . For every word of GOD , the love of those words , would be written upon their hearts . Yes indeed . Look at what paul even wrote . IF any man obeys NOT this epistle , note that man and have no company with him , that he might be ashamed etc . OH YES they knew that TRUTH must be obeyed and done so from the heart . Even JESUS had said , HE who loves me OBEYS ME . Keeps my sayings . OH yes . While it is true that even the false can say the bible is inspired by God , You wont see them truly teaching it . They lip truth , but their heart is far from the TRUTH , Far from JESUS . But at the same time , you will never hear a person who truly is OF CHRIST , even once downplay the dire importance of bible doctrine . Not once . IF we ever hear such a one and they stand and downplay the dire importance of scripture , YA BETTER FLEE that one . Cause they is a charlaton coming in to deceive and seeking followers of thier own self .
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Post by watchful on Feb 28, 2021 11:34:32 GMT -5
Paul was highly learned in torah , though he did not truly know the SPIRIT that inspired torah . Paul was highly learned also in their traditions which would contradict scripture as well . But ONCE JESUS made paul BLIND so HE could see , Paul could then SEE and use the scriptures to POINT to JESUS and TO JESUS ALONE . Peter was unlearned as was john , and yet BY THE SPIRIT they could quoate and teach , and even the jews marveled at them . EVERY WORD of GOD is pure and lovely , from every warning to every promise , but without the SPIRIT man can never see the beauty of TRUTH . At most they will know some truth and always they will twist some , omit some and justify whatever lust they love . ONLY JESUS can set a man free from the bondage of sin , the bondage that dwells within his own flesh . JESUS SETS CAPTIVES FREE , but many men today know not GOD , have not Christ and have not the SPIRIT and thus they teach a love , a freedom , a liberty which IS BONDAGE for it justifies the very THING that JESUS came to set one free FROM , IT JUSTIFYS SIN . THUS they are not of THE FATHER . The voice they hear is a strangers and if the blind lead the blind , they gonna fall right smack into the pit . One thing we must be careful about is looking at the New Testament as dead letters. The New Testament was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and we need to try to follow these letters as closely as possible. I understand the need to be Spirit led, but not at the expense of obedience to the written Word of God that the Spirit inspired. We know we should follow the scriptures because the Spirit gave them to us. God wrote the Bible through the pens of men, so they are far from dead. They are alive. That is different from the Law of Moses. We must not think that being Spirit filled believers means we do not have to obey the Bible. If you are at odds with scripture, you are not being Spirit-led, but only deceiving yourself.
There is no difference between old and new testament.....all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for instruction, for reproof, etc. It's not that old testament is a dead letter and only the new testament is in spirit, since it is ALL inspired by the same Holy Spirit. The problem is not with the scriptures, it's with us....we can serve in the old way of the letter which killeth or in the new way of the Spirit which gives life......using any scripture, laws of Moses or even the words of Jesus. The difference is whether we are in the flesh or in the spirit, in the carnal mind or the mind of Christ in our both our understanding as well as in the way we administer the word. (Remember the law was weak through the flesh and carnal mind....only a faithful few OT saints broke through the carnal mind into faith/spirit.)
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2021 14:11:32 GMT -5
One thing we must be careful about is looking at the New Testament as dead letters. The New Testament was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and we need to try to follow these letters as closely as possible. I understand the need to be Spirit led, but not at the expense of obedience to the written Word of God that the Spirit inspired. We know we should follow the scriptures because the Spirit gave them to us. God wrote the Bible through the pens of men, so they are far from dead. They are alive. That is different from the Law of Moses. We must not think that being Spirit filled believers means we do not have to obey the Bible. If you are at odds with scripture, you are not being Spirit-led, but only deceiving yourself.
There is no difference between old and new testament.....all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for instruction, for reproof, etc. It's not that old testament is a dead letter and only the new testament is in spirit, since it is ALL inspired by the same Holy Spirit. The problem is not with the scriptures, it's with us....we can serve in the old way of the letter which killeth or in the new way of the Spirit which gives life......using any scripture, laws of Moses or even the words of Jesus. The difference is whether we are in the flesh or in the spirit, in the carnal mind or the mind of Christ in our both our understanding as well as in the way we administer the word. (Remember the law was weak through the flesh and carnal mind....only a faithful few OT saints broke through the carnal mind into faith/spirit.) Read the last quoate . Only the sheep , even in the days before JESUS came , walked by faith . THEY waited , and waited for the promise of a coming messiah . THEY walked by FAITH . IT was always about FAITH , FAITH IN JESUS . though many died before His coming . men like david , men like jeremiah , issiah , amos , and all the prophets walked by faith and prophesied of a coming savoir . WHICH MEANS what ............their faith was in WHO . IN JESUS . OH yes . and a remnant always walked by faith . What did the one brother tell his brother , WE HAVE FOUND the MESSIAH that MOSES HIMSELF SPOKE ABOUT . YEAH , they were lambs and the wolves they heeded not , they waited for the SHEPARD . MANY kings and prophets have waited to hear and to see what YE DO NOW . BLESSED ARE YOU . YEAH . IT was always about faith in the coming messiah JESUS CHRIST . GOD even preached the gospel to who .................TO EVEN ABRAHAM . YEAH abraham saw JESUS day on the moutain , HE REJOICED TO SEE JESUS DAY , HE SAW IT and ON THE MOUNT he rejoiced . IN THY SEED shall ALL the nations be blessed . THY SEED , YEAH THAT WAS JESUS . THAT IS WHAT GOD REVEALED TO EVEN ABRAHAM . THAT was the PROMISE to the jews and gentiles . JESUS . NUTTIN ELSE GONNA SAVE A JEW OR GENTILE . SURELY this all inclusive pope AINT THE ANSWER . HE A DEVIL . and while i wish not his death , I WILL EXPOSE the false unity till MY DEATH OR JESUS COME . OH WELL what the cost will be , i had rather suffer and die pointing to JESUS than to reign a king and believe a lie .
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Post by Giller on Feb 28, 2021 15:43:13 GMT -5
So we can see through the things that has been said in this thread, that there is people in church circles that are departing from the faith:
1Ti 4:1-3 (1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; (3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
They are compromising with a church, that has such doctrines.
The Roman Catholic church has had such doctrines around the time since Constantine, or possibly just a bit after, and during that time, most compromised with Constantine's version of so called Christianity.
(Encyclopedia Britannica, 1960,book 5, page 97)
(The early Latin church.-After the beginning of the 4th century the custom of clerical celibacy gradually evolved into a legal obligation in the Western church. The council of Elvira (Grenada) about the year 300 prescribed continence for bishops, priests and deacons. This was merely a provincial council local to a part of Spain, but it has been prominent in the history of celibacy since it established the earliest recorded legislation on this subject. The same discipline was decreed in 386 by the church in Rome, and Pope Siricius set about making it universal in the Latin church....)
(Encyclopedia Britannica, 1960,book 13, page 923)
(Of the Lenten fast, or Quadragesima, the first mention is in the fifth canon of the council of Nicea (325), and from this time it is frequently referred to, but chiefly as a season of preparation for baptism, of absolution of penitents or of retreat and recollection.)
There was a falling away then, and now it seems that history is about to repeat itself, to were protestant/evangelical churches, are resembling the Catholic church more and more, they are actually merging into it.
God does not lie when he mentions that some shall depart from the faith, and them heeding to doctrines of devils, and God giving examples of doctrines such as forbidding to marry and abstaining from meats, it is not a coincidence that churches are compromising with such a church which has such doctrines, and are starting to resemble more and more that church, in its practices.
Many churches are staring to observe Lent, even some that did not do so before, and concerning the forbidding to marry part, I do not know of many churches that observe that part, but who knows if in the coming future some will form such doctrines via some offices of the church, and maybe just towards apostles, but either way, they are compromising with a church that has such a doctrine.
And this cannot be taken litely, it has to be taken very seriously.
Many times people do not think of the spiritual consequences to a thing, they only think in the natural, and in how they feel about it, such as oh it is so innocent, how can it be wrong, or I do not feel it is wrong.
They often times do not really look to scriptures, but rather look to their own selves as the standard, but such thinking will make you prime bait for the devil, even easy bait.
Do not fool yourself, do not tempt God, and see how far you can go, in disobeying him, because one day God can give you over to a deluding spirit, to were you will be such in darkness that you will not be able to get back to him, fear the Lord and depart from what he says is evil.
It is no time to play church !!!!!!!
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Post by Giller on Feb 28, 2021 15:55:48 GMT -5
Churches were merging into the Roman Catholic church in Constantine's time, and they are merging into the Roman Catholic church in our times, and they were merging into Roman Catholic likeness, also in the realm of church and state being married, and so it is today, and also in the realm of the Nicolaitans' doctrine, which was the clergy over the laity, and so it is today, in a much bigger way than we think.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 28, 2021 19:09:29 GMT -5
Churches were merging into the Roman Catholic church in Constantine's time, and they are merging into the Roman Catholic church in our times, and they were merging into Roman Catholic likeness, also in the realm of church and state being married, and so it is today, and also in the realm of the Nicolaitans' doctrine, which was the clergy over the laity, and so it is today, in a much bigger way than we think. paul also spoke of they would be without natural affection . The man would give up the natural use of the woman and vice versa . OH i know folks dont like to talk about that . BUT oh yes its a mega end time sign . man with man and woman with woman is not natural . Even goes against nature itself . Yet not only is it no longer hidden , HEck its celebrated , tis honored , tis embraced We would do well to also remember , GOD created . And what HE created is what we are . Every one is born as they are . Either male or female . The other pronouns i refuse to call them . WE stand now , or we fall . Dont let a false love and a dead unity cause us to accept what is false .
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