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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 19, 2021 12:29:22 GMT -5
I am burdened about something.
On one hand, it's important to contend for biblical doctrine, especially when it comes to salvation.
But I also feel burdened by the lack of unity among Christians today. We're so divided by traditions, denominations, and doctrines that we can't see a great move of God because of it.
Recently I was told that the Moravians in my area in the 1700's came together with other denominations and they came together hungry for God, praying round the clock, and they saw revival. But that revival ceased because of church splits and arguments over doctrine.
I can't help but feel like true believers are like scattered sheep because of the apostasy of so many churches. But on top of that, our doctrinal differences keep us from coming together, being hungry for God, and seeing a great outpouring of His Spirit, miracles, and healings.
I feel like now is the time that we should be seeking God for our respective nations.
We should be coming together to pray for revival but were too busy arguing. Is it because the arguing is necessary or are we preventing a move of God because of our need to be right?
I don't know how it's possible to contend for biblical truth and unity at the same time. I still haven't figured that out yet.
But we should all be of one mind when jt comes to the evil in this world and the need to pray against it.
What if all the believers, the OSAS, and the NOSAS prayed together with one accord against the powers of darkness that are causing genderless bathrooms, and the covid vaccine, and, all these evil things?
Wouldn't that be more effective? Am I the only one that feels this way?
The Church is under attack. Instead of getting picked off as a scattered bunch, shouldn't we go on the war path and fast and pray together?
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Post by 2fw8212a on Apr 21, 2021 7:30:07 GMT -5
This problem is more prevalent in your country, there are some churches here where God is using people in a mighty way.
The problem about unity, in my opinion, is because many Christians are lacking wisdom and knowledge of God.
Blessings!
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Post by John on Apr 21, 2021 8:00:55 GMT -5
It depends on what the doctrine is whether we can agree to disagree or not. If it is OSAS, the ones causing the problem are those who believe in it. I did not write into the SOF our disagreement with unconditional security to keep anyone who disagrees out. I welcome them. I did that to stop contentions before they start. I have found that all OSAS believers want to do is push that doctrine, and I will not allow that, but we can still fellowship as far as I am concerned. Notice that if you go to message boards where the one running it is OSAS, you will have dozens of threads going on seemingly different subjects, but all push OSAS. We cannot have meaningful fellowship with people like that because they will not allow it.
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Post by Tabitha3319 on Apr 21, 2021 12:30:26 GMT -5
It depends on what the doctrine is whether we can agree to disagree or not. If it is OSAS, the ones causing the problem are those who believe in it. I did not write into the SOF our disagreement with unconditional security to keep anyone who disagrees out. I welcome them. I did that to stop contentions before they start. I have found that all OSAS believers want to do is push that doctrine, and I will not allow that, but we can still fellowship as far as I am concerned. Notice that if you go to message boards where the one running it is OSAS, you will have dozens of threads going on seemingly different subjects, but all push OSAS. We cannot have meaningful fellowship with people like that because they will not allow it.
I understand. I think wishfully sometimes, hoping that some of the OSAS pushers are simply misguided. But some of them are really wolves in sheeps clothing.
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Post by John on Apr 22, 2021 6:30:19 GMT -5
It depends on what the doctrine is whether we can agree to disagree or not. If it is OSAS, the ones causing the problem are those who believe in it. I did not write into the SOF our disagreement with unconditional security to keep anyone who disagrees out. I welcome them. I did that to stop contentions before they start. I have found that all OSAS believers want to do is push that doctrine, and I will not allow that, but we can still fellowship as far as I am concerned. Notice that if you go to message boards where the one running it is OSAS, you will have dozens of threads going on seemingly different subjects, but all push OSAS. We cannot have meaningful fellowship with people like that because they will not allow it.
I understand. I think wishfully sometimes, hoping that some of the OSAS pushers are simply misguided. But some of them are really wolves in sheeps clothing. If you know of anyone that is choosing not to join here because they happen to believe in unconditional security of the believer, they are welcome. The only thing I would ask is that they not start threads or enter threads to try to argue for OSAS. It is not like there are not many other things to discuss. I know that there are people who are members here now that do believe in OSAS, though most if not all are currently inactive.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 22, 2021 8:16:54 GMT -5
Its real simple if we just preach , teach and speak The Biblical JESUS . There is no need to preach an acroynm or mens doctrines . Think how simple it would be if everyone stopped preaching , teaching , or speaking on the doctrines of men and instead just spoke what is in the bible . Simple reminding folks and one another with what is already written . Reminding of every warning to every promise . IT would have been so simple , if only the peoples would do just that .
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Post by watchful on Apr 22, 2021 15:49:51 GMT -5
For sure there is a lot of division that is of the flesh and unnecessary. At the same time there are things that we are not to be unequally yoked with and legitimately should have no fellowship with (eg, where Paul wrote "don't even eat with such a one", or "from such turn away").
I'm not sure unity is necessary for revival to happen, but I believe revival can help to restore unity where division exists unnecessarily. So far as is possible with us we are to keep the bond of peace, but it seems there will always be a certain amount of disparity over some doctrines until all reach "the full stature of Christ"....growing and maturing takes time and I doubt many reach that full stature in this life, so it almost seems to be an expected thing that everything is not going to be entirely cut & dried in the meantime, until the end.
There are two evils I have seen under the sun (just me borrowing a bit of scripture there to make a point)...one is error that is of the flesh, and the other is trying to fix error with the flesh. So we need to be careful of man-made efforts regarding unity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 17:27:49 GMT -5
The other day, I shared about what scripture has to say about the occult. A few groups were supposedly Christian. I was amazed just how quick one admin on one of these groups was telling me how wrong I was with what i shared and that according to him there is no evil in the occult. In fact, as soon a I tried to correct this guy, I was deleted from the group. We are very much living the last of the days where very few want to hear about the biblical Jesus and accept correction + true doctrine.
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Post by watchful on Apr 23, 2021 5:33:46 GMT -5
The other day, I shared about what scripture has to say about the occult. A few groups were supposedly Christian. I was amazed just how quick one admin on one of these groups was telling me how wrong I was with what i shared and that according to him there is no evil in the occult. In fact, as soon a I tried to correct this guy, I was deleted from the group. We are very much living the last of the days where very few want to hear about the biblical Jesus and accept correction + true doctrine. That is so sad and disturbing.....reminds me so much of ancient Israel in her apostasy when she fell so far away from God that she was engaging in pagan practices. It's an example of something we are not to have fellowship with. Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
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Post by frienduff on Apr 23, 2021 13:04:17 GMT -5
The other day, I shared about what scripture has to say about the occult. A few groups were supposedly Christian. I was amazed just how quick one admin on one of these groups was telling me how wrong I was with what i shared and that according to him there is no evil in the occult. In fact, as soon a I tried to correct this guy, I was deleted from the group. We are very much living the last of the days where very few want to hear about the biblical Jesus and accept correction + true doctrine. March on my friend . If you have not noticed it by now , THOUGH I THINK YOU HAVE , the reason for this is due to most are just focused on unity and not doctrine . its why we have so many thoughts within christendom and the second you bring up a wrong teaching They often do not think it is wrong . We have traded in doctrine and correction for unity . Been going on for quite some time now . Folks believe that unity is far more important than doctrine . Thus doctrine aint taught hardly at all . Just messages of this love and unity , which is neither the LOVE OR UNITY that comes From GOD . Its sucking and has been sucking folks into its net like a black hole . A black hole sucks out any appearance of LIGHT . Its getting bad les . The churches cannot survive on this kind of unity nor false sensual love . We must point to the biblical JESUS and always out of great love correct error .
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