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Post by Cletus on Oct 9, 2018 20:58:01 GMT -5
I have completely lost the plot on this thread, and I'm so sorry! Is the party over? when i read your post i thought of frienduff on stage with a light show and a mic, and he said...
when I say throw those hands up.... you say Praise The Lord.
LOLOLOLOLOL!
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Post by Giller on Oct 10, 2018 0:40:39 GMT -5
I know that we are into the fruit of goodness, but have been having thoughts on the joy aspect of things.
I have been thinking of the happiness thing and it seemed to go along with joy, but then looked a bit further into the meanings.
I know that joy seems to be associated with rejoicing , exultation and some type of excitement.
Could joy be the trigger, that brings about merriment and gladness of heart, a cheerful countenance, and makes a person happy?
I know that there has been times that I was so full of joy, that I responded by saying that I was a very happy person at that moment.
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Post by Giller on Oct 10, 2018 0:41:24 GMT -5
I think it is God imparting his goodness to us, and it flowing through us, and resulting in good works, such as clothing the naked, feeding the poor, ministering to people etc. I see things like that, acts of kindness, as part of being "upright in heart and life," but I also see acts of kindness being possible without being upright in heart and life. A lot of unbelievers are charitable. I completely agree with you that this is God imparting his goodness to us. This is fruit, not commandments. It is not "thou shalt be full of goodness." Goodness is a fruit of the Spirit of God that lives on the inside, so I agree with you, but feel this goes deeper than just ministering to the poor. The definitions you gave pretty much cover it all if you take them as a whole. They are very good, in my opinion.
Totally agree with you brother. It encompasses the whole person.
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Post by Giller on Oct 10, 2018 0:45:23 GMT -5
And concerning a counterfeit goodness, I would say it is people in some fashion seeking to do good through self righteousness, or self righteous acts.
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Post by Giller on Oct 10, 2018 1:19:15 GMT -5
And concerning the fruit of goodness, I think of us decreasing and Christ increasing in our lives.
And as Christ increases, so does the fruit of goodness increase, and I think of the phrase it is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth within me.
The fruit of goodness will affect our lives, our actions, our speech, our thoughts, our motivations etc. etc. etc.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Oct 10, 2018 5:31:31 GMT -5
Giller Goodness as a fruit is, especially, goodness on another level, much higher than what is commonly seen.
And all this obviously, from a sincere heart who knows the truth, which rejoices in doing it and is not burdensome at all.
"...Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you..." - Luke 6:27
"...bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you..." - Matthew 5:44
"Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail..." - Luke 12:33
And without any expectation, except this:
"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." - Matthew 6:21
"knowing that whatever good anyone does, he will receive the same from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free." - Ephesians 6:8
And obviously, the devil hates when Christians set their hearts on doing good.
And will start discouraging them by saying they are buying their salvation by doing good works, which obviously is not the case.
What happens is that people who do not know the truth does not understand why we seek to do good and dislike sin.
They cannot understand that it is just a result of our faith and new life in Christ; people should have no fear of doing good to please God.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." - Romans 8:1
We have the gift of the Holy Spirit, then we must use it.
"Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you..." - 1 Timothy 4:14
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16
"For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil." - 1 John 3:8
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him." - Colossians 3:17
Then they will accuse and condemn us without even knowing.
"in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." - 2 Timothy 2:25-26
Blessings, blessings to you all in Jesus' name!
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Post by Cletus on Oct 10, 2018 5:47:56 GMT -5
My goodness, Before i was saved i couldnt do something good or something that would end up working out to be good, even when i tried. it was just awful.
I find my Goodness to be here and there, But God's Goodness is 24/7/365.
Its good to have goodness and i even just like to say goodness. goodness goodness goodness.
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Post by PG4Him on Oct 10, 2018 9:17:02 GMT -5
To me, goodness means a sense of something being good and well. It's like when you hear good music or you eat a perfect ripe apple. It's the good of the land, and it feeds your soul.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (James 1:17)
Sometimes we can focus so much on suffering for the kingdom that we forget life should be good. I don't believe God expects us to be miserable for the sake of misery. He wants us to shine our light before all men. We shouldn't be worldly or decadent, but we should cultivate goodness. A good clean home, a good healthy dinner with our family, good wholesome fun with our friends. That's how I believe a Christian household should function.
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Post by Giller on Oct 14, 2018 0:11:13 GMT -5
I will mention our last fruit soon, but just getting my thoughts together before we go there.
And might want to mention something else just a little bit.
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Post by Giller on Oct 19, 2018 22:16:38 GMT -5
I wanted to bring back up a certain thing that was nagging at me. But first I will go to something that Candace mentioned which was really good: PG4HIM says:
As I see it, there has to be a difference between humility and meekness. It may be a slight difference, but it has to be there. Paul wouldn't have listed the same quality twice.
He separated them again in Colossians:
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. (3:10-13)
Have another look at what Jesus said:
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11:29-30)
The Greek words in both of these sections convey an idea of low thinking. People can be humble while still being aware of their own value. It's kind of like when you see a doctor. He may be speak to you as humbly as he can, but he doesn't forget that he's a doctor. Meekness, as I understand it, deals with having no self-awareness about my worth. I suspect this is why Paul mentioned it after he broke down racial barriers in Colossians. Cultural and socio-economic advantages, even when they might be very real, are irrelevant in spirit.
Think of how much meekness it took for Jesus to leave behind His real spiritual identity and become a working-class man in an occupied country. Not just to humbly deal with the situation, but to play the role perfectly. That was more than humility.
Anyway, this is what meekness means to me.
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I wanted to bring this back, in bringing complimentary information on this, but also wanted to talked about something else as regards when we covered, the word gentleness. Here is the complimentary information as regards the word meekness: (Jamieson Faussett Brown)
(…Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth — This promise to the meek is but a repetition of Psa_37:11; only the word which our Evangelist renders “the meek,” after the Septuagint, is the same which we have found so often translated “the poor,” showing how closely allied these two features of character are. It is impossible, indeed, that “the poor in spirit” and “the mourners” in Zion should not at the same time be “meek”;…
…“Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls” (Mat_11:29); and the apostle besought one of the churches by “the meekness and gentleness of Christ” (2Co_10:1). In what esteem this is held by Him who seeth not as man seeth, we may learn from 1Pe_3:4, where the true adorning is said to be that of “a meek and quiet spirit, which in the sight of God is of great price.” Towards men this disposition is the opposite of high-mindedness, and a quarrelsome and revengeful spirit; it “rather takes wrong, and suffers itself to be defrauded”…
…like the meek One, “when reviled, it reviles not again; when it suffers, it threatens not: but commits itself to Him that judgeth righteously” (1Pe_2:19-22).…)
I would agree that humility and meekness have a slight difference, but it does seem that meekness in some fashion flows from humility. One of the things that Candace mentions, is this “Meekness, as I understand it, deals with having no self-awareness about my worth.” , the word poor in a certain sense makes me think of this, and meekness is not focused on self, but on God. Now the thing that was nagging at me is, how that people mentioned that gentleness is meekness, yet there is a scripture that mentions gentleness and meekness side by side to each other, here it is: Gal 5:22-23 (22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. I had given some thumbs up to certain people, concerning posts of this because of how things were written. But there has to be a slight difference between gentleness and meekness as well, since they are mentioned both on the same list, and I know that gentleness has a tenderness to it. If someone wants to comment on this, feel welcome. And now we can start our last fruit of the Spirit which is love.
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Post by frienduff on Oct 19, 2018 22:37:09 GMT -5
Exactly giller . It says moses was one of the meekest men too . Meekness is not the same as gentleness . And that scrip right their proves it . Nor is meekness weakness . You throw those hands up giller and praise the LORD .
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Post by frienduff on Oct 20, 2018 10:29:02 GMT -5
If only folks understood that love is not a concept that is emotion based . Rather its an entity for GOD IS LOVE . THEN its real simple to understand that any FEELING we might think is associated with love , IF that feeling contradicts any part of GOD , ITS FALSE . FOR GOD is love and love comes forth FROM HIM . And its evident, for love does not rejoice in inquity , BUT IN TRUTH. Their is a love which only the world knows , AND we must not have that love . That love is of the world , and while it may do good works it will in no way REJIOICE in TRUTH . It will behave itself unseemingly . No matter how much it feeds the poor , its love is focused on ... and anchored in self . And while it can imitate the works , it will always point to darkness . Their is but one true love which is of GOD , and if a man has not that , he is still in darkness no matter how kind or caring he appears , no matter if even he rushes into a burning house to save a child, IT Will profit him nothing . Many are falling for a wrong love these days . THEY are seeing buddists , atheist , gays even , doing good works , coming together to help with the devastations of weather hit places YET no a peep about GOD , CHRIST , just a mention of how they love . BUT without Christ its impossible to know HIS LOVE. at most all it is , is DO not sinners even love those who love them . That is what we seeing . And any sinner who knows not Christ can love like that and the church is falling for this ruse . The next teachings that will increase will be , OH God must be at work in them too, for they do GOOD things . THAT will be a lie that will fast forward all right into a universal salvation concept . OH , and I would not be surprised IF it has not already began to be said in some circles of christanity . IN fact , it is , rome has hinted at it , so have others . We are witnessing the effects of a broken down system that is now REFORMING the truth to its own hearts desire and into a one universal mindset of salvation . MARK those words well THE LOVE we are called unto is this , LOVE CHRIST above everything then we know how to truly love the others .
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Post by Cletus on Oct 20, 2018 14:34:18 GMT -5
If only folks understood that love is not a concept that is emotion based . Rather its an entity for GOD IS LOVE . THEN its real simple to understand that any FEELING we might think is associated with love , IF that feeling contradicts any part of GOD , ITS FALSE . FOR GOD is love and love comes forth FROM HIM . And its evident, for love does not rejoice in inquity , BUT IN TRUTH. Their is a love which only the world knows , AND we must not have that love . That love is of the world , and while it may do good works it will in no way REJIOICE in TRUTH . It will behave itself unseemingly . No matter how much it feeds the poor , its love is focused on ... and anchored in self . And while it can imitate the works , it will always point to darkness . Their is but one true love which is of GOD , and if a man has not that , he is still in darkness no matter how kind or caring he appears , no matter if even he rushes into a burning house to save a child, IT Will profit him nothing . Many are falling for a wrong love these days . THEY are seeing buddists , atheist , gays even , doing good works , coming together to help with the devastations of weather hit places YET no a peep about GOD , CHRIST , just a mention of how they love . BUT without Christ its impossible to know HIS LOVE. at most all it is , is DO not sinners even love those who love them . That is what we seeing . And any sinner who knows not Christ can love like that and the church is falling for this ruse . The next teachings that will increase will be , OH God must be at work in them too, for they do GOOD things . THAT will be a lie that will fast forward all right into a universal salvation concept . OH , and I would not be surprised IF it has not already began to be said in some circles of christanity . IN fact , it is , rome has hinted at it , so have others . We are witnessing the effects of a broken down system that is now REFORMING the truth to its own hearts desire and into a one universal mindset of salvation . MARK those words well THE LOVE we are called unto is this , LOVE CHRIST above everything then we know how to truly love the others . they can not understand it without God in them. they only have the fallen human nature to go by.
For they are gone up to Assyria, a wild ass alone by himself: Ephraim hath hired lovers.... hosea 8:9
the human mind has this ingrained idea that everything is for sale and can be bought, things that should never be sold or are not for sale. its apart of the nature of man. the new nature of God in us fixes that.
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Post by Giller on Oct 20, 2018 15:41:24 GMT -5
If only folks understood that love is not a concept that is emotion based . Rather its an entity for GOD IS LOVE . THEN its real simple to understand that any FEELING we might think is associated with love , IF that feeling contradicts any part of GOD , ITS FALSE . FOR GOD is love and love comes forth FROM HIM . And its evident, for love does not rejoice in inquity , BUT IN TRUTH. Their is a love which only the world knows , AND we must not have that love . That love is of the world , and while it may do good works it will in no way REJIOICE in TRUTH . It will behave itself unseemingly . No matter how much it feeds the poor , its love is focused on ... and anchored in self . And while it can imitate the works , it will always point to darkness . Their is but one true love which is of GOD , and if a man has not that , he is still in darkness no matter how kind or caring he appears , no matter if even he rushes into a burning house to save a child, IT Will profit him nothing . Many are falling for a wrong love these days . THEY are seeing buddists , atheist , gays even , doing good works , coming together to help with the devastations of weather hit places YET no a peep about GOD , CHRIST , just a mention of how they love . BUT without Christ its impossible to know HIS LOVE. at most all it is , is DO not sinners even love those who love them . That is what we seeing . And any sinner who knows not Christ can love like that and the church is falling for this ruse . The next teachings that will increase will be , OH God must be at work in them too, for they do GOOD things . THAT will be a lie that will fast forward all right into a universal salvation concept . OH , and I would not be surprised IF it has not already began to be said in some circles of christanity . IN fact , it is , rome has hinted at it , so have others . We are witnessing the effects of a broken down system that is now REFORMING the truth to its own hearts desire and into a one universal mindset of salvation . MARK those words well THE LOVE we are called unto is this , LOVE CHRIST above everything then we know how to truly love the others . You are right on the money about love brother.
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Post by Giller on Oct 20, 2018 20:41:23 GMT -5
I had once heard a preacher say love is not a feeling but an action.
But that is only a partial truth.
For here is a scripture to think about:
1Co 13:3 (3) And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
You can give all you have to feed the poor, and yet have not charity, for God looks at the motives.
Heb 4:12 (12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
So love is not just an action, but a rightly motivated action, but it goes much deeper than this.
1Jn 5:2-3 (2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Now these commandments are not just speaking of the moral law of God, but also to whatever he commands us to do, even as individuals.
Now there are some who will say, well I keep the moral law or keep this feast day or that feast day, and their focus is on firstly wrongly applying the word, but also many think there to be merits in trying to keep the commandments in their own might, power and strength.
And because they try in and of themselves to keep his commands in some form, that this automatically means that they love God, but that itself is not the love of God.
The word keep here is not just referring to making a decision to obey (though it does include this) , but it rather is a type of keeping to were you are truly becoming it, in the sense that you are truly being conformed to Christ's image, therefore Christ being able to live through you.
It is a type of keeping to were you are becoming, and not to were you are trying to become.
It is totally giving yourself away to the word, to were you are allowing God to conform you to his image and likeness, and it is in this surrender that you can truly become a keeper of the word.
Gal 2:20 (20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
It is surrendering ourselves completely over to God, to were Christ can live trough us.
And if Christ is living through us, who is living through us?
God is.
And what does the bible say?
Well it is what Frienduff said, which goes with this scripture:
1Jn 4:8 (8) He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
In my next post I will cover a bit on the aspect of feelings and love.
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