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Post by Giller on Feb 25, 2019 13:57:47 GMT -5
I looked up the Greek word, for saved , in the 1 peter passage, and this is what I got:
(Strong's concordance)
(G4982
σώζω
sōzō
sode'-zo
From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.
Total KJV occurrences: 110)
Hmmm, a lot of interesting meanings.
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2019 14:16:55 GMT -5
I looked up the Greek word, for saved , in the 1 peter passage, and this is what I got: (Strong's concordance) (G4982 σώζω sōzō sode'-zo From a primary word σῶς sōs̄ (contraction for the obsolete σάος saos, “safe”); to save, that is, deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole. Total KJV occurrences: 110) Hmmm, a lot of interesting meanings.
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Post by John on Feb 25, 2019 14:54:15 GMT -5
I looked up the meaning of righteous in the Greek, and it means equity of character, specifically (Christian) justification. righteousness. It is clearly stating the most devoted are scarcely saved. There is no other way to take it. It isn't speaking of the half in, half out crowd.
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Post by frienduff on Feb 25, 2019 23:28:31 GMT -5
I looked up the meaning of righteous in the Greek, and it means equity of character, specifically (Christian) justification. righteousness. It is clearly stating the most devoted are scarcely saved. There is no other way to take it. It isn't speaking of the half in, half out crowd.
All we need to do is just look at the message to the seven churches . Does God sound like the lukewarm will be saved , or any other , IF THEY REPENT NOT . You right about peter . You right . Look at the entire writing , just look at the text of how its written .
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:14:31 GMT -5
1Pe 4:17-18
(17) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
(18) And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
We have to remember and not ignore what it says here, it is talking about judgment beginning in the house of God, and the scarcely saved mentioned in this.
And in reality we all get chastised of the Lord now and again, and the judgment of God is dealing with sin here, not with the scarcely being persecuted, for they are not facing the judgment of God, as a result of them doing good, thus resulting in them facing persecution.
Were in the word of God is persecution and the judgment of God put together?
Were is persecution for righteousness sake associated with the judgment of God in the bible?
And what about those who are saved as of by fire?
The bible mentions how he is married to the backslider, but if they continue in this way, he will give them a spiritual bill of divorcement.
To one church, he gave them space to repent, but if they did not repent within that space, not doubt they would have lost their salvation.
We have to believe the whole council of the word, not just the parts we like.
Yes the righteous must mortify the deeds of the flesh, yes we must strive for perfection, yes we must continue in his love, but he also shows that he gave that church a space to repent whatever that space is, God knows, but nevertheless they must repent.
Of course they cannot continue in their sin, but he also gives a space to repent, and I will leave that at that.
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by 2fw8212a on Feb 26, 2019 11:30:29 GMT -5
Giller "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven..." - Matthew 5:19
"but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of
the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20
"...Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Luke 12:1
"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." - James 2:12
I do not think frienduff is being self righteous, or acting as a Pharisee.
Blessings!
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:32:18 GMT -5
Giller "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven..." - Matthew 5:19
"but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of
the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20
"...Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Luke 12:1
"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." - James 2:12
I do not think frienduff is being self righteous, or acting as a Pharisee.
Blessings! Sorry but that particular message was not meant to be seen, is was meant between me and Frienduff, in a personal message, I just mistakenly put it in the wrong place. |
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:33:30 GMT -5
Giller "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven..." - Matthew 5:19
"but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19
"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of
the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:20
"...Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." - Luke 12:1
"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." - James 2:12
I do not think frienduff is being self righteous, or acting as a Pharisee.
Blessings! By the way i agree with all the verses you quoted, and serving the Lord is a very serious thing. |
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 11:36:06 GMT -5
It seems like people think I am saying that you can remain lukewarn and not repent and make it to heaven, I am not saying that at all.
And there is a fine line to being saved as by fire, and God knows what that fine line is.
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Post by 2fw8212a on Feb 26, 2019 11:38:33 GMT -5
By the way i agree with all the verses you quoted, and serving the Lord is a very serious thing.
"...The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat.
Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do,
but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do." - Matthew 23:2-3
Again, I do not think frienduff is acting like a Pharisee.Sorry but that particular message was not meant to be seen...
Blessings in Jesus' name! |
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Post by 2fw8212a on Feb 26, 2019 11:51:59 GMT -5
And there is a fine line to being saved as by fire, and God knows what that fine line is.
Sanctification is a process and we are instructed to grow in it and for our own benefit.
Those who are still struggling with a particular weakness must seek to be healed from that, for their own benefit.
And improving will make their testimony bring more glory to God.
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may
see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16
But if they do not attain the next level, they will not be able to say they have achieved it as it would make them hypocritical (just as a Pharisee).
"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." - James 2:12
Blessings! |
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 12:17:08 GMT -5
Letters: "Some people do struggle in their walk and fall sometimes, it does not mean they are not saved."
Amen to this !!!
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Post by Giller on Feb 26, 2019 12:24:29 GMT -5
Now when we become born again, there is a change that happens right away, but that does not mean everything has changed in our lives, in the sense that we are walking perfectly in the will of God, for we need to grow, and there are some who struggle a lot in their walk with God but still love the Lord, now how far can one go in backsliding before God gives them a bill of divorcement? God knows, but no Christian should want to backslide.
See God is the judge, and knows the hearts, and knows were a person is at, and there is not enough teaching on how to properly walk by faith, and many frustrate the grace of God, because of not knowing how to properly walk by faith, and in fact, I think we all do at times.
It is a gospel of surrender, giving ourselves over to the gospel, and not through self effort, self empowerment, but ceasing form our own works, and entering into the works of Christ.
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